Jerusalem is Falling #2

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On 2/28/2022 at 4:59 PM, WilliamL said:

So you really think that the Jews were saved by God, sometime after the days of Ezekiel,

Yes

 

On 2/28/2022 at 4:59 PM, WilliamL said:

in a miracle so great that it equals or exceeds any miracle found in the Bible -

I think that there are many miracles that exceed the Ezek 38-39, passage.

The life of Jesus and the resurrection of Jesus, for one example.

Where are the things written in Jewish history about Him?

We only have a few letters from fishermen, a tax collector, and a physician.

But nothing from the "official" scriptural Jewish writings recognizing that Jesus was a real person.

Do you require proof that Jesus was resurrected?

You won't find it.

It is, after all, a matter of faith.

 

On 2/28/2022 at 4:59 PM, WilliamL said:

- and the Jews forgot about it??

I don't think that they intentionally forgot about it.

It was probably destroyed with other writings of Israel's history when Jerusalem was sacked and burned over the centuries.

 

On 2/28/2022 at 4:59 PM, WilliamL said:

(If I was a Jew, I would be extremely insulted.)

I don't believe that they would be insulted that writings of history were destroyed thousands of years ago, something that no one alive today had anything to do with.

 

On 2/28/2022 at 4:59 PM, WilliamL said:

Such an idea is pure fantasy.

Not fantasy, historical reality. 

 

On 2/28/2022 at 4:59 PM, WilliamL said:

Oh, and all the nations also forgot, and never recorded it?  --

I believe that Israel and the other nations did record the events of Ezek 38-39.

But they, like so many other things, were burnt or destroyed, or remain undiscovered.

 

On 2/28/2022 at 4:59 PM, WilliamL said:

Ezekiel 39:21 “I will set My glory among the nations; all the nations shall see My judgment which I have executed, and My hand which I have laid on them.

The people of the time after Ezekiel did see this happen.

 

On 2/28/2022 at 4:59 PM, WilliamL said:

Already have explained this many times. Your second sentence derives from tunnel vision.

You agree that the weapons are as described, bows and arrows, spears, etc..

It is the time period of when they are used that you are disputing.

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You seem to believe that everything that was recorded throughout history would survive for thousands of years.

But history shows otherwise.

2 Kings 22:1-10, 8, 10, shows that even the Law of Moses was lost for a time.

Where is the Ark of the Covenant? Lost to history.

Where is the lineage of the Levitical Priesthood? Lost to history.

Many of the people and events of the Bible have yet to be confirmed. Only in the last hundred years have archaeologists uncovered evidence of some of the kings and events of the Bible.

Many of the records of ancient history are known to have been destroyed when the seven cities and libraries of Alexander the Great were destroyed. They were said to contain the history of the world, including copies of the books that Noah brought with him on the ark.

The last of these libraries was destroyed during the time of Antony and Cleopatra.

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So your theory that because there are no records of the event, that it "proves" that the event never took place, or could never have taken place, is, .... without substance.

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On 3/3/2022 at 1:23 PM, WilliamL said:

Catch up to biblical reality. After the Flood of Noah, mankind had to start over from scratch. The ancients had some major technologies that were lost, some for all time.

I agree.

Noah did have an advantage in that he had flocks, animals, and knowledge.

 

On 3/3/2022 at 1:23 PM, WilliamL said:

Same thing will take place in the End Times, which, as Jesus told us, will be "like the days of Noah" in their destructiveness.

Matt 24, Mk 13, Lk 21, 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem, primarily.

 

On 3/3/2022 at 1:23 PM, WilliamL said:

By the time all the 7 Seals, 7 Trumpets, and initial Bowls will have done completed their destruction, men will indeed be reduced to fighting with "wooden shields,  bows, arrows, and spears."

When the 7th trumpet sounds and the 7th vial/bowl is poured out, there will not be any human life left on this planet.

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On 2/28/2022 at 8:50 AM, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Gog and Magog happen after the 1000 years.

"And when the 1000 years are finished...
Gog and Magog.." Revelation 20:7-8

The details surrounding the battles are different.

In Ezek 38-39, the enemies are destroyed in the mountains before they reach Jerusalem.

In Rev 20, they surround Jerusalem.

 

On 2/28/2022 at 8:50 AM, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Ezekiel and Revelation are giving the same prophecy
concerning the coming resurrections.

The order that the texts give speaks for itself:

Ezekiel 37:1-14 = Resurrections
Ezekiel 37:14-28 = Reign
Ezekiel 38 and 39 = Gog and Magog

Revelation 20:4-5 = Resurrections
Revelation 20:5-7 = Reign
Revelation 20:7-10 = Gog and Magog.

The Ezek 37 passage is showing the national Israel returning from Babylon and the beginnings of the Pentecost gospel kingdom in 33 AD.

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The Rev 20 passage shows the first resurrection, which was Jesus in 33 AD. 

Then the millennium period of the kingdom on planet earth which began on Pentecost.

The Rev 20 second resurrection ends in fire, followed by the last judgment.

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The Ezek passage does not show the second resurrection when Jesus comes for the kingdom, 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24. 

 

On 2/28/2022 at 8:50 AM, Desopixi Seilynam said:

"...neither shall they be divided into two nations any more at all"
       Ezekiel 37:22
       "Also Judah took Gaza..." Judges 1:18
        And Joshua 22 describes the territory of Gad and half of Manasseh
       which today is in modern Jordan.
       Therefore Ezekiel 37:22 clearly does not apply to the 'state' of Israel today,
       the territory today is less than half of the original,
       and they don't have Gaza, the place is divided into three general nations,
       with generally three governing bodies;
       one in Gaza, one in the West Bank, and one in Israel.

The restoration of Israel is based on the restoration of the military control of the city of Jerusalem and not the land mass territory of the nation, Lk 21:24.

 

On 2/28/2022 at 8:50 AM, Desopixi Seilynam said:

What happened in 1948-1967 was the beginning of another captivity.

1967 Ended the captivity of Israel in the gentile nations by the restoration of Jerusalem.

 

On 2/28/2022 at 8:50 AM, Desopixi Seilynam said:

It was not some great restoration of Israel, Israel is still divided,

Jerusalem is restored, that is all that is required, Lk 21:24.

 

On 2/28/2022 at 8:50 AM, Desopixi Seilynam said:

we are still awaiting the return of the Messiah.

Yes, but His coming at the second resurrection ends in fire and the last judgment, Rev 20.

 

On 2/28/2022 at 8:50 AM, Desopixi Seilynam said:

When He returns, Israel's dead men shall rise,

This part is true.

 

On 2/28/2022 at 8:50 AM, Desopixi Seilynam said:

and be brought back very gloriously to Israel.

Not to this land mass Israel, but to the eternal city in heaven, Heb 12.

 

On 2/28/2022 at 8:50 AM, Desopixi Seilynam said:

David will be literally resurrected; Jeremiah 30:9

King David was resurrected with Jesus and the other OT saints. 

They are in heaven fight now ruling by the words of their testimony.

 

On 2/28/2022 at 8:50 AM, Desopixi Seilynam said:

and so we know Ezekiel 37:24 is talking about literally David.

David is Jesus, who sits on the eternal throne of David in heaven.

 

On 2/28/2022 at 8:50 AM, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Those resurrections did not happen in 1948, David has not been resurrected yet,
the Messiah has not returned yet.

He will return, raising Israel from death, and placing them back in their land,
we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, an exceedingly great army, Ezekiel 37:9-10,
and we will reign for 1000 years, then Gog and Magog will try to attack
but will be put down by the final fire.

The 1000 years began on Pentecost when the Kingdom on planet earth began, just after the resurrection of Jesus in 33 AD.

The 1000 years is almost over and will end at the second resurrection after Jerusalem is surrounded.

Which is happening right now.

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The first resurrection is Jesus in 33 AD, and always will be.

 

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Brothers and Sisters,

Please turn your eyes to Israel.

Can't you see that Jerusalem will soon fall to the kings of the east?

Wake Up!

Look what is happening!

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I hesitate, to press souls to see the reality of prophecy coming true before our eyes.

This is not a good prophecy to hear.

It is the hardest prophecy to speak.

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But this is what some say, "We are years away from these events", well that may be true, but it is not 1000 years or 100 years.

The trouble is, that we are staring at the circumstances surrounding the 7th trumpet, the 7th vial/bowl, and the end of the millennium, which are all the same event, just before the last judgment.

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When the 7th trumpet sounds, it is the end of human life on this planet.

When the 7th vial/bowl is poured out, it is the end of human life on this planet.

When the Rev 20, fire from heaven comes, it is the end of human life on this planet.

Look at each of these events.

Look at the circumstances surrounding each of them.

Each one shows armies headed for restored Jerusalem.

These things are in motion Now!

How long will it be? I can't tell in the time of men.

But it is here.

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Oh, So you want it to come to pass before you consider it?

Maybe some are thinking, "I'll wait until the battle of Armageddon is underway, then I'll maybe believe it".

Or, "When Jerusalem is about to fall, then I'll consider it".

"After Jerusalem falls, then I'll want to understand."

And after Jerusalem has fallen and the events described in the  Rev 11:1-13, 8-10, about the 2 witnesses are seen by everybody, maybe then you will understand that Jesus is coming.

The 2 witnesses are the faithful children of Israel who fled into the wilderness of the gentile nations in the 70 AD ish period. (The church,  Pentecost gospel kingdom.)  

3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls, comes the resurrection/rapture, the 7th trumpet, the 7th vial, and the fire from heaven of Rev 20.

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The Bridegroom is coming!

Trim your wick.

Add more oil.

Rise and Rejoice!

We have arrived at the door to heaven!

The Bridegroom is coming!

3 1/2 Days after Jerusalem falls.

Sweet and bitter scroll.

Bitter, Bitter, Bitter, Painful, Heartbreaking, Disaster, Misery, Poison, Death.

Who will speak the bitter news?

If you believe that is what the Bible says, then you have no choice.

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I think of Noah, he told the people that he loved that their world was coming to an end.

And the Apostles, that told the people of Jerusalem that their city and temple would be destroyed.

And now it falls to us, the souls in Jesus, who must speak to our generations.

Acts 2:38-39.

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The 7 times are not years, they are showing the same time period as the statue in Dan 2, the times of the gentiles until Jerusalem is restored, 1967.

First 3 1/2 times, Babylon until the great scattering of 70 AD, Dan 12:7.

Second 3 1/2 times, 70 AD until 1967, when Jerusalem is restored, and the toes end.

Then the stone strikes and the last judgment of wheat and chaff.

We are in the short period between the end of the toes and the stone striking.

The stone will strike, exactly, 3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls to the kings of the east and the forces of Magog the gentile nations.

It is here.

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[Desopixi Seilynam]

On 3/4/2022 at 9:37 PM, abcdef said:

Jerusalem is restored, that is all that is required, Lk 21:24.

It does not fulfill Ezekiel 37:22; it clearly states "neither shall they be divided into two nations any more at all" So Ezekiel is talking about restoration of a whole a nation not just Jerusalem.

"And Jerusalem will be trodden down of the Gentiles,
until the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled."

From 1948 to 1967 half of Jerusalem was literally desolate and uninhabited,
from 1967 parts of Israel and Jerusalem have only become increasingly desolate.
There are still military checkpoints in and around Jerusalem and Israel
that literally divide the place all up.

 btselem org/freedom_of_movement/checkpoints_and_forbidden_roads

 

I saw thrones, and they that sat on them,
and judgment was given unto them,
and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded
for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God,
and which had not worshiped the beast...
and they lived and reigned with Christ 1000 years.

But the rest of the dead lived not again
until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.

Revelation 20:4-5

 

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On 3/7/2022 at 6:51 AM, Desopixi Seilynam said:

It does not fulfill Ezekiel 37:22; it clearly states "neither shall they be divided into two nations any more at all" So Ezekiel is talking about restoration of a whole a nation not just Jerusalem.

In the time between Solomon and Ezekiel they were Israel and Judah.

At this present time they are only Israel, and not Israel and Judah.

 

On 3/7/2022 at 6:51 AM, Desopixi Seilynam said:

"And Jerusalem will be trodden down of the Gentiles,
until the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled."

Lk 21:24, The complete times of the gentiles is equal to the statue in Dan. 2.

To complete the times of the gentiles Jesus said that Jerusalem had to come under the control of the children of Israel, which happened in 1967.

Military control of Jerusalem  is all that is required according to Lk 21:24.

 

On 3/7/2022 at 6:51 AM, Desopixi Seilynam said:

From 1948 to 1967 half of Jerusalem was literally desolate and uninhabited,
from 1967 parts of Israel and Jerusalem have only become increasingly desolate.
There are still military checkpoints in and around Jerusalem and Israel
that literally divide the place all up.

 btselem org/freedom_of_movement/checkpoints_and_forbidden_roads

The "trampling" is showing control.

Yes, there are gentiles living there.

Yes there are checkpoints.

But the military of Israel controls those checkpoints and the roads.

 

On 3/7/2022 at 6:51 AM, Desopixi Seilynam said:

I saw thrones, and they that sat on them,
and judgment was given unto them,
and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded
for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God,
and which had not worshiped the beast...
and they lived and reigned with Christ 1000 years.

But the rest of the dead lived not again
until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.

Revelation 20:4-5

Paul states plainly in 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24, that  Jesus is the first resurrection.

There cannot be any resurrections after Jesus that are the first resurrection. Any resurrections after the first would be the second, third, fourth, or fifth, etc..

 

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My brother, 

Now I will ask you to please consider that the first resurrection of Rev 20, is showing the resurrection of Jesus in 33 AD.

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Please look at this,

The Rev 20 passage is parallel to 1 Cor 15:23-28.

Both show a first resurrection.

Both show a second resurrection.

Both show, and this is important, when death is destroyed.

We know that death is destroyed only once, so the 2 passages must be parallel.

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Those who live and reign with Jesus are souls that were resurrected with Jesus. This is confirmed by John 5:25, Eph 4:8.

Those who were beheaded is a reference to John the Baptist.

They rule our lives in the kingdom by the words in the Bible that they left us, Behold the Lamb of God. 

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[WilliamL]

On 3/4/2022 at 7:44 PM, abcdef said:

Where are the things written in Jewish history about Him?

We only have a few letters from fishermen, a tax collector, and a physician.

But nothing from the "official" scriptural Jewish writings recognizing that Jesus was a real person.

Again, you show an ignorance of history. Both Roman records and those of Josephus most definitely mention Jesus. Orthodox Jews of that era anathematized his name from being mentioned, both because they believed Him to be a false Messiah, and also because they wanted to suppress often-successful proselytizing in Him. (Same general reason that Trump is banned from Facebook etc.)

As far as you thinking that the Jews would have forgotten a tremendous victory of Israel that fulfilled Ezek. 38-39, again, Josephus most certainly would have recorded it in his Antiquities of the Jews if it had occurred. He recorded much lesser events that occurred between the time of Ezekiel and Christ; he would not have then missed that much greater one.

 

 

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2 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Again, you show an ignorance of history.

My brother, Please.

 

2 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Both Roman records and those of Josephus most definitely mention Jesus.

Josephus did not know Jesus and just repeated what others said regarding him. 

That is not "hard" evidence that Jesus ever existed or was resurrected.

 

2 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Orthodox Jews of that era anathematized his name from being mentioned, both because they believed Him to be a false Messiah, and also because they wanted to suppress often-successful proselytizing in Him.

So you agree that their are no "official" records of the Jews in the 33 AD time period that speak of Jesus.

 

2 hours ago, WilliamL said:

(Same general reason that Trump is banned from Facebook etc.)

The accuser of the brethren should be banned.

 

2 hours ago, WilliamL said:

As far as you thinking that the Jews would have forgotten a tremendous victory of Israel that fulfilled Ezek. 38-39, again, Josephus most certainly would have recorded it in his Antiquities of the Jews if it had occurred. He recorded much lesser events that occurred between the time of Ezekiel and Christ; he would not have then missed that much greater one.

Just because it is not mentioned by Josephus doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

Again the records were probably lost.

Where is the Ark of the Covenant?

Where are the records of the linage of the Levites?

These are just as important, or of greater importance than the Magog battle in Ezek 38-39.

They are lost to history.

Your "proof" that it didn't happen because there are no surviving records is, not proof at all.

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You say in one post that the Ezek 38-39 battle would have been recorded or not forgotten over 1000's of years.

But just a few posts later, you say that in a very few years, at 6th vial, that people would forget how to make guns and bombs.

You are saying that people would remember something from 2400 years ago, but forget how to make modern weapons in, say, 7 years, or less?

Kind of a contradiction isn't it?

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[Desopixi Seilynam]

On 3/8/2022 at 10:16 AM, abcdef said:

But the military of Israel controls those checkpoints and the roads.

"How are the things of Esau searched out!
how are his hidden things sought up!"
Obadiah 1:6

"And I hated Esau... Whereas Edom says, we are impoverished,
but we will return and build the desolate places;
Thus says the Lord, they may build, but I will throw down..."
Malachi 1:3-4

"For the violence against thy brother Jacob,
shame shall cover thee, and you shall be cut off forever."

"In the day that the strangers carried away captive
his people, and foreigners entered into his gates,
and casts lots upon Jerusalem, even you were as one of them."

"You should not have gloated over your brother
in the day that he became a stranger."

"You should not have entered into the gates
of my people in the day of their calamity."

"Neither should you have stood in the crossroads
to cut off those of his that did escape
neither should you have made captive those of his that did remain"
Obadiah 1:10-14

[those checkpoints, at crossroads, literally enslave people today,
because of those checkpoints it can be very hard for people
to do basic things like go to the grocery store.
And I know you'll say that Obadiah happened already
but let us read on]

"Because the day of the Lord is near....
And deliverers shall come up on mount Zion
to judge the mount of Esau;
and the kingdom shall be the Lords."
Obadiah 1:15,21

Sure sounds like an end time passage to me.

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"Those who were beheaded"

Is not a reference to one person who was beheaded,
but to those who were beheaded, just as it says.

 

"There shall be a resurrection of the dead,
of both the just and the unjust"
Acts 24:15

 

1. Ezekiel 37:1-15  Resurrection of the just
2. Ezekiel 37:15-28 Reign of the Messiah
3.  Ezekiel 38 and 39 Gog and Magog
 

1.  1 Corinthians 15:23 Resurrection of the just

      "afterwards, they that are Christ's at His coming"

2.  1 Corinthians 15:24 -25 Reign/Kingdom given to God.
3.  1 Corinthians 15:25-26  no more death

 

And Revelation is the book that gets very specific,
shedding light on all the above passages.

1. Revelation 20:4-5 Resurrection of the just
2. Revelation 20:5-7 Reign
3. Revelation 20:7-10 Gog and Magog

Revelation 20:11-13 Resurrection of the unjust.

Revelation 21:3 Kingdom given to God
Revelation 21:4 "no more death"

 

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5 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

"How are the things of Esau searched out!
how are his hidden things sought up!"
Obadiah 1:6

"And I hated Esau... Whereas Edom says, we are impoverished,
but we will return and build the desolate places;
Thus says the Lord, they may build, but I will throw down..."
Malachi 1:3-4

"For the violence against thy brother Jacob,
shame shall cover thee, and you shall be cut off forever."

"In the day that the strangers carried away captive
his people, and foreigners entered into his gates,
and casts lots upon Jerusalem, even you were as one of them."

"You should not have gloated over your brother
in the day that he became a stranger."

"You should not have entered into the gates
of my people in the day of their calamity."

"Neither should you have stood in the crossroads
to cut off those of his that did escape
neither should you have made captive those of his that did remain"
Obadiah 1:10-14

[those checkpoints, at crossroads, literally enslave people today,
because of those checkpoints it can be very hard for people
to do basic things like go to the grocery store.
And I know you'll say that Obadiah happened already
but let us read on]

"Because the day of the Lord is near....
And deliverers shall come up on mount Zion
to judge the mount of Esau;
and the kingdom shall be the Lords."
Obadiah 1:15,21

Sure sounds like an end time passage to me.

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"Those who were beheaded"

Is not a reference to one person who was beheaded,
but to those who were beheaded, just as it says.

 

"There shall be a resurrection of the dead,
of both the just and the unjust"
Acts 24:15

 

1. Ezekiel 37:1-15  Resurrection of the just
2. Ezekiel 37:15-28 Reign of the Messiah
3.  Ezekiel 38 and 39 Gog and Magog
 

1.  1 Corinthians 15:23 Resurrection of the just

      "afterwards, they that are Christ's at His coming"

2.  1 Corinthians 15:24 -25 Reign/Kingdom given to God.
3.  1 Corinthians 15:25-26  no more death

 

And Revelation is the book that gets very specific,
shedding light on all the above passages.

1. Revelation 20:4-5 Resurrection of the just
2. Revelation 20:5-7 Reign
3. Revelation 20:7-10 Gog and Magog

Revelation 20:11-13 Resurrection of the unjust.

Revelation 21:3 Kingdom given to God
Revelation 21:4 "no more death"

 

As you post 1 Corinthians 15:23-24 that clearly shows at the Lords return the resurrection takes place (Then Cometh The End)

There won't be a 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on the earth following 

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

1 Corinthians 15:23-24KJV

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

"Destroyed Them All"

Luke 17:29-30KJV

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

"The World, And All That Dwell Therein"

Nahum 1:5KJV

5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.

Edited March 11, 2022 by truth7t7