John 3:16-18

[Light Bearer]

If we profess Christ here is some information you should know. John 3:16-18 should be translated as follows.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that everyone believing INTO Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world that He might judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. The one believing INTO Him is not condemned; but the one not believing has already been condemned, for he has not believed INTO the name of the only begotten Son of God.

(Joh 3:16-18 LITV)

In respect to the Greek word εἰς translated INTO in the above text here is an excerpt From the BDAG lexicon which is basically a dictionary.

εἰς prep. w. acc. (Hom.+; s. the lit. under ἀνά, beg., also ATheimer, Die Präp. εἰς, ἐν, ἐκ im NT: Progr. z. 24. u. 29. Jahresbericht des niederösterr. Landes- Real- u. Obergymnasiums Horn 1896; 1901; AOepke, TW II 418–32), indicating motion into a thing or into its immediate vicinity or relation to something.

1 extension involving a goal or place, into, in, toward, to...

Though εἰς can be translated "in" it shouldn't be because contextually INTO fits with the rest of the Gospel, For He is the vine and we are the branches. Without Him we can do nothing. Jo 15:5

The prayer of a righteous man availeth much. So it is written...

Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

(Joh 17:20-23 KJV)

[bropro]

There are a lot of people that say they believe in Jesus. But unless the  life and actions of a person are affected by the one they say they believe in (Jesus), it is no more than an empty confession. The demons believe and tremble.

Gary

[Not me]

19 hours ago, Light Bearer said:

If we profess Christ here is some information you should know. John 3:16-18 should be translated as follows.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that everyone believing INTO Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world that He might judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. The one believing INTO Him is not condemned; but the one not believing has already been condemned, for he has not believed INTO the name of the only begotten Son of God.

(Joh 3:16-18 LITV)

In respect to the Greek word εἰς translated INTO in the above text here is an excerpt From the BDAG lexicon which is basically a dictionary.

εἰς prep. w. acc. (Hom.+; s. the lit. under ἀνά, beg., also ATheimer, Die Präp. εἰς, ἐν, ἐκ im NT: Progr. z. 24. u. 29. Jahresbericht des niederösterr. Landes- Real- u. Obergymnasiums Horn 1896; 1901; AOepke, TW II 418–32), indicating motion into a thing or into its immediate vicinity or relation to something.

1 extension involving a goal or place, into, in, toward, to...

Though εἰς can be translated "in" it shouldn't be because contextually INTO fits with the rest of the Gospel, For He is the vine and we are the branches. Without Him we can do nothing. Jo 15:5

The prayer of a righteous man availeth much. So it is written...

Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

(Joh 17:20-23 KJV)

Hi and blessings, my walk with God has brought me where this that you write about, this believing into Christ is the truth of the issue… Believing into Christ, believing into righteousness, for by faith does one believe into the truths they see so they might know those truths by experience…

For all things come from God by faith… Be blessed as your relationship with Christ reaps the fruit of faith, as you come to know Him more and more through the experiencing, through the believing into…

Be blessed in Him, a fellow believer into, Not me 

Edited October 10, 2021 by Not me

[Light Bearer]

2 hours ago, Not me said:

Hi and blessings, my walk with God has brought me where this that you write about, this believing into Christ is the truth of the issue… Believing into Christ, believing into righteousness, for by faith does one believe into the truths they see so they might know those truths by experience…

For all things come from God by faith… Be blessed as your relationship with Christ reaps the fruit of faith, as you come to know Him more and more through the experiencing, through the believing into…

Be blessed in Him, a fellow believer into, Not me 

Praise God for your kind words. He truly moves us and establishes us through and in Him. For it is He that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. That is the Gospel, the Kingdom of God. Us in Him He in us that the World might believe. 

[Not me]

5 minutes ago, Light Bearer said:

Praise God for your kind words. He truly moves us and establishes us through and in Him. For it is He that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. That is the Gospel, the Kingdom of God. Us in Him He in us that the World might believe. 

Such gracious words from the heart that knows Christ, the blessing received…

Unto Him be our all..

A fellow follower of His, Not me 

[luigi]

To believe in (into) someone, to me means to believe in what that individual represents. If I believe in loving my neighbor, which is the same as loving God/Love, I then believe into Christs Word. If on the other hand, I profess faith in Christ, but I believe in hating other people; I then in truth do not believe in Christ, but instead am an Anti believer in Christ, being an Antichrist.

[Your closest friendnt]

34 minutes ago, luigi said:

To believe in (into) someone, to me means to believe in what that individual represents. If I believe in loving my neighbor, which is the same as loving God/Love, I then believe into Christs Word. If on the other hand, I profess faith in Christ, but I believe in hating other people; I then in truth do not believe in Christ, but instead am an Anti believer in Christ, being an Antichrist.

What is the message? 

There not one but many messages in this post.

But those messages are not part of the OP.

John 3:16,17,18 is about how God loved the world, is not about how God loved the underworld. 

John 3:16 can be read how God loved mankind, all mankind. 

Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of the sins for all mankind. 

Is the Devil part of mankind? 

Jesus Christ was born and lived and died and resurrected as a man while being the son of Man. 

Jesus Christ is the Savior of Man only.  

The Devil is mad at something and he is not happy about something. 

Because he had some people he could call his own and that not because of their works, but because they had refused to believe in Jesus Christ that he died for the forgiveness of their sins, those same people they are not his anymore because they now have come to believe that Jesus Christ died for their sins. 

The Devil is mad because he has lost them on the principle of faith in Jesus Christ. 

Those who believe in Jesus Christ are secured under the blood of Jesus Christ.

Those who at some time they were in the Devil's camp Jesus Christ took them from his camp and put them into his camp when they believed in him. 

The Devil is mad because he

Lost them and because he cannot take them from Jesus Christ even when they sin because they are under the eternal fountain of the blood of Jesus Christ.  They are secured as long as they believe. 

If you disagree let me know with your reasons why. 

[missmuffet]

We often see signs and banners at sporting events that say "John 3:16." Wrongly so, John 3:16 is often written as graffiti on highway overpasses. Some "entertainers" have thrown in a twist and replaced "John" with "something else 3:16." So, what is the big deal with John 3:16? Why is this one verse so important?

No other verse in the Bible so succinctly summarizes God’s relationship with humanity and the way of salvation. Some consider John 3:16 as the "theme verse" for the entire Bible. John 3:16 tells us of the love God has for us and the extent of that love—so great that He sacrificed His only Son on our behalf. John 3:16 teaches us that anyone who believes in Jesus Christ, God’s Son, will be saved. John 3:16 gives us the glorious hope of eternal life in heaven through the love of God and death of Jesus Christ.

There is no more powerful way to deliver this message than to let John 3:16 speak for itself. Here is John 3:16 in 22 different English Bible translations. The words may be slightly different, but the glorious message is the same.

https://www.gotquestions.org/John-3-16.html

Edited October 10, 2021 by missmuffet

[Not me]

4 hours ago, missmuffet said:

We often see signs and banners at sporting events that say "John 3:16." Wrongly so, John 3:16 is often written as graffiti on highway overpasses. Some "entertainers" have thrown in a twist and replaced "John" with "something else 3:16." So, what is the big deal with John 3:16? Why is this one verse so important?

No other verse in the Bible so succinctly summarizes God’s relationship with humanity and the way of salvation. Some consider John 3:16 as the "theme verse" for the entire Bible. John 3:16 tells us of the love God has for us and the extent of that love—so great that He sacrificed His only Son on our behalf. John 3:16 teaches us that anyone who believes in Jesus Christ, God’s Son, will be saved. John 3:16 gives us the glorious hope of eternal life in heaven through the love of God and death of Jesus Christ.

There is no more powerful way to deliver this message than to let John 3:16 speak for itself. Here is John 3:16 in 22 different English Bible translations. The words may be slightly different, but the glorious message is the same.

https://www.gotquestions.org/John-3-16.html

Hi, thanks for the link, most interesting.. Having gone through the different translations I noticed that one did translate the word ‘in’ as ‘into’..  Thought it was worth a mention??

Literal Translation of the Bible
John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that everyone believing into Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Be blessed in the pursuing  of Him..

A fellow believer, Not me 

Edited October 10, 2021 by Not me

[JohnD]

On 10/9/2021 at 2:08 PM, bropro said:

There are a lot of people that say they believe in Jesus. But unless the  life and actions of a person are affected by the one they say they believe in (Jesus), it is no more than an empty confession. The demons believe and tremble.

Gary

I used to really believe this was true. But it invokes a works salvation (to get saved, to stay saved, or to prove to others we are saved).

Jesus said unless you come as little children (who simply believe / accept) you cannot enter life. 

He said the work of God is to believe the one he has sent.

He said the Father loves us because we believe he (Jesus) is come out of God.

Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness. He hid behind his wife twice, sired Ishmael, etc. 

David was a man after God's own heart... look at what he did.

Moses murdered the Egyptian...

I mean, I don't want to go down a list of bashing these pillars of faith but to show these high and lofty legalist definitions of belief / faith do not square with scripture.

John 3:16-18 mentions nothing about works or the appearance of belief. Only belief or unbelief. 

Ephesians 2:8-10 specifically forbids works theology but rather we are Christ's workmanship and Christ's alone.  

The faith chapter (Hebrews 11) begins each entry with "by faith" ...

By faith Christ was able to do these works through them... is how this should be understood. 

As I said, I used to parrot the traditionalist view of salvation and I have since learned it is a way to steer people away from salvation and to control followers depriving them of salvation and the individual priesthood / ministry we are all given as believers in Christ (Revelation 1:6 / Revelation 5:10 / 1 Peter 2:3-9).

I am not faulting any one individual. It is the system the organized religion masquerading as the Church that causes division and deceit depriving us of true salvation to follow after the traditions of man we most agree with.

Jesus prayed 3 times in John 17 that we in the Church be one as the Father and he are one.

Look around for yourselves. Is the traditional Church one?