Why are there so many denominations?

[Waggles]

17 hours ago, Bawb said:

What does the name Jesus mean in Greek? In Greek, "Iesous" literally translated means "Hail Zeus". Straight from ancient Greek Mythology. PAGAN! Not my Messiah!

More red herrings.

Anything to avoid answering the question as to why your "denomination" or faith or doctrine is not the same as what is written in the New Testament.

Mine is.

Edited November 10, 2021 by Waggles

[Bawb]

1 hour ago, Waggles said:

More red herrings.

Anything to avoid answering the question as to why your "denomination" or faith or doctrine is not the same as what is written in the New Testament.

Mine is.

You asked questions and I answered them.

My faith IS not only the same as what was written in the not just the "New Testament" but also the WHOLE BIBLE! For I believe THE WHOLE BIBLE is true. Why do you think YHWH gave us the WHOLE Bible? It wasn't just so you could ignore the Writings because you think they don't pertain to you. I find it troubling you profess to "follow Yeshua" but don't believe God DOES NOT change His mind, His Word or His Instructions. For if He changed His mind, do you not realize that your very salvation is in jeopardy? What if He changed His mind about saving your soul?

The True and Pure "Way" that is in the Bible was hijacked by the Romans and what you call the "church". The original followers of Messiah did not go to "Churches", they went on SABBATH to synagogues, or met in homes of the Believers as stated MANY times in the Bible. The Roman Pagan Catholic or Universal "Church" infested the original, true belief with a lot of vile paganism and antisemitism. They were the ones accusing the original Gentile and Hebrew followers of Yeshua of "Judahizing" because they obeyed YHWH's instructions and refused to adopt the Romans vile pagan practices. They were also persecuted and forced by threat of death to adhere to the vile practices of the Roman "church". Who do you think killed all of the Apostles except John? And who imprisoned John? The Romans who were creating "the church"...

On the other hand you claim to believe that you only need to adhere to a belief that is based on a a small sliver of the Bible taken out of context. And even of this small sliver of YHWH's TRUE WORD, you believe a skewed  man-made religious doctrine based on a lot of dogma, misconceptions and twisted scriptures you have been fed by hirelings. This is TOTALLY NOT the belief of the original Apostles or the followers of the Messiah that you think is what YOU believe.

You believe yourself to be right. I believe myself to be right. And herein lies an impasse. Just know that I WILL NOT EVER be convinced what you state is the truth, for you believe only half of what YHWH's Word is true. To me that is a half truth. And a half truth is a whole lie.

I would rather not respond to you any further, for your ears are obviously closed and scales are covering your eyes to see to accepting the truth that is clearly written.

Shalom Brother. I love you and pray you see the light.

As in Acts 13:51, I will wipe the dust of my feet against you...

[Waggles]

Acts 13:43  Now when the synagogue broke up, many of the Jews and of the devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas; who, speaking to them, urged them to continue in the grace of God. 
44  And the coming sabbath almost the whole city was gathered to hear the word of God. 
45  But seeing the crowds the Jews were filled with jealousy, and contradicted the things spoken by Paul, and blasphemed. 
46  And Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first be spoken to you. But since ye thrust it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, lo, we turn to the nations. 
47  For so hath the Lord commanded us, I have set thee for a light of nations, That thou be for salvation unto the uttermost of the earth. 

[Waggles]

Acts 14:1  And it came to pass in Iconium that they entered together into the synagogue of the Jews, and so spoke that a great multitude both of Jews and of Greeks believed. 
2  But the Jews that were disobedient stirred up the souls of the nations, and made them evil affected against the brethren. 
3  Long time therefore they tarried there being bold in the Lord, who witnessed unto the word of his grace, granting signs and wonders to be done by their hands. 
4  But the multitude of the city was divided; and some were with the Jews, and some with the apostles. 
5  And when an onset was made both of the nations and of the Jews with their rulers, to treat them shamefully and stone them, 
6  they became aware of it, and fled unto the cities of Lycaonia, Lystra and Derbē, and the region around: 
7  and there they were preaching the gospel. 

[Waggles]

11 hours ago, Bawb said:

The original followers of Messiah

The original followers of the Messiah wrote under inspiration the scriptures that are the New Testament of Jesus Christ. 

The Bible was not hijacked by the Romans and is the word of God ... time for you to believe all of it, not just what you want out of it.

[Michael37]

11 hours ago, Bawb said:

Who do you think killed all of the Apostles except John? And who imprisoned John? The Romans who were creating "the church"...

Unwittingly, Political Rome fanned the fires of Christian fellowship, with the example of true Christians willing to be martyred for their faith bringing a sharp focus on what exactly they were dying for.

Quote from:

Proto-orthodox Christianity - Wikipedia

 According to Bauer, the early Egyptian churches were largely Gnostic, the 2nd-century churches in Asia Minor were largely Marcionist, and so on. But because the church in the city of Rome was "proto-orthodox" (in Ehrman's terms), Bauer contended they had strategic advantages over all other sects because of their proximity to the Roman Empire's centre of power.^[4]: 13:43 As the Roman political and cultural elite converted to the locally held form of Christianity, they started exercising their authority and resources to influence the theology of other communities throughout the Roman Empire, sometimes by force. Bauer cites the First Epistle of Clement as an early example of the bishop of Rome interfering with the church of Corinth to impose its own proto-orthodox doctrine of apostolic succession, and to favour a certain group of local church leaders over another.^[4]: 15:48

[Bawb]

To the original author of this post (Baltika), I would like to propose a more loving, nonetheless very accurate answer I received from The Seed of Abraham's-Tom Bradford:

"If you look in Acts 19 with what was happening in the Synagogue of Ephasis, We see is what today we might call a "church split" yet when we see this from God's
perspective this demonstrates one of the God Principles (the principle of division election and separation). Sometimes the YHWH determines to divide us into groups to elect the group that he chooses to follow him for a certain divine purpose and separates them us from everyone else.
  For some, it can be difficult and gut-wrenching as it is sometimes there's no choice but to leave a congregation that you have been part of and go elsewhere. Perhaps it happens because you've learned too much to continue identifying yourself with a group that you know is stubbornly wrong minded and is no longer in harmony with Yeshua. Other times it isn't so much about right and wrong as it is about following the YHWH's plan for your life. Sadly it can also be over the most petty or selfish things and the split and separation reflects nothing but human failure yet when it's done for the right reasons and seems to be God directed."
  In the "Old Testament", great examples of the principle of division election and separation would be Abraham, Isaac and of course Jacob.

[Mike Mclees]

On 11/11/2021 at 8:17 AM, Bawb said:

To the original author of this post (Baltika), I would like to propose a more loving, nonetheless very accurate answer I received from The Seed of Abraham's-Tom Bradford:

"If you look in Acts 19 with what was happening in the Synagogue of Ephasis, We see is what today we might call a "church split" yet when we see this from God's
perspective this demonstrates one of the God Principles (the principle of division election and separation). Sometimes the YHWH determines to divide us into groups to elect the group that he chooses to follow him for a certain divine purpose and separates them us from everyone else.
  For some, it can be difficult and gut-wrenching as it is sometimes there's no choice but to leave a congregation that you have been part of and go elsewhere. Perhaps it happens because you've learned too much to continue identifying yourself with a group that you know is stubbornly wrong minded and is no longer in harmony with Yeshua. Other times it isn't so much about right and wrong as it is about following the YHWH's plan for your life. Sadly it can also be over the most petty or selfish things and the split and separation reflects nothing but human failure yet when it's done for the right reasons and seems to be God directed."
  In the "Old Testament", great examples of the principle of division election and separation would be Abraham, Isaac and of course Jacob.

Bawd Said the principles of Division came from Abraham Isaac and Jacob. Abraham. was the Father of Isaac and Jacob. They were not likely representors of division, among the Jews. However there were divisions of sorts later among the Jews  

[Mike Mclees]

43 minutes ago, Mike Mclees said:

Bawd Said the principles of Division came from Abraham Isaac and Jacob. Abraham. was the Father of Isaac and Jacob. They were not likely representors of division, among the Jews. However there were divisions of sorts later among the Jews.   First was at Mt Sinai when they made a Golden calf as an idle to worship it instead of God They were killed. 

2nd When time came to cross the river Jordan to take the Land certain ones decided to settle where they were. and did not enter the Promised Land.

3rd was the Great Schism. The church of the east did not except The Bishops of Rome t rule all the East and the west as the whole church.

 

Edited November 12, 2021 by Mike Mclees

[MrBear]

You could almost argue the division went as far back as Babel 

The golden calf incident was just the Jews going back to the pagan religious practices they learned in egypt

the patriarchs had the law way beforehand 

cain and able offered sacrifices and to offer sacrifices you need a high priest ( Adam) he was the eldest and you needed an altar

Abraham also built altars - they had the law

The big deal about the tablets were because after living in goshen for so long they forgot gods law they picked up a lot of bad habits from the Egyptian practices of paganism

God had to actually put the law in writing and remind them time and time again not to transgress ( it did little good)

So when Moses left they just went back to their “ default” practices

as far as denominations go it’s the enemy- divide and conquer - there are so many these days that keep us arguing about Trinitaryism,modelism,Torah, that the enemy can sneak in and pull the carpet from under our feet Martin luther rips books out of the Bible ( he was no prophet) ,The Catholics changed doctrine, Even the Jewish Pharisees ripped scripture out of the  Septuagint to hide the prophets words about Jesus ( they rewrote the Septuagint 3 times)

the old prophets foretold of false prophets distorting Gods word?

For power ( Catholics) , For shame ( Pharisees), for belief of man ( Luther)

the word has been trampled on and the enemy succeeded in division, We brothers and sisters must follow our hearts, Let our comforter guide us to the truth, Because what a glorious day it will be when our father comes and sets things Straight ?

SHALOM❤️

Edited November 12, 2021 by MrBear