The Flood Story Revisited

[Dennis1209]

15 hours ago, AdHoc said:

I understand that the "generation" of men is most critical. If our Lord Jesus was to be fully qualified to die for men, he had to be 100% Man. Salvation and ultimate victory over sin, death and Satan's rule is stated in Genesis 3:15;

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

The "seed" must not be tampered with. And if you look at Satan's tactics you can see a powerful multifaceted attack. He uses:

1. Violence. If he can stir up men to kill each other he advances in annulling God's plan
2. War. If he can get men to kill lots of men he prospers
3. Mixing man with angels, sodomy and bestiality are effective ways to tamper with, or annul the seed

This all stems from God's Law of "Kinds" in Genesis 1:11-12. And this what happened by Adam eating falsely. His seed was irreparably altered. One sees the size of the tragedy in Genesis 5:1-3. Adam was made in the image and likeness of God. But when he produces Seth after the fall, it reads that Adam, who should have produced the same "kind", produced a man in his "OWN image and OWN likeness.

Thus, the reason given for Noah's salvation is based on three attributes;

1. He was, "... a preacher of righteousness, ... " (2 Pe 2:5).
2. He was a just man (Gen.6:9)
3. He was found to have his "generations" perfect (Gen.6:9)
4. He "walked with God"

That is, who "generated" him had to be "perfect" and then who he "generated" had to be perfect. This is confirmed by admitting his "generations" into the divine record in verse 10. "And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth."

Perhaps this matter can be seen in God's seeming ruthlessness in the Good Land. There he often ordered every man, woman, child and animal of the Canaanites to be slaughtered. The reason for this is that the Canaanites where involved in mating with angels (for there were again giants in the Land), sodomy and bestiality. God, like a gardener, does not cut weeds down. He uproots and destroys them all, for their seed will just spring up again. So it was in the flood. God wiped out any "hybrid" as well as judging the earth for sins.

Again we see the Law of "Kinds" operate in Jesus' incarnation. According to Romans 5, sin and death came by "ONE MAN" and then passed on to all men. So our Lord Jesus, to avoid having Adam's "sin" (singular), must NOT come from Adam's seed (Lk.1:35). Thus, our Lord's "generation" is traced to Adam in Luke's gospel, and in the genealogy it is always recorded "... who was the son of ...". This genealogy is not to show that Jesus was of the line of Adam, but because the first woman came out of Adam BEFORE the fall, and Jesus is "Seed of the woman", he can be traced to Adam without the sin-nature. This Law of "kinds" is so fixed that your salvation  and your rebirth stands on it.

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever (1 Pe 1:23)

 

Well said. I apologize for not reading your post first, before I posted. I almost parroted you, please don't think it was plagiarism 

I too was going to mention:

Genesis 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

But, the length of my ramblings was already so long, no one will have the endurance to read through it the way it is. We know for a fact; Noah was not sinless or spiritually perfect. That leaves only one alternative, his flesh, his DNA and genetic makeup was still intact as God created man. 

God has always saved a remnant, and Noah, his sons and wives were just that. That remnant was lifted above and carried through global judgment. Almost sounds like the 1/3 remnant of Israel being protected through, not from the next coming global judgment.

[Starise]

15 hours ago, Josheb said:

You mean like monkeys mating with trout? Wolves mating with iguanas? Maybe beetles and a sea star? Or more likely a shark and a mule? The progeny of an intra-species conjugation is called a hybrid. An inter-phylum, kingdom, and domain progeny does not exist. Angels and humans are completely different and incompatible kingdom from completely different domains. Taxonomic rank

 

 

I don't think you're onboard and that's ok. You might be very surprised at what's being produced in labs today. MOstly away from the public eye.

[DeighAnn]

Just now, Dennis1209 said:

Interesting topic, and I’m not out to change anyone’s view, merely summarizing my studies on your post. Be prepared, this is lengthy and long winded, but needed to express my reasoning.

It is evident from archaeology, scripture, and mythology, these giants were not a product of some sort of pituitary malfunction or other disease, such as Robert Wadlow (the Alton, IL. Giant). All biblical examples (Goliath, his brothers, Og, etc.) indicate they had no longevity or health problems, they had supernatural size and strength.

Is Mesopotamian literature, Greek mythology, and ancient Hebrew literature all science fiction and wife’s tales, or is there some truth buried in there too? Every ancient culture has Titian and global flood stories to this day.

Can we say that just shortly after the flood, the same global conditions were occurring again with Nimrod? Or, plenty of other examples in Hebrew history when the king leads the nation into idolatry and fornication, with all the other gentile nations evil to the core?

And also, after that… During the 400-year Hebrew exodus in Egypt absent from the land. These giant tribes (Rephaim, Zuzim, Horim, Avim, and Anakim) could have established themselves anywhere on the globe. They didn’t, they chose to strategically position themselves to prevent the return of the Hebrews, the allotment God is going to grant them. Was that a coincidence?

In the ten plagues of Egypt, the Hebrews, their cattle, livestock, their lives, and goods were protected from the devastation the Pharoah received.

In the global deluge, the Lord chose to start all over again, getting rid of everything with “the breath of life”; man, air breathing animals, and plants. Apparently, not only was man’s heart continually evil, but the plants and animals had become corrupted also, how?

As it was in the days of Noe, so shall… We can look at a number of periods in history after the flood, that would fit this description we are given as business as usual and unaware. What makes this period before the flood so unique and different than other periods of history? If my statements and thoughts are historically and scripturally accurate, why did Jesus have to go so far back in history to cite this comparison and example?

Thinking scientifically, these genetic mutations and genealogy could not have been a freak of nature, and passed down through DNA. It is interesting to observe, in the Bible or any other ancient literature, I’ve never ran across an instance of female giants or clans?

I do not subscribe to the Cain-Seth view of Genesis 6:1-4, bêne ʼĕlôhîym is never used of men in the Bible. Elohiym basically means spirit, non-human flesh. The offspring of this union, produced men of renown (famous, known, standing apart).

Genesis 3:15 (KJV) And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Satan knows God’s word better than anyone. We see where Satan tried to prevent the coming of the Messiah on numerous occasions by genocide of the Hebrew-Jewish race. I suspect the introduction of these part human, part spiritual hybrids, was an attempt to contaminate the bloodline of the coming Messiah.

If this hermeneutic view is accurate:

Luke 17:26 (KJV) And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

We should be seeing DNA tinkering, crossing the “kind” barrier, in an effort for transhumanism. Our government has publicly admitted they are engaged in such activities. To enhance humans for super-soldiers, war, the vigor’s of outer space. They are engaged in the legalities and legal definitions of such changes coming about.

Outer space has become weaponized, and many countries including our own, have created a “space force”. Consisting of humans that need to be modified in some way to enhance their durability, senses, stamina, and performance.

In my opinion, anything less than 100% human as the Lord created them, is not eligible for Salvation. As with the hybrids created between spiritual angelic beings and human women.

I also suspect the spirits of these dead Nephilim, part celestial, could be demons, the lowest rung of the evil spiritual ladder? I see no mention of demons or demonic possession prior to the deluge.

Hi Dennis, 

Would you please expand upon 
"I do not subscribe to the Cain-Seth view of Genesis 6:1-4, bêne ʼĕlôhîym is never used of men in the Bible. Elohiym basically means spirit, non-human flesh. The offspring of this union, produced men of renown (famous, known, standing apart)."

What is the Cain-Seth view?  

Also, 
"In the global deluge, the Lord chose to start all over again, getting rid of everything with “the breath of life”; man, air breathing animals, and plants. Apparently, not only was man’s heart continually evil, but the plants and animals had become corrupted also, how?"

I don't believe He had to get rid of them all because they were corrupted, as they were brought on the ark.  Just making sure that first influx and all the issues it caused were gone. 

What I find interesting and leads more to 'our being entertainment' and 'to bring Him pleasure' is that He let it go on for so long.  Sometimes I wonder if it was/is a big chess game that possibly could have ended differently.  I know if I had all the time in the world and had for all eternity, I would do something just like this, just to watch.  ALSO, the by product is exactly what you are looking for.  Tested, proved and ready for eternal life with the Consuming fire and another reason Satan was in the garden at the very 'in the beginning' of this age.  

Who knows?  We could be the billionth try.  The promises He makes to Himself are also very telling.  Almost like He has to give Himself guide lines.  He also tells us a few times that it was all about to be destroyed and speaks of it 'perishing' before so who knows.  CAN'T HARDLY WAIT till this age is over....I feel like we only have an atoms worth of knowledge right now, we can't even come to an agreement on ONE BOOK.  

I don't know, is this too way out to talk about?  Come to think of it I never really see anyone 'speculating' do I?  Maybe that would be a good thread, maybe not.   

Anyways thank you for the post, very interesting.       d
 

[Dennis1209]

3 minutes ago, Starise said:

I don't think you're onboard and that's ok. You might be very surprised at what's being produced in labs today. MOstly away from the public eye.

Would you be aware of what is available to basement scientists and the general public for the asking? Crisper cas9 kits and technology.

[DeighAnn]

15 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Again we see the Law of "Kinds" operate in Jesus' incarnation. According to Romans 5, sin and death came by "ONE MAN" and then passed on to all men. So our Lord Jesus, to avoid having Adam's "sin" (singular), must NOT come from Adam's seed (Lk.1:35). Thus, our Lord's "generation" is traced to Adam in Luke's gospel, and in the genealogy it is always recorded "... who was the son of ...". This genealogy is not to show that Jesus was of the line of Adam, but because the first woman came out of Adam BEFORE the fall, and Jesus is "Seed of the woman", he can be traced to Adam without the sin-nature. This Law of "kinds" is so fixed that your salvation  and your rebirth stands on it.

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever (1 Pe 1:23)

Lost me. How could He avoid it?  He had no choice but to come from Adams seed.  If Adam didn't sow there would be no bloodline, right?  I am stopping there for now so I don't get more confused.  Except for IF HE didn't have any sin nature then how could He relate to us?  Wasn't it so He could totally understand the 'lusting's' of the flesh, wasn't NOT SINNING when the body lusts after it that was the BIG accomplishment?  d

[NickyLouse]

I am not an expert on the Book of Enoch. I don't know whether it should be canon or not, but there may be some clues about this matter in it. Enoch was a man of faith. His book should not be dismissed because it might not be inspired by the Holy Spirit.

[Dennis1209]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

Hi Dennis, 

Would you please expand upon 
"I do not subscribe to the Cain-Seth view of Genesis 6:1-4, bêne ʼĕlôhîym is never used of men in the Bible. Elohiym basically means spirit, non-human flesh. The offspring of this union, produced men of renown (famous, known, standing apart)."

What is the Cain-Seth view?  

Also, 
"In the global deluge, the Lord chose to start all over again, getting rid of everything with “the breath of life”; man, air breathing animals, and plants. Apparently, not only was man’s heart continually evil, but the plants and animals had become corrupted also, how?"

I don't believe He had to get rid of them all because they were corrupted, as they were brought on the ark.  Just making sure that first influx and all the issues it caused were gone. 

What I find interesting and leads more to 'our being entertainment' and 'to bring Him pleasure' is that He let it go on for so long.  Sometimes I wonder if it was/is a big chess game that possibly could have ended differently.  I know if I had all the time in the world and had for all eternity, I would do something just like this, just to watch.  ALSO, the by product is exactly what you are looking for.  Tested, proved and ready for eternal life with the Consuming fire and another reason Satan was in the garden at the very 'in the beginning' of this age.  

Who knows?  We could be the billionth try.  The promises He makes to Himself are also very telling.  Almost like He has to give Himself guide lines.  He also tells us a few times that it was all about to be destroyed and speaks of it 'perishing' before so who knows.  CAN'T HARDLY WAIT till this age is over....I feel like we only have an atoms worth of knowledge right now, we can't even come to an agreement on ONE BOOK.  

I don't know, is this too way out to talk about?  Come to think of it I never really see anyone 'speculating' do I?  Maybe that would be a good thread, maybe not.   

Anyways thank you for the post, very interesting.       d
 

Many scholars and Bible teachers hold to the Cain-Sethite view of Genesis 6:1-4. The primary bases for their presumptions are:

Mark 12:25 (KJV) For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

For a detailed explanation of this view, Google it. But to be brief and in a nutshell: That view proposes the godly line of Seth intermingling with and marrying the ungodly line of Cain. In my opinion, and in the big scheme of things, it doesn’t make biblical or logical sense to me, it doesn’t hold water.

Their reasoning is, angels (spiritual beings) cannot physically copulate with human flesh. We know for sure; angels can transform themselves into some form of flesh. One example are the two angels who accompanied Jesus to visit Abraham, that ate and had the form of flesh. If it was not flesh, they sure fooled the Sodomites after relations with them. Those fallen angels did transform, and leave their estate and abode.

As we recall, Noah did not go out and herd the selected the animals himself. God directed the selected and choice animals to the Ark. Unless God directed Noah, how would Noah know if the animals DNA was still intact (perfect as created)? As always, these are only my thoughts, understanding, and some speculation thrown in.

Chess match: Yeah, I suppose in our vernacular we could describe it as a chess match between God and Satan. It’s interesting to read in the book of Job, the Satan (accuser) does not initiate this test on Job’s faithfulness and obedience, but our Lord Himself does.

There’s no doubt in my mind, monstrosities and hybrids are being created and tampered with all around the globe. It’s not just tinkering with and creating new and different strains, enhancements of chemical, biological, and plague weapons of war.

On a related topic, GMO food: In my research it is a scientific fact, GMO food is not as nutritious as organic food. Given the choice, animals and insects will always gravitate to organic food over GMO. How do they know and sense that?

Today, we mostly eat GMO food one way or another. Organic food and seed globally have gone the way of the Dodo bird. Major corporations like Monsanto hold the patents and rights to food. I have thought, could this play a part in the coming famines in the near Tribulation?

Here we went again. I never intend to write a long tirade; it just develops as I go?

[Justin Adams]

The "Sethite view" is very sexist and was imagined by Augustine to offset the obvious truth of Gen 6. It just does not hold water no matter how often you drown it. It is just ridiculous!!

[teddyv]

5 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

So, everything else with the breath of life was just unfortunate, a mistake, a byproduct?

Not sure what you are getting at. Noah was to take animals to repopulate the earth. Plants, from what I recall of the Hebrew perspective, were not alive as in the "breath of life".

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Many scholars and Bible teachers hold to the Cain-Sethite view of Genesis 6:1-4. The primary bases for their presumptions are:

Mark 12:25 (KJV) For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

For a detailed explanation of this view, Google it. But to be brief and in a nutshell: That view proposes the godly line of Seth intermingling with and marrying the ungodly line of Cain. In my opinion, and in the big scheme of things, it doesn’t make biblical or logical sense to me, it doesn’t hold water.

Their reasoning is, angels (spiritual beings) cannot physically copulate with human flesh. We know for sure; angels can transform themselves into some form of flesh. One example are the two angels who accompanied Jesus to visit Abraham, that ate and had the form of flesh. If it was not flesh, they sure fooled the Sodomites after relations with them. Those fallen angels did transform, and leave their estate and abode.

As we recall, Noah did not go out and herd the selected the animals himself. God directed the selected and choice animals to the Ark. Unless God directed Noah, how would Noah know if the animals DNA was still intact (perfect as created)? As always, these are only my thoughts, understanding, and some speculation thrown in.

Chess match: Yeah, I suppose in our vernacular we could describe it as a chess match between God and Satan. It’s interesting to read in the book of Job, the Satan (accuser) does not initiate this test on Job’s faithfulness and obedience, but our Lord Himself does.

There’s no doubt in my mind, monstrosities and hybrids are being created and tampered with all around the globe. It’s not just tinkering with and creating new and different strains, enhancements of chemical, biological, and plague weapons of war.

On a related topic, GMO food: In my research it is a scientific fact, GMO food is not as nutritious as organic food. Given the choice, animals and insects will always gravitate to organic food over GMO. How do they know and sense that?

Today, we mostly eat GMO food one way or another. Organic food and seed globally have gone the way of the Dodo bird. Major corporations like Monsanto hold the patents and rights to food. I have thought, could this play a part in the coming famines in the near Tribulation?

Here we went again. I never intend to write a long tirade; it just develops as I go?

Please do me a favor and when writing in response to me allow what ever to go forth.  It's very rare that I PERSONALLY find something to be too long.  

Let me see if I got it.  They believe that the children of Cain mixed with the children of Seth and giants were created.  They don't believe it was fallen angels because of the not taking and giving in marriage.   

They didn't get to have relations with the angels in Sodom,  they were blinded instead, right?  

And I was talking just the other day because I noticed I don't hardly like food anymore.  I noticed I don't buy hardly any meat anymore because I just don't like it.  I am not and never have been a vegetarian ON purpose but it is all so blah.  Almost all food is  blah.  Not even Ice cream tastes like it once did.   I just thought I was getting old.  Not a bad time for it though.  

Thank you for the answers.  Much appreciated.....   d