Whatever you do...

[missmuffet]

Believers may have the "right" to do anything, but not everything glorifies God. To glorify God it requires full commitment to Him. Glorifying God means we honor Him. 

Edited December 7, 2021 by missmuffet

[Who me]

If we love him, we will obey him.

[Reinitin]

19 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Believers may have the "right" to do anything, but not everything glorifies God. To glorify God it requires full commitment to Him. Glorifying God means we honor Him. 

I dont know. I would not use the word "right". Whether you are saved by grace or damned.  Willfull sin still results in slavery to sin and destruction of your flesh and everything good in this life. 

Paul is clear about that. And slavery to sin is a pretty miserable existence for anyone reguardless of eternal grace or damnation.  What did Paul say about the sexual sin in the corinth church? Hand them over to Satan so he can destoy their body so tbeir soul might be saved?

I can't think of a more undesirable existence then to be Satan's slave under his un merciful hand so our  soul is eternally redeemed by Gods grace. Whether you know it or not the law is Just, there is no mercy envolved in justice. You poke out someones eye, you loose your eye.

We recieve Gods grace by faith. His grace and favor are interchangeable words. 

Intellectually most of us realize we can not abtain righteousness by the law. At least not a level that allows us to dwell in the eternal presence of God with out his grace/favor provided by Him and his Son Jesus Christ.

All the law does now without Christ is bring us under a curse, because no one ever has fullfilled the law 100% to obtain righteoussnes except Christ and no one else ever will. So now if we recieved his saving grace tbrough Christ by grace, the law just exposes our sin to us so we can humble ourselves and repent and resist and pray for our yokes to be destroyed as the Holy Spirit searches us and exposes them to us.

Believing in Jesus for salvation through grace by faith gives us peace in our conscious toward God. But i think we also need to have faith in the grace of Christs annointing we recieve with his Holy Spirit to " DESTROY"      ( not break so we can we can go back to it) but Destroy the yoke of bondage to sin that has enslaved us. 

i think its really sad people have turned away from teaching this truth of what Christ accomplished for us by offering himself on the cross and offering his blood for our sin, and in his death and  burial, and in his resurrection and ascention. 

a rebellious, enslaved body is not Glory to God its a body falling short in faith, love and his power maybe even bewitched with false doctrin that satisfy the desires of the flesh. 

the bible doesn't tell us to deliver anyone from slavery to sin. It tells us to preach the deliverance of Christ so people can also recieve that grace of God by faith.

 

 

Edited December 8, 2021 by Reinitin
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[Starise]

@missmuffet It seems you are referring to the things we do that might somehow influence a brother in a negative way. Alchohol consumption sometimes enters into these types of discussions but there are surely many other things one can do that are possible to make a brother stumble.

If God has said it's ok we sometimes need to make a judgement as to how it affects others. Admittedly we sometimes fail in that regard. I hear Paul saying " God has said it's ok but not if it causes a brother to stumble." Do you agree?  There have been some uncomfortable moments in restaurants at times when I wanted a drink and wondered if the people I invited will be offended. I try to gauge these things carefully. It isn't worth a drink for me to loose a good friend or cause him to stumble by getting caught into alcoholism.

Sexual sin was a big deal way back then and it still is today. I have never lived in a woman's body and so I don't know the things they are tempted with. It's a continual struggle for most men, especially younger men. Not that older men are immune either. My thinking part doesn't understand why because it is what it is and it doesn't make sense to me to be drawn to it. The other parts sometime try to override the thinking parts. It's often called thinking with the little head in my circles. The Bible talks about the sins that commonly hang people up. This is only one of many. 

Never have I in any way thought is was by any stretch "right" outside of marriage. Not quite sure how @Reinitin is tying this all together. I maybe need to re read her post on it.

Honoring God is truly a daily struggle probably for everyone. God sees even the most hidden, smallest sins. We can't ever pull anything over on Him. If HE is the one we are honoring with our lives and bodies most of us have at one time or another, been abject failures. Doesn't mean we give up. We keep pushing for the mark of the high calling of Jesus Christ.

[MrBear]

25 minutes ago, Reinitin said:

I dont know. I would not use the word "right". Whether you are saved by grace or damned.  Willfull sin still results in slavery to sin and destruction of your flesh and everything good in this life. 

Paul is clear about that. And slavery to sin is a pretty miserable existence for anyone reguardless of eternal grace or damnation.  What did Paul say about the sexual sin in the corinth church? Hand them over to Satan so he can destoy their body so tbeir soul might be saved?

I can't think of a more undesirable existence then to be Satan's slave under his un merciful hand so our  soul is eternally redeemed by Gods grace. Whether you know it or not the law is Just, there is no mercy envolved in justice. You poke out someones eye, you loose your eye.

We recieve Gods grace by faith. His grace and favor are interchangeable words. 

Intellectually most of us realize we can not abtain righteousness by the law. At least not a level that allows us to dwell in the eternal presence of God with out his grace/favor provided by Him and his Son Jesus Christ.

All the law does now without Christ is bring us under a curse, because no one ever has fullfilled the law 100% to obtain righteoussnes except Christ and no one else ever will. So now if we recieved his saving grace tbrough Christ by grace, the law just exposes our sin to us so we can humble ourselves and repent and resist and pray for our yokes to be destroyed as the Holy Spirit searches us and exposes them to us.

Believing in Jesus for salvation through grace by faith gives us peace in our conscious toward God. But i think we also need to have faith in the grace of Christs annointing we recieve with his Holy Spirit to " DESTROY"      ( not break so we can we can go back to it) but Destroy the yoke of bondage to sin that has enslaved us. 

i think its really sad people have turned away from teaching this truth of what Christ accomplished for us by offering himself on the cross and offering his blood for our sin, and in his death and  burial, and in his resurrection and ascention. 

a rebellious, enslaved body is not Glory to God its a body falling short in faith, love and his power maybe even bewitched with false doctrin that satisfy the desires of the flesh. 

the bible doesn't tell us to deliver anyone from slavery to sin. It tells us to preach the deliverance of Christ so people can also recieve that grace of God by faith.

 

 

I agree with this

Think of the Law like a mirror

you wake up and look in the mirror it shows you that your hair is a mess, you might have crusty in your eye 

BUT. The mirror can’t brush your hair it can’t wash your face, it can just show you these things,. Same with the Law it can show you where you need to improve but it can’t do it for you

As Paul says

Galatians 1:14

And I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people, so extremely azealous was I for bthe traditions of my fathers ?

Paul was beyond the other Pharisees , he was zealous and without a doubt thought he was walking in Righteousness 

BUT then Jesus himself opened Paul’s eyes to the REAL LAW , Gods Law

Romans 7:7

What should we say then? Is the law sin? Absolutely not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin if it were not for the law. For example, I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, Do not covet 

What happened to that Pharisee beyond his peers? 
He looked in the mirror and realized he had been sinning the whole time, the law exposed his weakness in his life and it does the same for us believers 

He goes on to say then is the Law a sin?!

then answers himself God forbid!

believers  we have a handbook and also a guide the Bible and the Holy Spirit and together they work to help us walk to Glorify our Father, we have a High priest in Jesus for when we slip up

It is a complete divine system made possible by our Loving God who put the whole thing together that we brothers and sisters will be able to spend eternity with him because he loves us so much ?

Glorify him and marvel at his everlasting Love for his family

SHALOM❤️

 

[Reinitin]

6 minutes ago, MrBear said:

I agree with this

Think of the Law like a mirror

you wake up and look in the mirror it shows you that your hair is a mess, you might have crusty in your eye 

BUT. The mirror can’t brush your hair it can’t wash your face, it can just show you these things,. Same with the Law it can show you where you need to improve but it can’t do it for you

As Paul says

Galatians 1:14

And I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people, so extremely azealous was I for bthe traditions of my fathers ?

Paul was beyond the other Pharisees , he was zealous and without a doubt thought he was walking in Righteousness 

BUT then Jesus himself opened Paul’s eyes to the REAL LAW , Gods Law

Romans 7:7

What should we say then? Is the law sin? Absolutely not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin if it were not for the law. For example, I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, Do not covet 

What happened to that Pharisee beyond his peers? 
He looked in the mirror and realized he had been sinning the whole time, the law exposed his weakness in his life and it does the same for us believers 

He goes on to say then is the Law a sin?!

then answers himself God forbid!

believers  we have a handbook and also a guide the Bible and the Holy Spirit and together they work to help us walk to Glorify our Father, we have a High priest in Jesus for when we slip up

It is a complete divine system made possible by our Loving God who put the whole thing together that we brothers and sisters will be able to spend eternity with him because he loves us so much ?

Glorify him and marvel at his everlasting Love for his family

SHALOM❤️

 

AMEN

[missmuffet]

2 hours ago, Starise said:

@missmuffet It seems you are referring to the things we do that might somehow influence a brother in a negative way. Alchohol consumption sometimes enters into these types of discussions but there are surely many other things one can do that are possible to make a brother stumble.

If God has said it's ok we sometimes need to make a judgement as to how it affects others. Admittedly we sometimes fail in that regard. I hear Paul saying " God has said it's ok but not if it causes a brother to stumble." Do you agree?  There have been some uncomfortable moments in restaurants at times when I wanted a drink and wondered if the people I invited will be offended. I try to gauge these things carefully. It isn't worth a drink for me to loose a good friend or cause him to stumble by getting caught into alcoholism.

Sexual sin was a big deal way back then and it still is today. I have never lived in a woman's body and so I don't know the things they are tempted with. It's a continual struggle for most men, especially younger men. Not that older men are immune either. My thinking part doesn't understand why because it is what it is and it doesn't make sense to me to be drawn to it. The other parts sometime try to override the thinking parts. It's often called thinking with the little head in my circles. The Bible talks about the sins that commonly hang people up. This is only one of many. 

Never have I in any way thought is was by any stretch "right" outside of marriage. Not quite sure how @Reinitin is tying this all together. I maybe need to re read her post on it.

Honoring God is truly a daily struggle probably for everyone. God sees even the most hidden, smallest sins. We can't ever pull anything over on Him. If HE is the one we are honoring with our lives and bodies most of us have at one time or another, been abject failures. Doesn't mean we give up. We keep pushing for the mark of the high calling of Jesus Christ.

Whatever you do do it to glorify God. We might be able to fool other people but we can't fool God.

Revelation 3:15-19

“I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot.  So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.

Edited December 8, 2021 by missmuffet

[missmuffet]

3 hours ago, Reinitin said:

I dont know. I would not use the word "right". Whether you are saved by grace or damned.  Willfull sin still results in slavery to sin and destruction of your flesh and everything good in this life. 

Paul is clear about that. And slavery to sin is a pretty miserable existence for anyone reguardless of eternal grace or damnation.  What did Paul say about the sexual sin in the corinth church? Hand them over to Satan so he can destoy their body so tbeir soul might be saved?

I can't think of a more undesirable existence then to be Satan's slave under his un merciful hand so our  soul is eternally redeemed by Gods grace. Whether you know it or not the law is Just, there is no mercy envolved in justice. You poke out someones eye, you loose your eye.

We recieve Gods grace by faith. His grace and favor are interchangeable words. 

Intellectually most of us realize we can not abtain righteousness by the law. At least not a level that allows us to dwell in the eternal presence of God with out his grace/favor provided by Him and his Son Jesus Christ.

All the law does now without Christ is bring us under a curse, because no one ever has fullfilled the law 100% to obtain righteoussnes except Christ and no one else ever will. So now if we recieved his saving grace tbrough Christ by grace, the law just exposes our sin to us so we can humble ourselves and repent and resist and pray for our yokes to be destroyed as the Holy Spirit searches us and exposes them to us.

Believing in Jesus for salvation through grace by faith gives us peace in our conscious toward God. But i think we also need to have faith in the grace of Christs annointing we recieve with his Holy Spirit to " DESTROY"      ( not break so we can we can go back to it) but Destroy the yoke of bondage to sin that has enslaved us. 

i think its really sad people have turned away from teaching this truth of what Christ accomplished for us by offering himself on the cross and offering his blood for our sin, and in his death and  burial, and in his resurrection and ascention. 

a rebellious, enslaved body is not Glory to God its a body falling short in faith, love and his power maybe even bewitched with false doctrin that satisfy the desires of the flesh. 

the bible doesn't tell us to deliver anyone from slavery to sin. It tells us to preach the deliverance of Christ so people can also recieve that grace of God by faith.

 

 

God gives us free will. God gave us free will because He loves us. But what is a Christian going to do with that free will?

[Reinitin]

2 hours ago, Starise said:

@missmuffet It seems you are referring to the things we do that might somehow influence a brother in a negative way. Alchohol consumption sometimes enters into these types of discussions but there are surely many other things one can do that are possible to make a brother stumble.

If God has said it's ok we sometimes need to make a judgement as to how it affects others. Admittedly we sometimes fail in that regard. I hear Paul saying " God has said it's ok but not if it causes a brother to stumble." Do you agree?  There have been some uncomfortable moments in restaurants at times when I wanted a drink and wondered if the people I invited will be offended. I try to gauge these things carefully. It isn't worth a drink for me to loose a good friend or cause him to stumble by getting caught into alcoholism.

Sexual sin was a big deal way back then and it still is today. I have never lived in a woman's body and so I don't know the things they are tempted with. It's a continual struggle for most men, especially younger men. Not that older men are immune either. My thinking part doesn't understand why because it is what it is and it doesn't make sense to me to be drawn to it. The other parts sometime try to override the thinking parts. It's often called thinking with the little head in my circles. The Bible talks about the sins that commonly hang people up. This is only one of many. 

Never have I in any way thought is was by any stretch "right" outside of marriage. Not quite sure how @Reinitin is tying this all together. I maybe need to re read her post on it.

Honoring God is truly a daily struggle probably for everyone. God sees even the most hidden, smallest sins. We can't ever pull anything over on Him. If HE is the one we are honoring with our lives and bodies most of us have at one time or another, been abject failures. Doesn't mean we give up. We keep pushing for the mark of the high calling of Jesus Christ.

I am not assuming I know anything about what you said. Im totally capable of misunderstanding peoples writings. So if I'm going the wrong way with what you wrote. Please correct, please correct me if I misunderstood you. 

 

So to answer you question as I understanded it. NO OUR SIN IS NOT OK with God if it doesn't lead others into sin. It is leading you into sins slavery, the destruction of your flesh. God is not glorified when we are lead in to temptation and in bandage to sin.

He subjected this world to these frustrations In hope for sons.

With that said... 

Does God use those sinfull/ painful paths people choose to teach? Yes.

Does the enemy use them to burden us down with guilt, condemnation, confusion and make us like salt without savor? Useless to God and the lost on this earth? Yes

Will God's grace abound as sin abounds? Yes

So what do i hear Paul say..

Will you ever be acceptable to God No matter how righteous you can become based off your own works of the law? No

If God was not, is not and will never be ok with rebellion, disobedience and sin. What the heck is Paul talking about?

To me PAul is saying our condition because of sin, the condition of our sinful flesh, the condition of our soul because of sin and rebellion in our flesh sewed in us by Satan the father of all lies, self righteous and rebellious.

The things we have done and do that God has promised to Damn eternally and the flesh physically for. The things we are tortured in our mind with. The things we did that are so bad, we won't admit even to ourself. God know's it all. And it is ok to come to come to him. what ever anyone has done, his son is a bridge we can cross to come to him or return to him and be washed and made a new creation from His heavenly seed, or washed refreshed and renwed.

No matter what. The desrved punishment and wrath toward any persons sin was poured out on His Son Jesus Christ and His Justice was satisfied. 

His grace and the gospel does not end there does it? 

I know for many it does. That is all they want. The ticket out of hell. A verse doctrin that says its OK. I can't help it. It is the way I was made. God gave me these desires it is ok with him..  Im justified in MY SINS. Im forgiven, I don't need to do anything. Jesus said, It is finished.. nothing to see here. It is all predestined. There are no laws i will be eternally held to account for.. im at peace with my slavery;).

But, Scripture says different.  We have His Holy Spirit at Work in us. And so much more waiting for us to step out in faith to receive. 

 

[Reinitin]

2 hours ago, missmuffet said:

God gives us free will. God gave us free will because He loves us. But what is a Christian going to do with that free will?

Serve the flesh, serve Satan or serve God I imagine:) and reap the consequences and or benefits of our free will choices. But Jesus showed us a better way. Didn't he? 

Edited December 8, 2021 by Reinitin
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