As in the Days of Noe.

[David1701]

2 minutes ago, Cntrysner said:

Works saved many in the bible as in sacrifices, obeying the law, baptisms, circumcisions, building an ark, etc. If they had not obeyed they would not have been saved. Works were required until the death of Christ and the new testament in His shed blood for remission of sins.

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Rom. 3:19,20 (KJV)

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

[Cntrysner]

32 minutes ago, AandW_Rootbeer said:

I have a simple question for you:

 

The entire Population of Planet Earth was all gathered in One Spot and decided to use a [WORKS BASED SALVATION] by building a Tower that went all the way to Heaven and God's Throne.

 

We know this as the Tower of Babel!

 

These men were all the way up and beyond Sky Scraping Towers reaching into the immediate atmosphere.

 

Ultimately, Did God REWARD them from their Work Based Salvation?

Or, did God Punish them over their Work Based Salvation?

 

 

There is NO such requirement of God anywhere instructing us to Work for Salvation.  So, how could one conclude as such?

God has always been long suffering and in doing so He made a way to save His people through obedience to the law (old testament) until the knowledge of truth in Christ and His finished work on the cross. We now have a new testament for remission of sins that was not effectual until the death of Christ.

Do you think Noah would have been saved if he had not built the ark?

 

[Cntrysner]

15 minutes ago, David1701 said:

Rom. 3:19,20 (KJV)

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

So true and the death of Christ made it possible. God saved before the cross through obedience to the law as in requiring sacrifices to cover their sins and water baptism for remission they were not justified. 

[AandW_Rootbeer]

25 minutes ago, Cntrysner said:

God has always been long suffering and in doing so He made a way to save His people through obedience to the law (old testament) until the knowledge of truth in Christ and His finished work on the cross. We now have a new testament for remission of sins that was not effectual until the death of Christ.

Do you think Noah would have been saved if he had not built the ark?

 

The Law was not designed to Work to Avoid punishment, it's Designed to show what is Sin and what is Not Sin.  People STILL SINNED!   They were then [required] to bring an Offering for their Sins.

 

So far, NO WORKING for SALVATION HERE!!

 

And we still SIN today, but our Sin Offering is Christ!

 

And STILL, No WORKING for Salvation Here!

 

 

As far as Noah, God was going to wipe man OFF the face of the Earth, but He did not want to have another Creation of Man, so, He Found GRACE in Noah and chose to use Noah as the Lineage to continue Man.

 

So, one way or another, God was going to SAVE NOAH (Ark or no Ark) God was going to SAVE Noah.

 

But the Ark provided shelter for God's other Creation.

The Ark was for preserving God's Creation to continue onward.

 

 

So, there ARE NO [examples] of Work Base Salvation anywhere you have given to me!

[Justin Adams]

6 minutes ago, Cntrysner said:

So true and the death of Christ made it possible. God saved before the cross through obedience to the law as in requiring sacrifices to cover their sins and water baptism for remission they were not justified. 

We need to study Leviticus well to see what the various sacrifices were for. They were very limited in scope and there was no sacrifice for the mortal or moral sins mostly.

The Law is quite different to what most people say it is. Study Leviticus well.

Yeshua's blood PURGED the way for us to be saved by coming to His Throne of Grace. In Hebrews, we learn that Jesus is the only- begotten Son, creator and heir of all things, the express image of God's person, and has purged our sins.

The Law had very little of that and was mostly concerned with keeping sacred space free of contaminants and thus allowing access for worship.

[AandW_Rootbeer]

The ARK provided shelter for male/female of certain Specie of the Animal Kingdom.

 

The Animals were SAVED by the ARK!

 

But, in the 120 years it took to build the Ark, DID THESE ANIMALS WORK FOR THEIR SALVATION THAT GOD GAVE TO THEM?

 

NOPE!!

 

No Works Based Salvation for the Animals inside the Ark!!

Edited November 13, 2021 by AandW_Rootbeer

[MrBear]

8 minutes ago, AandW_Rootbeer said:

The Law was not designed to Work to Avoid punishment, it's Designed to show what is Sin and what is Not Sin.  People STILL SINNED!    

Yes Brother that spoke to me

The Law is like a mirror I wake up I look in the mirror it shows me my hair is a mess, it shows me I got crusty in my eyes?

But the mirror can’t brush my hair or wash my face , I still have to that myself 

The law was just a mirror and then the Father had to send a walking talking version of the Law in the flesh to actually “ show them” how to obey Gods laws

Good message Brother

SHALOM❤️

Edited November 13, 2021 by MrBear

[AandW_Rootbeer]

1 minute ago, MrBear said:

Yes Brother that spoke to me

The Law is like a mirror I wake up I look in the mirror it shows me my hair is a mess, it shows me I got crusty in my eyes?

But the mirror can’t brush my hair or wash my face , I still have to that myself 

The law was just a mirror and then the Father had to send a walking talking version of the Law in the flesh to actually “ show them” how to obey Gods laws

Good message Brother

SHALOM❤️

Amen!

[AandW_Rootbeer]

2 minutes ago, MrBear said:

Yes Brother that spoke to me

The Law is like a mirror I wake up I look in the mirror it shows me my hair is a mess, it shows me I got crusty in my eyes?

But the mirror can’t brush my hair or wash my face , I still have to that myself 

The law was just a mirror and then the Father had to send a walking talking version of the Law in the flesh to actually “ show them” how to obey Gods laws

Good message Brother

SHALOM❤️

Awesome Example!!

 

Shalom!!

[Cntrysner]

39 minutes ago, AandW_Rootbeer said:

So, one way or another, God was going to SAVE NOAH (Ark or no Ark) God was going to SAVE Noah.

God commanded Noah to build the ark and you telling me Noah could have disobeyed and he and his family would have survived the flood? I think there would be punishment for disobedience.

Lev 26:21  And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins. 
Lev 26:22  I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate. 
Lev 26:23  And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me; 
Lev 26:24  Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins.