The test of the wise virgins is right now, but the test of the foolish is later.

[R. Hartono]

Some people claim that christians must go into the great tribulation to be tested. And there will be no pre-tribulation rapture.

They say :

"Its unwise to be selfish, expecting to be raptured, not willing to be tested".

"All christians must go to the great tribulation to proof their loyalty".

"No no, there will be no rapture, we must all suffer with this world". A slave is not greater than the master.

"Whoa whoa, we christians must be brave to face persecution in the great tribulation, if we must die so be it". etc. etc.

IN FACT OUR BIBLE SAYS : 2 Timothy 3:12 In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. 1 Peter 1:6 ... though NOW for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. ⁷ These have come so that the proven genuineness of your faith—of greater worth than gold.

So both Paul and Peter speak about persecution since 2000 years ago, not in the great tribulation. The devil accuse saints day and night in front of the Throne and torture their bodies like it did to Job and i guess those people never suffer this grief or have any scar in their bodies like the devil tortured Job.

For christians who never feel any persecution NOW and feel necessary to be tested in the great tribulation they need to ask do they live a godly life in Christ while they are swaying their foot under the bar stool. As Peter had said "NOW..had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials".

Did God's warning about the foolish virgins shall be left, is for no good to us ? And that it is the worst time in the history of mankind because all wars combined together in mankind history may not match the destruction of the horrors that will be unleashed by the 7 seals, 7 trumpets and 7 vials. Mankind has seen nothing yet comparable to this annihilation. While the Luciferian NWO will snatch the opportunity to rule and enslave the world with their agenda which is called the great reset, all lands, water, seeds, trees, fish, minerals etc. will be confiscated from personal belonging (UN Agenda21)

Thats why Jesus said the foolish virgins left behind shall scream "Lord Loord", But the Bridegroom said : ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’, the foolish virgins were rebuked and rejected as they failed the test but demand the oil from the wise which shows that they believe their existence on Sunday church and relation with the christians can give them salvation.

The wise virgins are facing the test now but the foolish virgins will face the hour of trial LATER, together with the inhabitants  of the world : Rev 3:10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.

God wants us to pray and be strong enough to the tests, the wise virgins are under the test now, like the Hebrew being pushed to the edge of the Red Sea with no way to escape and its not a promising rose garden. Many have died as martyrs already that God will revenge them all, after the Holy Spirit duty is over and is removed with the church taken as Harvest.

...And pray that you might be strong enough to escape these COMING HORRORS and stand before the Son of Man." Luke 21:34-36.

The wise virgins with Oil escaped by the Bridegroom but the foolish will be married to the Frankenstein antichrist who will recover from his deadly wound. And that will be her test with the rest of the world.

 

 

Edited June 10, 2023 by R. Hartono

[DeighAnn]

On 9/24/2021 at 12:32 AM, R. Hartono said:

Some people claim that christians must go into the great tribulation to be tested. And there will be no pre-tribulation rapture.

They say :

"Its unwise to be selfish, expecting to be raptured, not willing to be tested".

"All christians must go to the great tribulation to proof their loyalty".

"No no, there will be no rapture, we must all suffer with this world".

"Whoa whoa, we christians must be brave to face persecution in the great tribulation, if we must die so be it". etc. etc.

IN FACT OUR BIBLE SAYS : 2 Timothy 3:12 In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. 1 Peter 1:6 ... though NOW for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. ⁷ These have come so that the proven genuineness of your faith—of greater worth than gold.

So both Paul and Peter speak about persecution since 2000 years ago, not in the great tribulation. The devil accuse saints day and night in front of the Throne and torture their bodies like it did to Job and i am sure those people never suffer this grief or have any scar in their bodies.

For christians who never feel any persecution NOW and feel necessary to be tested in the great tribulation they need to ask do they live a godly life in Christ while they are swaying their foot under the bar stool. As Peter had said "NOW..had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials".

Did God's warning about the foolish virgins shall be left, is for no good to us ? And that it is the worst time in the history of mankind because all wars combined together in mankind history may not match the destruction of the horrors that will be unleashed by the 7 seals, 7 trumpets and 7 vials. Mankind has seen nothing yet comparable to this annihilation. While the Luciferian NWO will snatch the opportunity to rule and enslave the world with their agenda which is called the great reset, all lands, water, seeds, trees, fish, minerals will be confiscated from personal belonging.

Thats why Jesus said the foolish virgins left behind shall scream "Lord Loord", But the Bridegroom said : ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’, the foolish virgins were rebuked and rejected as they failed the test but demand the oil from the wise which shows that they believe their existence on Sunday church and relation with the christians can give them salvation.

The wise virgins are facing the test now but the foolish virgins will face the hour of trial LATER, together with the inhabitants  of the world : Rev 3:10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.

God wants us to pray and be strong enough to the tests, the wise virgins are under the test now, like the Hebrew being pushed to the edge of the Red Sea with no way to escape and its not a promising rose garden. Many have died as martyrs already that God will revenge them all, after the Holy Spirit duty is over and is removed with the church taken as Harvest.

...And pray that you might be strong enough to escape these COMING HORRORS and stand before the Son of Man." Luke 21:34-36.

The wise virgins strong enough are taken/escaped by the Bridegroom but the foolish will be married to the Frankenstein antichrist who will recover from his deadly wound.

Some people claim that christians must go into the great tribulation to be tested. And there will be no pre-tribulation rapture.

They say :

"Its unwise to be selfish, expecting to be raptured, not willing to be tested".

"All christians must go to the great tribulation to proof their loyalty".

"No no, there will be no rapture, we must all suffer with this world".

"Whoa whoa, we christians must be brave to face persecution in the great tribulation, if we must die so be it". etc. etc.


DID YOU EVER READ THIS?  

James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

James 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

James 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

James 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

James 1:19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:

James 1:20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

James 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

James 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:


 

Hebrews 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Hebrews 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

Hebrews 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Hebrews 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

 

Matthew 26:40 And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?

Matthew 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.


 

Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Matthew 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Matthew 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.




 

John 17:13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

John 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

John 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

John 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

John 17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

 

 

2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 Thessalonians 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

etc. etc. etc.  Every thing posted is in direct opposition to WHAT IS WRITTEN.  HOW do you explain that?





 

2 Timothy 3:10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

2Timothy 3:11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.

2Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

2Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

2Timothy 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

2Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

2Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2Timothy 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.



Did God's warning about the foolish virgins shall be left, is for no good to us ? And that it is the worst time in the history of mankind because all wars combined together in mankind history may not match the destruction of the horrors that will be unleashed by the 7 seals, 7 trumpets and 7 vials. Mankind has seen nothing yet comparable to this annihilation. While the Luciferian NWO will snatch the opportunity to rule and enslave the world with their agenda which is called the great reset, all lands, water, seeds, trees, fish, minerals will be confiscated from personal belonging.
 

1Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

1Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

1Thessalonians 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

1Thessalonians 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

1Thessalonians 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

1Thessalonians 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

1Thessalonians 5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

1Thessalonians 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

1Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

1Thessalonians 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

1Thessalonians 5:11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

1Thessalonians 5:12 And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;

1Thessalonians 5:13 And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.


 

Daniel 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Daniel 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.

Daniel 11:33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

Daniel 11:34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.

Daniel 11:35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end because it is yet for a time appointed.

 

THE DECEIVER IS COMING!!!!!!!!!!!

Matthew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Matthew 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

Matthew 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Matthew 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Matthew 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

Matthew 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Matthew 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Matthew 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Matthew 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Matthew 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

Matthew 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

Matthew 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Matthew 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.

Matthew 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Matthew 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

Matthew 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Matthew 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,  (ONE SHALL BE TAKEN)

Matthew 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
(ONE SHALL BE TAKEN)

Matthew 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Matthew 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Matthew 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
(ONE SHALL BE TAKEN)

Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Matthew 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

Matthew 24:46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.  (ONE SHALL BE LEFT)

Matthew 24:47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

Matthew 24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; (ONE SHALL BE TAKEN)

Matthew 24:49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; (ONE SHALL BE TAKEN)

Matthew 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

Matthew 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.



WHY WOULD ANGELS NEED THEIR LAMPS TO STAY LIT IF THEY WEREN'T GOING TO BE HERE IN THE DARKNESS?

Matthew 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
Matthew 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.

Matthew 25:3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:

Matthew 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

Matthew 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

Matthew 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.


CHRIST IS COMING!!!!  HE IS ON HIS WAY!!!!!  BUT WHAT DID HE TELL US???  DO NOT BE DECEIVED  (ONE SHALL BE TAKEN)  IF THEY SAY LO THERE IS CHRIST BELIEVE THEM NOT (ONE SHALL BE TAKEN)  IF THEY SAY HE IS OUT IN THE DESERT BELIEVE THEM NOT (ONE SHALL BE TAKEN)  


 

Matthew 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.  CAUSE GREAT TRIBULATION HAS COME UPON THE WORLD

Matthew 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. SHOULD HAVE PREPARED BY PUTTING ON THE GOSPEL ARMOR BEFORE IT WAS TOO LATE  (ONE SHALL BE TAKEN)

Matthew 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
THE WISE DO NOT HAVE TO GO TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST BECAUSE THEY HAVE FAITH IN THE PROMISES AND POWER OF GOD.    THEY HAVE ON THE GOSPEL ARMOR.  THEY HAVE OIL IN THEIR LAMP.  THEY WILL NOT GO TO BUY AND SELL.  THEY ARE WATCHING THE GREAT FALLING AWAY.  THEY ARE WAITING FOR THE MAN OF SIN TO BE REVEALED.  THEY KNOW THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION SHALL BE STANDING WHERE HE OUGHT NOT AND THAT THE 2 WITNESSES ARE GOING TO BE KILLED.  THEY KNOW THOSE 2  WILL BE LYING IN THE STREET FOR 3 AND 1/2 DAYS.  THEY KNOW CHRIST IS COMING AND SATAN WILL BE DESTROYED BY HIS BRIGHTNESS.  THEY KNOW ALL THAT MUST TAKE PLACE BEFORE WE ARE GATHERED TO GOD.  THEY KNOW THAT TO RETURN CHRIST MUST COME BACK

Matthew 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

THE FOOLISH VIRGINS GO TO BUY AND SURE ENOUGH THEY HEAR 'PEACE AND SAFETY' AND SEE THE SUDDEN DESTRUCTION COMING.  THEY HAVE BEEN TAKEN IN BY DECEPTION.  THEY HAVE LISTENED TO THE FALSE PROPHET.  THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD THEY WILL BE FLYING AWAY AND TAKEN IN BY THAT DECEPTION.  

ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS READ THE WORDS OF GOD AS THEY ARE WRITTEN AND THEY COULD HAVE SEEN FOR THEMSELVES.  BUT NOW IT IS TOO LATE.  CHRIST HAS RETURNED BUT THEY HAVE BEEN MARKED.  THE DOOR IS SHUT FOR THOSE FOOLISH AND NOW NON VIRGINS HAVING BEEN UNFAITHFUL TO THE LORD.  

 

Matthew 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

Matthew 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

ALL THE VIRGINS WERE THERE WHEN 

'BUYING AND SELLING' AND IT WASN'T UNTIL AFTER IT WAS POSSIBLE TO BUY AND SELL DID CHRIST RETURN.  THAT IS WHY WE ARE TO 'WATCH' AND ENDURE TO THE END. 


ANY VERSES THAT SAY 'ENDURE TO THE ALMOST END?  NO.   
 

Matthew 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Matthew 25:14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.

Matthew 25:15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.

Matthew 25:16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.

Matthew 25:17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.

Matthew 25:18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.

Matthew 25:19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.

Matthew 25:20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.

Matthew 25:21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

Matthew 25:22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.

Matthew 25:23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

Matthew 25:24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:

Matthew 25:25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.

Matthew 25:26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:

Matthew 25:27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

Matthew 25:28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

Matthew 25:29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

Matthew 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory

THE SON IS RETURNING TO SIT UPON THE THRONE IN HIS GLORY.  

 

Matthew 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Matthew 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, INHERIT THE KINGDOM PREPARED FOR YOU FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.  

Matthew 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

Matthew 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Matthew 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

Matthew 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

Matthew 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Matthew 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:


Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Amos 8:12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

Matthew 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not

Matthew 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

Matthew 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

 

..And pray that you might be strong enough to escape these COMING HORRORS and stand before the Son of Man." Luke 21:34-36.

The wise virgins strong enough are taken/escaped by the Bridegroom but the foolish will be married to the Frankenstein antichrist who will recover from his deadly wound.

where do you get that stuff?  

 

Luke 21:34  Take heed now to  yourselves lest ever be burdened of you the hearts with dissipation and drunkenness and cares of life and would come upon you suddenly the day that as a snare it will come for upon all those sitting upon the face of all the earth 


I have followed the instructions in the words of God and HE is my strength and refuge and it is with HIS knowledge and wisdom I pray and know I will escape all these things WHILE I REMAIN RIGHT HERE ON EARTH and when Christ returns to sit upon His throne in glory I will have endured ALL THINGS 

Watch also at every season praying that you may have strength to escape these things all that are about to come to pass and to stand before the Son of Man



if the Lord can go through all He went through then most certainly I can stand a bit of persecution that will be 

GREAT as in 

THE WIDEST SENSE 
 

Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Hebrews 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

Hebrews 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

Hebrews 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

Hebrews 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

Hebrews 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

 

[WilliamL]

On 9/24/2021 at 1:32 AM, R. Hartono said:

Did God's warning about the foolish virgins shall be left, is for no good to us ? And that it is the worst time in the history of mankind because all wars combined together in mankind history may not match the destruction of the horrors that will be unleashed by the 7 seals, 7 trumpets and 7 vials. Mankind has seen nothing yet comparable to this annihilation.

As with so many pre-tribbers, you make the presumptive mistake of presuming that "the 7 seals, 7 trumpets and 7 vials" are all part of the Great Tribulation. But nothing in the Bible says any such thing.

Rev. 7:14 tells us about those "who [have] come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." This will occur (as the sequence of Revelation 6-8ff. shows) AFTER the first 6 Seals, but BEFORE the Trumpets and Bowls. Therefore, your presumption is incorrect. The first 6 Seals correspond precisely to the events of Matthew 24, and constitute the period of the Great Tribulation. The Wrath of God encompasses the Trumpets and Bowls, an entirely different thing that the GT.

Suggested reading:

15. Matthew 24:4-31 Is a Two-Part Prophecy

Explains why Matt. 24:4-14 and Matt. 24:25-31 are two separate but closely related prophecies.

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/1060-matthew-244-31-is-a-two-part-prophecy/

[R. Hartono]

4 hours ago, WilliamL said:

As with so many pre-tribbers, you make the presumptive mistake of presuming that "the 7 seals, 7 trumpets and 7 vials" are all part of the Great Tribulation. But nothing in the Bible says any such thing.

Rev. 7:14 tells us about those "who [have] come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." This will occur (as the sequence of Revelation 6-8ff. shows) AFTER the first 6 Seals, but BEFORE the Trumpets and Bowls. Therefore, your presumption is incorrect. The first 6 Seals correspond precisely to the events of Matthew 24, and constitute the period of the Great Tribulation. The Wrath of God encompasses the Trumpets and Bowls, an entirely different thing that the GT.

Suggested reading:

15. Matthew 24:4-31 Is a Two-Part Prophecy

Explains why Matt. 24:4-14 and Matt. 24:25-31 are two separate but closely related prophecies.

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/1060-matthew-244-31-is-a-two-part-prophecy/

Imho the 1st seal of antichrist will be opened after Holy Spirit is taken back to heaven with the church.

[DeighAnn]

On 9/26/2021 at 4:52 PM, R. Hartono said:

Imho the 1st seal of antichrist will be opened after Holy Spirit is taken back to heaven with the church.

1st, you need to go fix that typo somehow

then

Please explain 1) how the TWO WITNESSESS WILL BE PERFORMING  MIRACLES and 2) HOW God is going to justify sending them to be killed all WHILE taking away the Holy Spirit by taking EVERY LIVING SOUL ON EARTH who could have helped them during THE TRIBULATION away?

How WOULD ANY of that accomplish ANYTHING God wants?

How does that fit with any of Gods words?  



Matthew 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

Matthew 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

Matthew 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT WOLVES DO TO SHEEP?

Matthew 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

Matthew 10:18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

Matthew 10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

Matthew 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Matthew 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

DO YOU KNOW WHO DEATH IS?

Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Matthew 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Wouldn't THIS have to READ
BUT HE THAT ENDURETH TO JUST BEFORE THE END....


Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Matthew 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

 

[R. Hartono]

On 10/2/2021 at 11:50 PM, DeighAnn said:

1st, you need to go fix that typo somehow

then

Please explain 1) how the TWO WITNESSESS WILL BE PERFORMING  MIRACLES and 2) HOW God is going to justify sending them to be killed all WHILE taking away the Holy Spirit by taking EVERY LIVING SOUL ON EARTH who could have helped them during THE TRIBULATION away?

How WOULD ANY of that accomplish ANYTHING God wants?

How does that fit with any of Gods words?  



Matthew 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

Matthew 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

Matthew 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT WOLVES DO TO SHEEP?

Matthew 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

Matthew 10:18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

Matthew 10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

Matthew 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Matthew 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

DO YOU KNOW WHO DEATH IS?

Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Matthew 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Wouldn't THIS have to READ
BUT HE THAT ENDURETH TO JUST BEFORE THE END....


Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Matthew 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

 

Many Christians hv been martyred since 2000 years ago because the test for the church is now, not in the great tribulation, its for Foolish virgins and the world 

[DeighAnn]

On 10/8/2021 at 4:16 PM, R. Hartono said:

Many Christians hv been martyred since 2000 years ago because the test for the church is now, not in the great tribulation, its for Foolish virgins and the world 

Maybe it is just our reading OF THE EVENTS TO TAKE PLACE that is different.

You are here for this correct?

Matthew 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

And this?

Matthew 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

And this?

Matthew 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

And this?

Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

And this?

Matthew 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

And this?

Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

And this?

Matthew 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

And this?

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

And this?

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

And this?

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

And this?

Matthew 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

And this?

Matthew 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

And this?

Matthew 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

And this?

Matthew 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

And this?

Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

BUT NOT THIS, AS THIS AS THIS IS WHEN 'GREAT TRIBULATION' BEGINS, CORRECT?

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
BECAUSE HERE COMES CHRIST

Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition  Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Matthew 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.  

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 24:31 And He shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

IT IS CHRISTS RETURN, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish, THAT WILL MAKE THEM WISH FOR MOUNTAINS TO FALL ON THEM TO HIDE THEM, THEIR SHAME UNBEARABLE, BECAUSE THEY WILL KNOW, AT THAT POINT, 

THAT THEY HAD NOT

the love of the truth,

that they might be saved.

They had not FAITH in the power and promises of God.  They didn't put on the gospel armor to KNOW that God had GIVEN THEM all they needed to escape the hour of temptation by KNOWING what the TRUTH WAS that was coming upon the whole earth.  A person can not be tempted to do anything if they KNOW that doing whatever it is is only going to end horribly.  

Let's say I am planning on going hiking through a very narrow canyon with really steep and unclimbable sides BUT just before I leave I am INFORMED OF a huge storm that has begun raging on the other side that will without a doubt flood out my hiking trail and kill me.  DO I go?  No.  It isn't even tempting because I know it means sure death.  I have escaped that temptation.  

They also had not FAITH in Gods power and promises to have His wrath fall upon THEM while not touching US.  It is like when they were reading

Exodus 12:5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:  6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.  7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it. 8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. 9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof. 10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire. 11 And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD's passover. 12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD. 13 And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.

 

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie  12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

Because Gods Truth is TO WHOM MUCH IS GIVEN, MUCH IS EXPECTED.  

What HAVE WE, this final generation, BEEN GIVEN???

We all have the words of God in our very own language and in our homes and in our hands. 
 
We have all 'THE GIFTS' that God has given to those who have come before us 
1.  Hebrew words and definitions EASILY found
2.  Greek words and definitions same
3.  Concordances with all the words written easy to find
4.  Figures of speech and explanations
5.  Computers linking whomsoever would
6.  Information at speeds no one has ever seen
7.  Communing with the entire earth all at once if wished

We have all the words written by man to help us figure out what fits and what doesn't.

We are more prepared for 'deception' than anyone else has ever been and that has taken place in the last 10 to 15 years.  Never has an 'army' been more prepared for a spiritual war than those who are here now. 

We have no need to be 'taken' out and every reason to stay.  

If we go
We learn nothing about anything THAT WOULD HELP DURING THE MILLENNIUM, when we are to be PRIESTS
We learn nothing about ourselves and what we have learned and what we have not
We do not pick up our crosses and follow Christs example and WHO does He say IS WORTHY?  
We are not there for the HOLY SPIRIT TO SPEAK THROUGH.
We are not available to help anyone who may be searching when there is a complete famine for Gods words when they are needed the most.  
We are not there to lay down our lives, to learn obedience, to do good works...

If we stay
when Christ returns not only does He know who we really are but so do we.  
Every word written is to be learned AND knowing there will be a test, our learning is more important.
We can be soldiers for Christ
The Holy Spirit will be able to speak through us

And when Christ does return, there will be a WELCOMING PARTY WAITING FOR HIM watching His Glorious return.  There will be those who endured to the end simply for THE LOVE OF GOD.  There will be those who loved God enough to lay down their lives JUST AS THEY HAVE DONE IN EVERY SINGLE GENERATION up until now.  

If we stay
God will remain UNCHANGING 
Not a respecter of persons
Just

IF THERE WAS A SINGLE VERSE THAT DID NOT FIT, I WOULD SAY, LET US SEARCH UNTIL WE HAVE RIGHTLY DIVIDED ALL OF GODS WORDS.  IF CHRIST HAD EVEN MENTIONED IT ONE TIME.  IF THE OLD TEST HAD MENTIONED IT ONE TIME.  IF THE CHURCH WAS NOT THE 'SCATTERED SHEEP' CHRIST CAME FOR, the BODY into which the gentiles would be 'grafted in' and the many other problems again....but what can be said?  
 

Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh

Matthew 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, THIS generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Matthew 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

Matthew 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Matthew 24:40 Then shall two be in the field the one shall be taken, and the other left.  

Matthew 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Matthew 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

be ye ALSO READY, cause at any time you could be meeting Christ 


WHAT DOES SATAN use to TEMPT us away from God?  GODS WORDS.  

 ...And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
And the woman said unto the serpent,
'We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden  but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.  And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die

LOOK WHAT HAPPENS when we ADD even a couple words to GODS WORDS or change them in anyway and say GOD HATH SAID and God didn't say it.  Gods words are pure and for us to ADD thoughts to them that are not written or to change the meanings of those that are or put together verses to make up new meanings...all most dangerous.  





Babylon - babel - confusion - not rightly dividing 

great whore is the confusion of the people of the worlds especially in end times when Satan here 

Satans influence IS MOSTLY DONE in AND through the words of God.   




 

How do you know whether one is wise or foolish if there is no test?  What sort of 'test' would a pre trib rap be?  Would one who had just uttered the correct words go and one who after years of faith has but a second of doubt stay?  How is that Just?  Why do we know so much of Christs return and nothing about a  pre trib rap like where do they go and what do they do and how is it Christ leaves where we are told He will stay, and who is given up to the devil and and and.....NO ANSWERS to this question but I can tell you what kind of fish is ok and what one isn't and how is that NOT A SIGN?  Let's just say it just took place and people disappeared from all over the world.  IF there is not a Christian here, how will anyone know what is happening?  Why it happened?  How many years would it take of reading the words of God (for the first time) to come to understanding where there is no one around to lead and guide?  Or would all those who 'never really believed' become the NEW CHRISTIANS?  What would that prove?  How hard would it be to deceive those who never had any faith in the first place.  

If indeed 'the church' is raptured then ALL of it must be,  as it is ONE.  Not just those who BELIEVE in the rapture because BELIEF IN THE RAPTURE DOESN'T SAVE, does it?  No it would have to be all.  That would mean that every soul who knows the words of God would be gone.  

Any way, thanks again for the walk.  Always appreciate the invite as I think I learn something new every time.  Hopefully so do you.  


 

[DeighAnn]

THE CONVERSATION THE VIRGINS ARE HAVING WHILE BUYING AND SELLING IS POSSIBLE

 (WHICH ONLY HAPPENS AFTER THE DEADLY WOUND HEALED AND WORSHIP TO IMAGE TO BUY AND SELL INSTITUTED)

IS WHAT DETERMINS WHETHER ONE IS  WISE OR FOOLISH AND/OR REMAINS A VIRGIN OR BECOMES WITH CHILD

MAKE A PRE TRIB RAP IMPOSSIBLE


So
the foolish one goes to buy and sell, losing the virginity by worshipping another and becoming with child, HAVING BEEN TAKEN before Christ returns and

the WISE one who had enough oil, didn't need to go buy and sell so didn't need to worship,  so remained a virgin and ENDURED to the end. 



And the word ENDURED is hupomenó: to stay behind, to await, endure
Definition: to stay behind, to await, endure
Usage: (a) I remain behind, (b) I stand my ground, show endurance, (c) I endure, bear up against, persevere.

Cognate: 5278 hypoménō – literally, remaining under (the load), bearing up (enduring); for the believer, this uniquely happens by God's power (cf. 1 Thes 3:5). See 5281 (hypomonē).

BIBLEHUB

[TheBlade]

Not sure why so many verses get posted. Lets back up. What is the great tribulation about? Yeah its not about the righteous its about Israel its about the unrighteous. Testing.. not about testing. No matter what anyone says you won't read about the "Church" sharing the gospel nope. Its two witnesses its an angel.. still no Church. They kill the two witnesses and the world rejoices. Again no Church what so ever. Its not a test its not about believers. Its was  and is about Israel. They still reject Yeshua as messiah. 

Side note song Jeremy Camp "One Desire.. be my one desire.. YES YES YES AMEN! 

Some of you forgive me don't know what your talking about "Woe to you who long for the day of the LORD! What will the day of the LORD be for you? It will be darkness and not light." "Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast."

The simple fact we don't know. We don't know pre mid post. It will happen but for me be very foolish to think my personal belief is the truth and your wrong. Look at the words Satan spoke in the beginning. Look how the Jewish people knew Christ was not the messiah. Here we are knowing whats really about to happen  Maybe live for Him in this moment He gave you and keep that oil full and be watching ready. 

[The Light]

On 9/26/2021 at 2:12 PM, WilliamL said:

As with so many pre-tribbers, you make the presumptive mistake of presuming that "the 7 seals, 7 trumpets and 7 vials" are all part of the Great Tribulation. But nothing in the Bible says any such thing.

You are 100% correct in that the 7 seals and the 7 trumpet and the 7 vials are not part of the Great Tribulation. However, there will be a pretribulation rapture. We see the Church is heaven in Rev 5 before the seals are opened. The Great Tribulation occurs during the 7th week of Daniel when God has turned His attention to His Chosen People.

On 9/26/2021 at 2:12 PM, WilliamL said:

Rev. 7:14 tells us about those "who [have] come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." This will occur (as the sequence of Revelation 6-8ff. shows) AFTER the first 6 Seals, but BEFORE the Trumpets and Bowls. Therefore, your presumption is incorrect. The first 6 Seals correspond precisely to the events of Matthew 24, and constitute the period of the Great Tribulation. The Wrath of God encompasses the Trumpets and Bowls, an entirely different thing that the GT.

Again you are correct in that the Great Tribulation does not occur during the wrath of God. What you are missing is the Church is already raptured pretrib before the 70th week of Daniel begins. That is why you don't see the Church mentioned after Rev 5, except of course in Rev 19 we see the Church at the wedding supper.

On 9/26/2021 at 2:12 PM, WilliamL said:

Suggested reading:

15. Matthew 24:4-31 Is a Two-Part Prophecy

Explains why Matt. 24:4-14 and Matt. 24:25-31 are two separate but closely related prophecies.

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/1060-matthew-244-31-is-a-two-part-prophecy/

Matthew 24 1:31 is written to the Jews. When the verse switch to learning the parable of the fig tree, that switches to the Gentiles. That's why Jesus says He is coming immediately after the tribulation and then says He is coming in a hour that we think not.