HAVING BEEN CREATED in Christ Jesus FOR WORKS GOOD, Yes, or no?

[DeighAnn]

My life is a works based life, I just can't help it my faith in God demands it. I THANK GOD for not having to be 'perfect' all the time (Whew!) cause I mess up (but no where near as much as when I first started) and knowing that makes it so much easier for me to keep trying.  I strive to acknowledge and repent of all sin that tries to creep into my life.  I strive to walk holy and I consider it A VERY GOOD THING and the very thing we are SUPPOSED to do.  The more I do on my own EFFORT (led by the Holy Spirit of course) the less transgressions/sin I commit, the less STRIPES I personally cause to the Lord and Saviour, the more ready I will be to serve where ever I may be assigned.  Not to mention that it sure would be nice to have that 'refining by fire' only singe me, rather than having to go all crispy. 

I DO agree, works are most certainly NOT EVER done (nor ever can be) FOR THE GIFT of SALVATION receive when we first come to faith, but I do consider my works in EVERYTHING ELSE as GOOD THINGS.
 

WHY and when did 'works' become BAD?  Or am I reading it all wrong?  But it sure does seem as if ALL WORKS get turned into 'works salvation or works based salvation? If someone is not boasting of saving themselves, are they ever bad?   

What is the difference?  How is it discerned?


Never having learned this through any of my reading my Bible, what verses speak to this?

 
When did this come about?  All I can think of right now is it must be from some 'tradition of man' based on some CONCLUSION possibly gained through scripture but not on scripture itself (again, because I have missed any connection) It just seems as if one 'conclusion' has FORCED this 'conclusion' and again, for me, THEY only serve to make void the words of God. 

Where I am coming from is 

Eph 2:10

Of Him for we are workmanship

HAVING BEEN CREATED in Christ Jesus
FOR WORKS GOOD

WHICH PREPARED BEFOREHAND
God that in them we should walk

WE ARE CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS FOR GOOD WORKS SO shouldn't a WORKS BASED ILIFE be A GOOD THING? (of course, unless used 'to boast of saving oneself',  has that ever been heard of?)

OF HIM FOR WE ARE 

4161. poiéma ►
Strong's Concordance
poiéma: a work
Original Word: ποίημα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: poiéma
Phonetic Spelling: (poy'-ay-mah)
Definition: a work
Usage: a thing made, a work, workmanship.

 

HAVING BEEN CREATED
2936. ktizó ►
Strong's Concordance
ktizó: to build, create
Original Word: κτίζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: ktizó
Phonetic Spelling: (ktid'-zo)
Definition: to build, create
Usage: I create, form, shape, make, always of God.
HELPS Word-studies
2936 ktízō – properly, create, which applies only to God who alone can make what was "not there before" (Latin, ex nihilo, out of nothing, J.Thayer); figuratively to begin ("found"), especially what is habitable or useful.
 

IN CHRIST JESUS FOR WORKS GOOD
2041. ergon ►
Strong's Concordance
ergon: work
Original Word: ἔργον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: ergon
Phonetic Spelling: (er'-gon)
Definition: work
Usage: work, task, employment; a deed, action; that which is wrought or made, a work.
HELPS Word-studies
2041 érgon (from ergō, "to work, accomplish") – a work or worker who accomplishes something. 2041 /érgon ("work") is a deed (action) that carries out (completes) an inner desire (intension, purpose).



WHICH PREPARED BEFOREHAND
God 
4282. proetoimazó ►
Strong's Concordance
proetoimazó: to prepare before
Original Word: προετοιμάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: proetoimazó
Phonetic Spelling: (pro-et-oy-mad'-zo)
Definition: to prepare before
Usage: I prepare or appoint beforehand, predestine.
HELPS Word-studies
4282 proetoimázō (from 4253 /pró, "beforehand" and 2092 /hétoimos, "ready because prepared") – properly, made ready in advance; hence, "ready, already prepared" (used only in Ro 9:23; Eph 2:10).


 

that in them we should walk
4043. peripateó ►
Strong's Concordance
peripateó: to walk
Original Word: περιπατέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: peripateó
Phonetic Spelling: (per-ee-pat-eh'-o)
Definition: to walk
Usage: I walk, hence Hebraistically (in an ethical sense): I conduct my life, live.
HELPS Word-studies
4043 peripatéō (from 4012 /perí, "comprehensively around," which intensifies 3961 /patéō, "walk") – properly, walk around, i.e. in a complete circuit (going "full circle").


So if anyone who teaches this message could lay it all out I would really appreciate it.  And just in case someone can/will do that, thank you 
 

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[missmuffet]

A Person who is truly justified by faith will have good works in their lifestyle. Works alone does not save a person. 

James 2:14

 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?

 

[DeighAnn]

27 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

A Person who is truly justified by faith will have good works in their lifestyle. Works alone does not save a person. 

James 2:14

 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?

 

Is there a purpose I am missing by the reiteration of this part of the post? 

[MrBear]

Some people do deeds or works in order to gain something from God in return like Matthew 6:3-4 says

But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

when we do good deeds we don’t need to dwell on it or pat ourselves on the back, deeds done in righteousness mean more than works done for show

The Pharisees did works in public to “ display” their righteousness , but their hearts were filled with unrighteousness so they were so corrupted they couldn’t even recognize the son of God right in front of their own eyes even though everything Jesus did was righteousness 

So their example is how works can be bad

Our Father knows our hearts ♥️ he knows if works are done in his name or just for show

SHALOM❤️

[missmuffet]

29 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Is there a purpose I am missing by the reiteration of this part of the post? 

Is there? Perhaps you should pray about it and ask God. 

[DeighAnn]

12 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Is there? Perhaps you should pray about it and ask God. 

If you would like to have a conversation I am all for it but there is no need to be so cryptic and then tell me I should perhaps be praying and asking God.  That's like saying I not only need to tell you the dream but give  the meaning also.  So PLEASE feel free to be straight forward and honest.  WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY?   

Edited December 2, 2021 by DeighAnn

[missmuffet]

53 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

If you would like to have a conversation I am all for it but there is no need to be so cryptic and then tell me I should perhaps be praying and asking God.  That's like saying I not only need to tell you the dream but give  the meaning also.  So PLEASE feel free to be straight forward and honest.  WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY?   

I thought I explained my reasoning quite well. 

[OneLight]

Ephesians 2:10 tells us:

For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

Our good works in Christ come after salvation, as God prepared them beforehand so we would do them and live by them.   

[angels4u]

Hey DeighAnn,

A Prayer for God's Power
…5You welcome those who gladly do right, who remember Your ways. Surely You were angry, for we sinned. How can we be saved if we remain in our sins? 6Each of us has become like something unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all wither like a leaf, and our iniquities carry us away like the wind. 7No one calls on Your name or strives to take hold of You. For You have hidden Your face from us and delivered us into the hand of our iniquity.…Isaiah 65:5-7

 

Because I love Jesus and I accepted His great of Salvation ,the good works works I do are not mine,from ,I  can't do anything good,it's all because of Jesus and the Holy Spirit that we long to live for Him and to do His will at all times.

But we often fail and thank God,Jesus is our mediator and will plead for us and when we ask God to forgive us our sins ,He will remember them no more..

15 But now you must be holy in everything you do, just as God who chose you is holy.

1 Peter 1:15 

 

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, missmuffet said:

I thought I explained my reasoning quite well. 

I thought I made it clear that you didn't.  

So I'll ask again, what did you mean.  And please explain so that I could understand because at this point it just feels like you are being rude for no reason.