Male and female created He them.

[JohnR7]

Genesis 5:2 "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created".

This verse actually has a A, B, C, & D. But I really want to deal with the part in the title: Male & Female.  The problem is, how do we do that. What does it mean that God made us male and female. The Rabbi say God divided us to join us back together again. If we look at: "In the day they were created". I wonder what day we are talking about here. That may help us to understand part A where we are told Male and Female He created them.

Hebrew is a VERY exact and VERY precise language. Just as the cosmos and the universe is very exact and precise. 

This is the issue. There was a girl across the street in her early 20's that was married to another girl. They had a Los Vegas marriage because one of the girls is from Australia and she needed a green card. Now they are seperated and she is claiming that she was abused so that she can continue to file for her American citizenship, even though she is no longer married. I am of the opinion that she was abused. Not as much for her "wife" as from her "mother in law". 

Now what does one have to do with the other. Again for the third time, we are talking about the title. God made them Male & Female and called them Adam. How can you have female and female. How can you have wife and wife when God made us male and female, husband and wife. He made us man and a women in Genesis chapter two. God made male and female in Genesis chapter ONE. If we study our HIGH School Biology book there was male and female going back to the very beginning of life. Back when we were sludge in a pond. 

I do not want to confuse people and a whole book can be written about this. Male and Female goes back 180 million years. This is based on sex that goes back 2 billion years. A day is a literal 24 hour day, also 1,000 years, but a day at least the first day was actually a billion years. Then day two was half a billion years. If you study astro physics on a PhD level. 

Again I am going to ask the question ONE more time: What does this mean in the TITLE: "Male and female created He them"? He created them, He blessed them, He called them Adam or man. In the day they were created which was 6,000 years ago, and 180 million years ago. Because this is a referance to the geneology of Adam and Eve IF you look at verse ONE: geneology. 

תּוֹלְדֹ֖ת tō-wl-ḏōṯ

[Starise]

Well I think it's pretty clear. 

The problems today have to do with brainwashing the general public over time and not differentiating between loving the sinner and accepting the behavior as normalized. Even to the point of allowing that lifestyle in a pastor in some apostate churches.

If I'm gay and I acknowledge it's a sin and repent of it .vs continuing the practice with no remorse whatsoever........well those are two very different things with two very different outcomes.

[AdHoc]

7 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

Genesis 5:2 "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created".

This verse actually has a A, B, C, & D. But I really want to deal with the part in the title: Male & Female.  The problem is, how do we do that. What does it mean that God made us male and female. The Rabbi say God divided us to join us back together again. If we look at: "In the day they were created". I wonder what day we are talking about here. That may help us to understand part A where we are told Male and Female He created them.

Hebrew is a VERY exact and VERY precise language. Just as the cosmos and the universe is very exact and precise. 

This is the issue. There was a girl across the street in her early 20's that was married to another girl. They had a Los Vegas marriage because one of the girls is from Australia and she needed a green card. Now they are seperated and she is claiming that she was abused so that she can continue to file for her American citizenship, even though she is no longer married. I am of the opinion that she was abused. Not as much for her "wife" as from her "mother in law". 

Now what does one have to do with the other. Again for the third time, we are talking about the title. God made them Male & Female and called them Adam. How can you have female and female. How can you have wife and wife when God made us male and female, husband and wife. He made us man and a women in Genesis chapter two. God made male and female in Genesis chapter ONE. If we study our HIGH School Biology book there was male and female going back to the very beginning of life. Back when we were sludge in a pond. 

I do not want to confuse people and a whole book can be written about this. Male and Female goes back 180 million years. This is based on sex that goes back 2 billion years. A day is a literal 24 hour day, also 1,000 years, but a day at least the first day was actually a billion years. Then day two was half a billion years. If you study astro physics on a PhD level. 

Again I am going to ask the question ONE more time: What does this mean in the TITLE: "Male and female created He them"? He created them, He blessed them, He called them Adam or man. In the day they were created which was 6,000 years ago, and 180 million years ago. Because this is a referance to the geneology of Adam and Eve IF you look at verse ONE: geneology. 

תּוֹלְדֹ֖ת tō-wl-ḏōṯ

The context is twofold; (i) In what manner were the growing population generated, and (ii) what was their end.

1. God's principle, because He is the Author of life, is that He needs only to create ONE of each species. Then, He needs only to take part of that ONE specie and build a second. Then, to generate the third, fourth and ..... millionth, He needs only to create these creatures with their SEED in them. According to the Law of "kinds" in Genesis 1:11-12, every species will produce the same kind. This Law is central to God's purpose. On it hang two vital realities. They are; (i) Jesus must be 100% Man since He came from "man-KIND", and (ii) your rebirth infused divine life into your human spirit and made you a son of God.

So when God made Adam, EVERY human-KIND was IN Adam - starting with Eve. So when God made Adam, because the WO-man was IN him, it is completely accurate to say that He created THEM. But the matter is still deeper. In Genesis 2:7 we see that God made man by uniting three parts - (i) a body from the elements was "formed" ("yatsar" in the Hebrew), and (ii) God's vitality, which is "spirit" because He is a Spirit (Jn.4:24), was added to the clay man. Since god has always existed the spirit of man was not created, but "made" (of existing materials - "asah" in the Hebrew). But the third part of man had never existed before. Man "BECAME" a living SOUL. This part of man, having not existed before is "created" ("bara" in the Hebrew). Thus, in gathering Israel's peoples from dispersion, God inspired Isaiah to write concerning "every ONE";

6 I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth; 7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him. (Is 43:6–7)

2. So Genesis 5 records the way all men are "generated" from one - Adam, and why God can use the plural "them". And the story should have ended there. But it didn't. The word "died" is used eight times. Adam and Eve, had not "generated" anyone when they sinned. The seed of Adam was irretrievably changed. If Adam had not sinned Genesis 5:3 would have read

3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his God's likeness, after God's image;

But Adam was no longer exactly like God. Something had happened to the man. Sin and death had changed Adam, so we read in Romans 5;

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: ... 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, ... .

The Law of KINDS in Genesis 1:11-12 worked perfectly again, and Seth was like Adam not God like Adam was in Genesis 5:1.

Our rebirth and the Church are formed under the same Law. In John 12:24 our Lord Jesus, depicted by a grain of wheat, had IN HIM all Christians who would ever be born again. So, as He died and His "shell" was broken in death, all that were IN Him were released. And this same principle, or Law, made us heirs to the Covenant of Promise made to Abraham - without ever being born an Israelite. Galatians 3:28 alludes to the New Man - a New Creature, which has its origin, not in Jacob or Adam, but IN Christ (2nd Cor.5:17). And verse 29 says that because Christ was Heir to the Covenant, and we are His, we too are heirs.

God only needs to create ONE, and so we read in Acts 17:24–26;

24 God that made the world and all things therein, ..., seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, ... .

[JohnR7]

6 hours ago, Starise said:

 

If I'm gay and I acknowledge it's a sin and repent of it .vs continuing the practice with no remorse whatsoever........well those are two very different things with two very different outcomes.

I think the real problem is when we set a wrong example for others. We are told a humble sinner is justified before God in Luke 18 14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

[JohnR7]

4 hours ago, AdHoc said:

sin entered into the world, and death by sin

I did a study on the cause of death before Adam. CAin was concerned in Genesis 4:14 "whoever finds me will kill me." He was exactly right before Adam people died from violence. Their remains were investigated as a murder before they found out how old the remains were. They had a spear head in them or their skull was crushed or something like that. Also they were all 30 years of age. Which means they could have been 1000 but they simply did not age pat 30. 

I was in a church where the pastor preached for over a years on what it means to have the mind of christ. Every sermon was on a different aspect of having the mind of Christ or the divine thoughts of God. There are many many scriptures about the mind of Christ. You could easily fill up a dictionary with the different aspects of the mind that make up the mind of Christ. 

"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God": Philippians 2:5 This is a chunk of change here. To have the Mind of Christ means we can understand God and the thoughts of God. We will all be of one mind and one accord: "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be like minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind." Phil 2:2

[appy]

You have spoken about your neighbor's not long ago in another thread. Please don't make this an “us vs them” issue to them. The thing to do is pray that God will open their hearts to not only hear the gospel message, but experience repentance and salvation. When sharing the gospel, share it in the same way you would anyone else. Don't make an issue about their lifestyle.

In others words, when speaking to them; do NOT make comparisons between them and other people. Zeroing in on their lifestyle.  They are humans in need of a Savior. For if you begin making comparisons, all you will have accomplished, is making them resent Christians and the gospel message. And will drive them further away from God and make it more difficult for other Christians to also minister to them.

Everybody has sinned, so no one can claim they are better than your neighbor's across the street from you. The same gospel message is preached to all. Share with them what God has done for you, and how he has changed your life. Let the Holy Spirit do the convicting and convincing that the gospel message is true.

 

[Who me]

It is always worth knowing the facts.

Facts about instability of living together, violence in gay relationships, etc etc

Wintery knight is a good source for these.

link to violence in gay relationships:- https://winteryknight.com/2020/06/02/domestic-violence-rates-are-higher-for-homosexual-couples-than-for-heterosexual-couples-4/

[AdHoc]

12 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

I did a study on the cause of death before Adam. CAin was concerned in Genesis 4:14 "whoever finds me will kill me." He was exactly right before Adam people died from violence. Their remains were investigated as a murder before they found out how old the remains were. They had a spear head in them or their skull was crushed or something like that. Also they were all 30 years of age. Which means they could have been 1000 but they simply did not age pat 30. 

Yes. The Bible does not say that Cain was not killed. It says only that he was given a mark to indicate to the would-be killer of God's threat of a seven-fold punishment. But the violence continued and only the flood of Noah stemmed it a bit, especially with the death sentence commanded by God in His Covenant of the Rainbow. But even if men escaped the death penalty (as many have), God can afford to wait. He always has the last word and the Lake of Fire sounds terrifying.

 

13 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

I was in a church where the pastor preached for over a years on what it means to have the mind of christ. Every sermon was on a different aspect of having the mind of Christ or the divine thoughts of God. There are many many scriptures about the mind of Christ. You could easily fill up a dictionary with the different aspects of the mind that make up the mind of Christ. 

Agreed. What higher thing is there than to HAVE the mind of Christ? I can't think of one.

[Starise]

14 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

I think the real problem is when we set a wrong example for others. We are told a humble sinner is justified before God in Luke 18 14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

What are you implying when you quoted me and said this? If I had gay neighbors I would treat them like any other neighbors. 

What society wants from all of us is an admission that the lifestyle is normal. The conditioning has been successful to the point of making Christians feel ashamed to call sin sin.

What does a "humble sinner" look like? It isn't for us to judge what we think is in a man's or woman's heart. We can however see what it isn't when we see people openly and unashamedly participating in what the bible clearly says is sin. THAT my friend is not repentance. THAT is rebellion.

The humble sinner repents and turns away. 

 

 

 

[JohnR7]

On 3/8/2022 at 1:31 PM, Starise said:

If I had gay neighbors I would treat them like any other neighbors. 

They are not like other neighbors though. They expect you to understand that.