Revelation Chapter 13 -

[BlindSeeker]

Ok Abda . . . . why are you simply reposting another's posts without comment?

Seeings how it is his/her first post, my guess is that he/she is learning the system. Maybe we should welcome him/her to the board

Welcome Abda.

Works for me . . . . welcome aboard.

[Fez]

Ok Abda . . . . why are you simply reposting another's posts without comment?

Seeings how it is his/her first post, my guess is that he/she is learning the system. Maybe we should welcome him/her to the board

Welcome Abda.

Works for me . . . . welcome aboard.

Me too! Welcome

[Sherbear]

If you truly want to know who or what this beast is......It is NOT England. You totally forgot about the Islamic Empire. I will attempt to explain it to you. . .

Either you miss read my OP or just skimmed quickly to the end to try and find a summation, but either way you are wrong. I did not say the beast was England. The beast in Revelation 13-18 is actually the 8th representation of the the beast. It has seven heads to expose its beginning as the first head and its progression through history as empires that had direct dealing with Israel, who also was, was not and yet is.

My reference to England was only that it was the 7th head/empire of the beast . . . .then comes the 8th -

Re 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

My point was simply showing that America came from the 7th empire, or from England . . . and that we are also the great melting pot of all the cultures of the world.

I sincerely hope this helps as 666 was revealed to me By God himself in a dream.

I will continue to examine both history and the present in light of the scriptures. They have proven to be a sure word of prophecy upon which I am secure to place my faith.

The 7 heads Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, Medo-Persia, Greece (5 fallen) Rome (1 is) the other not yet come (7-Islamic Empire/Mohammad conquered Jerusalem in 7th century)

Now what did they all have in common? SIN

The beast that was --------SIN

And is NOT-----SIN (Jesus freed us from captivity of sin)

Even he is the eighth----SIN

And IS OF the seven----SIN

What causes destruction? SIN

Whom does Peter/John/Paul say goes to heaven? All those who are obedient To God through Jesus.

Whom do they say doesn't go to heaven? All the fornicators, adulterers, idolaters, liars, false prophets, etc....

Sin is blasphemy, sin causes destruction and it's sin that is destroying America, Canada, Europe, Mexico, South America, Middle east, etc.....

[Ovedya]

The 7 heads Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, Medo-Persia, Greece (5 fallen) Rome (1 is) the other not yet come (7-Islamic Empire/Mohammad conquered Jerusalem in 7th century)

Now what did they all have in common? SIN

The beast that was --------SIN

And is NOT-----SIN (Jesus freed us from captivity of sin)

Even he is the eighth----SIN

And IS OF the seven----SIN

What causes destruction? SIN

Whom does Peter/John/Paul say goes to heaven? All those who are obedient To God through Jesus.

Whom do they say doesn't go to heaven? All the fornicators, adulterers, idolaters, liars, false prophets, etc....

Sin is blasphemy, sin causes destruction and it's sin that is destroying America, Canada, Europe, Mexico, South America, Middle east, etc.....

So...the beast is "sin"?

Actually it's Antichrist:

Rev. 13:1 The beast has 10 horns and seven heads. The ten horns and seven heads of the beast are those of the dragon of Rev. 12:3, indicating that the beast is one with the dragon, Satan. The ten horns are the ten coming kings from Rev. 17:12 and Dan. 7:24. The seven heads are the seven Caesars of Rev. 17:10. The ten horns correspond with the ten toes of the great image mentioned in Dan. 2:42-44. The word here indicates that the Roman Empire, Antichrist, and the ten kings are one with Satan.

Rev 13:2 The beast is like a leopard, having the feet of a bear and the mouth of a lion. The interpretation in Daniel 7 gives us an idea of what these aspects of the beast represent: In type the leopard is swift and cruel, which represents the greatest king of the Greek Empire Alexander the Great (who conquered the Persian empire). The bear, with it's massive crushing paws is the symbol of the Medo-Perisan Empire. The lion represents king Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. These three aspects represent the totality of all the evil powers in human history.

The number of the beast - AntiChrist- in Rev. 13:18 is the number of a man. This is Caesar Nero, who at the time of John's writing "was and is not" (Rev. 17:8). If you take "Caesar Nero" and correspond the letters with both the Greek and Hebrew alphabets (the two primary languages in which the Bible was written) you get 666. That the beast is Caesar Nero also corresponds with the items mentioned in Rev. 17 pertaining to him: He has seven heads, representing the seven hills upon which Rome was built (and also the seven Caesars), and the ten horns representing ten kings indicates that during the Tribulation period ten kings will be raised up in the revived Roman Empire. These also correspond with the ten toes of the great image Nebuchadnezzar saw in Dan. 2:41-42.

[Sherbear]

The 7 heads Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, Medo-Persia, Greece (5 fallen) Rome (1 is) the other not yet come (7-Islamic Empire/Mohammad conquered Jerusalem in 7th century)

Now what did they all have in common? SIN

The beast that was --------SIN

And is NOT-----SIN (Jesus freed us from captivity of sin)

Even he is the eighth----SIN

And IS OF the seven----SIN

What causes destruction? SIN

Whom does Peter/John/Paul say goes to heaven? All those who are obedient To God through Jesus.

Whom do they say doesn't go to heaven? All the fornicators, adulterers, idolaters, liars, false prophets, etc....

Sin is blasphemy, sin causes destruction and it's sin that is destroying America, Canada, Europe, Mexico, South America, Middle east, etc.....

So...the beast is "sin"?

Actually it's Antichrist:

Rev. 13:1 The beast has 10 horns and seven heads. The ten horns and seven heads of the beast are those of the dragon of Rev. 12:3, indicating that the beast is one with the dragon, Satan. The ten horns are the ten coming kings from Rev. 17:12 and Dan. 7:24. The seven heads are the seven Caesars of Rev. 17:10. The ten horns correspond with the ten toes of the great image mentioned in Dan. 2:42-44. The word here indicates that the Roman Empire, Antichrist, and the ten kings are one with Satan.

Rev 13:2 The beast is like a leopard, having the feet of a bear and the mouth of a lion. The interpretation in Daniel 7 gives us an idea of what these aspects of the beast represent: In type the leopard is swift and cruel, which represents the greatest king of the Greek Empire Alexander the Great (who conquered the Persian empire). The bear, with it's massive crushing paws is the symbol of the Medo-Perisan Empire. The lion represents king Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. These three aspects represent the totality of all the evil powers in human history.

The number of the beast - AntiChrist- in Rev. 13:18 is the number of a man. This is Caesar Nero, who at the time of John's writing "was and is not" (Rev. 17:8). If you take "Caesar Nero" and correspond the letters with both the Greek and Hebrew alphabets (the two primary languages in which the Bible was written) you get 666. That the beast is Caesar Nero also corresponds with the items mentioned in Rev. 17 pertaining to him: He has seven heads, representing the seven hills upon which Rome was built (and also the seven Caesars), and the ten horns representing ten kings indicates that during the Tribulation period ten kings will be raised up in the revived Roman Empire. These also correspond with the ten toes of the great image Nebuchadnezzar saw in Dan. 2:41-42.

The word 'anti' means: against; in opposition of.

The number of a man is Adam because he was created on the 6th day of creation. So Adams number is "6". Check out the Hebrew Gematria. 666 represents an infinite number of mankind committing sins/abominations here on earth.

Caesar Nero was an antichrist, so were the Pharisees, so were the Sadducees, Hitler was too, Saddam Hussein is an anti christ.....so is everyone who blatantly goes out an sins or doesn't believe Jesus is the Messiah who died for our sins and resurrected on the 3rd day. When God said "Thou shalt not murder" and you go out and commit murder, you are in fact an antichrist!

Sin spreads rapidly just like a leopard, Sin devours and tramples down just like a bear, Sin goes into destruction and speaks blasphemy just like the lion. PLEASE READ Ephesians 2:1,2 Titus 1:16 and 1 Peter 5:8

Not to mention, you may want to read Revelation 22:11 very carefully.

Perhaps you should read Isaiah 14 about Nebuchadnezzar or Ezekiel 28 about the Prince of Tyrus. Better yet, read how Satan entered into Judas Iscariot.

You keep wanting to point the finger at Rome, when Rome wasn't even a Christian nation when Revelations was written. Rome didn't become Christian until Constantine in 312AD. Revelations was written in 95AD. The Roman Empire split up and the Muslims took control of most of the land that Rome controlled. Muhammad conquered Jerusalem in 638AD. Constantinople is in modern day Turkey now overrun by Muslims. Check out your history. When you read the book of Revelations, read it with the mindset of 95AD.

The 7 heads are Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, MedoPersia, Greece, Rome and the Islamic Empire.

Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, MedoPersia, Greece are the 5 that have fallen. The 1 is during that time was Rome. The other not yet come (sorry Nero died in 68ad) is the Islamic Empire. Since this beast (kingdom) is OF ALL of them, they ALL have a common factor......SIN.

Pay attention to Rev 13:9,10.

[BlindSeeker]

. . . Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, MedoPersia, Greece are the 5 that have fallen. The 1 is during that time was Rome. The other not yet come (sorry Nero died in 68ad) is the Islamic Empire. Since this beast (kingdom) is OF ALL of them, they ALL have a common factor......SIN.

The whole subject from 13-18 is dealing with the 8th beast which is of the seven . . .

And no, it is not sin. You cannot change your method of interpretation in the middle from the seven heads being empires and all of a sudden the 8th is sin . . .

[Sherbear]

. . . Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, MedoPersia, Greece are the 5 that have fallen. The 1 is during that time was Rome. The other not yet come (sorry Nero died in 68ad) is the Islamic Empire. Since this beast (kingdom) is OF ALL of them, they ALL have a common factor......SIN.

The whole subject from 13-18 is dealing with the 8th beast which is of the seven . . .

And no, it is not sin. You cannot change your method of interpretation in the middle from the seven heads being empires and all of a sudden the 8th is sin . . .

Even he is the eighth and is of the 7. a REVIVED BABYLON. All nations are a revived Babylon full of filth/sins/abominations/unbelievers etc....

Edited March 12, 2010 by Sherbear

[BlindSeeker]

. . . Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, MedoPersia, Greece are the 5 that have fallen. The 1 is during that time was Rome. The other not yet come (sorry Nero died in 68ad) is the Islamic Empire. Since this beast (kingdom) is OF ALL of them, they ALL have a common factor......SIN.

The whole subject from 13-18 is dealing with the 8th beast which is of the seven . . .

And no, it is not sin. You cannot change your method of interpretation in the middle from the seven heads being empires and all of a sudden the 8th is sin . . .

Even he is the eighth and is of the 7. a REVIVED BABYLON. All nations are a revived Babylon full of filth/sins/abominations/unbelievers etc....

No, all nations are not "a revived Babylon full of filth/sins/abominations/unbelievers etc...."

[Bold Believer]

Ovedya wrote:

"Actually it's Antichrist:

Rev. 13:1 The beast has 10 horns and seven heads. The ten horns and seven heads of the beast are those of the dragon of Rev. 12:3, indicating that the beast is one with the dragon, Satan. The ten horns are the ten coming kings from Rev. 17:12 and Dan. 7:24. The seven heads are the seven Caesars of Rev. 17:10. The ten horns correspond with the ten toes of the great image mentioned in Dan. 2:42-44. The word here indicates that the Roman Empire, Antichrist, and the ten kings are one with Satan.

Rev 13:2 The beast is like a leopard, having the feet of a bear and the mouth of a lion. The interpretation in Daniel 7 gives us an idea of what these aspects of the beast represent: In type the leopard is swift and cruel, which represents the greatest king of the Greek Empire Alexander the Great (who conquered the Persian empire). The bear, with it's massive crushing paws is the symbol of the Medo-Perisan Empire. The lion represents king Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. These three aspects represent the totality of all the evil powers in human history.

The number of the beast - AntiChrist- in Rev. 13:18 is the number of a man. This is Caesar Nero, who at the time of John's writing "was and is not" (Rev. 17:8). If you take "Caesar Nero" and correspond the letters with both the Greek and Hebrew alphabets (the two primary languages in which the Bible was written) you get 666. That the beast is Caesar Nero also corresponds with the items mentioned in Rev. 17 pertaining to him: He has seven heads, representing the seven hills upon which Rome was built (and also the seven Caesars), and the ten horns representing ten kings indicates that during the Tribulation period ten kings will be raised up in the revived Roman Empire. These also correspond with the ten toes of the great image Nebuchadnezzar saw in Dan. 2:41-42."

Ovedya, you have come as close as anyone here has ever come.

Antichrist however has nothing to do with the Beast. Antichrist is something totally different. Remember, John wrote BOTH the letters and the Revelation. Antichrist is NOT a 'who', but a 'what', a spirit according to John. The Beast is (as you have rightly stated) a nation: Rome.

Nero is the personification of Rome's evil. It was Nero who made war against the saints for 3.5 years. It was Nero who died of a head wound and nearly tore the Empire apart until a successor finally came about (in effect bringing the Beast [The Empire, not Nero] back to life).

The 'tribulation' was the time of JACOB'S trouble. Jesus calls this 3.5 years of war between Rome and apostate Judaism "the Days of Vengeance" in Luke 21. Jesus also relates the tribulation to Daniel 9 and specifically to a siege of the city of Jerusalem and not some future event long past the lifespan of the people whom He was addressing.

The Beast from the earth is apostate Israel, the part of the nation which rejected Jesus' Messiahship. The word earth could also (and I personally believe should be) be rendered land, a term often used in Scripture to describe Israel. The beast from the land is the apostate leadership of Israel. It was the High Priest and his cronies who demanded Jesus be crucified and incited the people to cry out for that very thing. The apostate leaders exercised the authority of Rome during the persecution of Nero, sending emissaries like Paul out to seize and incarcerate Believers. The priests originally had the ability to 'bring down fire from heaven from God' by the implementation of proper sacrifices before Christ came. The Holy Spirit is giving a clue as to just who the Land-Beast is by inspiring John to use this particular term.

Likewise, the concept of the Mark of the Beast is one from the Old Testament, specifically Deuteronomy 6. The Mark of God is to be placed between the eyes or on the right hand in Deuteronomy 6, now in Revelation we have the antithesis. Nero thinks he's a god and so the Spirit says that this this pseudo-god's mark will be in the forehead or right hand in mockery of Deuteronomy 6.

The tribulation put an end to the age by destroying the old system's temple and establishing the Church as the temple made without hands (Peter). It is NOT future, but past. God poured his wrath (or vengeance) out on the apostates and eventually broke Rome into ten toe-nations which were then Christianized, destroying the Empire.

[Joshua-777]

Revelation 13:1.Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.

I've always interpreted this 7 heads, meaning 7 continents, 10 leaders, united under one. I don't see the horns as future kings rising up in a sequence, because this beast stands as one, I view this as a new world order. United under one

2 Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority.

I find it really interesting that the same beasts in Danial 7 are mentioned. I think there is significance not only to that but also to the locations on the body. feet of a bear and a mouth like a lion.I'm not sure about the feet, but I believe Mouth to me means "head" If we look into Danial 7:4 where it talks about the wings of an eagle.

7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle