Essential Biblical Eschatology

[WilliamL]

2 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

How many of those 14 verses use sun, moon, and 12 stars?

Just one.

[Last Daze]

3 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Just one.

Nope. Two.  One states 12.  The other infers 12.  I'm pretty sure you knew that.

• He also told it to his father as well as to his brothers; and his father rebuked him and said to him, “What is this dream that you have had? Am I and your mother and your brothers actually going to come to bow down to the ground before you?”  Genesis 37:10

[Marilyn C]

10 hours ago, Last Daze said:

Thanks Marilyn.  I see the difference you're making.  What I don't see is that it is separated by much time.  The difference between the two is that one is for the believers, the other for unbelievers.  According to how I understand prophecy, that all happens on the same day.  Believers receive immortality (day of Christ) and the wicked are destroyed in judgment (day of the LORD). 

Hi Last Daze,

So do you see yourself in this scripture?

`For behold, the LORD comes out of His place to PUNISH THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH for their iniquity;....` (Isa. 26: 21) 

[Diaste]

19 hours ago, Last Daze said:

Took the words right out of my mouth.

And was there a great tribulation that was worse than the global flood that took place in the first century?  Did Christ return in the first century and destroy the man of sin who committed the abomination of desolation?  I haven't heard of anything of the sort.

Yes. I have asked about that very idea. Haven't heard a thing.

 

[Last Daze]

13 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Last Daze,

So do you see yourself in this scripture?

`For behold, the LORD comes out of His place to PUNISH THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH for their iniquity;....` (Isa. 26: 21) 

Let's give it some context:

Come, my people, enter your rooms
And close your doors behind you;
Hide for a little while
Until indignation runs its course.
For behold, the Lord is about to come out from His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their wrongdoing;
And the earth will reveal her bloodshed
And will no longer cover her slain.  Isaiah 26:20-21

God's people will shelter in place.  Then He punishes the wicked. 

Jesus descends to the clouds, makes immortal those who are His at the last trumpet on the last day.  Then the wicked are punished.

[Marilyn C]

8 hours ago, Last Daze said:

Let's give it some context:

Come, my people, enter your rooms
And close your doors behind you;
Hide for a little while
Until indignation runs its course.
For behold, the Lord is about to come out from His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their wrongdoing;
And the earth will reveal her bloodshed
And will no longer cover her slain.  Isaiah 26:20-21

God's people will shelter in place.  Then He punishes the wicked. 

Jesus descends to the clouds, makes immortal those who are His at the last trumpet on the last day.  Then the wicked are punished.

Hi Last Daze,

So good to have the context. And we know that the Body of Christ was not revealed in past times, (Eph. 3: 5) so God is talking to His people ISRAEL there.

And going back to the beginning of the chapter we see `this song shall be sung in the land of JUDAH. ` (Isa. 26: 1)

Thus we understand the God is telling His people of the nation of Israel to `hide,` (as He did in Matt. 24: 15 - 20). 

We, the Body of Christ will have gone to our eternal inheritance with Christ on His throne in glory, before the tribulation starts, before God`s wrath is poured out on the rebellious, before the judgments begin.

[Last Daze]

4 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Last Daze,

So good to have the context. And we know that the Body of Christ was not revealed in past times, (Eph. 3: 5) so God is talking to His people ISRAEL there.

And going back to the beginning of the chapter we see `this song shall be sung in the land of JUDAH. ` (Isa. 26: 1)

Thus we understand the God is telling His people of the nation of Israel to `hide,` (as He did in Matt. 24: 15 - 20). 

We, the Body of Christ will have gone to our eternal inheritance with Christ on His throne in glory, before the tribulation starts, before God`s wrath is poured out on the rebellious, before the judgments begin.

I know that's what you think.

As I've mentioned before I don't want to get into natural vs. spiritual Israel and who "God's people" are.

On 3/10/2022 at 9:47 AM, Last Daze said:

I realize that what one person deems essential, another may not, and vice-versa.  The role that "Israel" plays in eschatology is often debated, usually as it pertains to the spiritual or natural understanding of the term.  I'm not a proponent of separating OT believers from NT believers as some dispensationalists are.  The one passage that I see as addressing both natural and spiritual Israel is found in Revelation 12.

• So the dragon was enraged with the woman [natural], and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus [spiritual].  Revelation 12:17

 

 

 

On 3/12/2022 at 7:25 AM, Last Daze said:

It certainly has the potential to turn into a cat-herding thread.

I intentionally left out any talk of the rapture, Babylon, the mark & image, Israel, the temple, the 70th week, etc. because those kinds of things will be what they are.  Our understanding of those kinds of things will change as time goes on and we reconcile our perceptions with what's taking place.

Contrast those things with the great tribulation.  Tribulation for the believer is nothing new.  It may have varied from century to century and location to location as the gospel was being spread but Jesus tells us that before His return, there will be a time of global, unprecedented tribulation associated with the abomination of desolation (man of sin).  This will affect every believer alive at that time.  We can't control how the various aspects of prophecy are going to unfold but we can control our response to persecution.  That's essential to each of us individually.

Suffice it to say we just disagree.  Regardless, we'll fare well as our hope is in Christ.

[Marilyn C]

2 hours ago, Last Daze said:

I know that's what you think.

As I've mentioned before I don't want to get into natural vs. spiritual Israel and who "God's people" are.

 

Suffice it to say we just disagree.  Regardless, we'll fare well as our hope is in Christ.

Thank you Last Daze, your are always so polite and gracious.

Now just trying to understand your thinking here. If the rapture is before the trib, do you think you will go or will you be looking to go through the trib.?

[Last Daze]

9 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Thank you Last Daze, your are always so polite and gracious.

Now just trying to understand your thinking here. If the rapture is before the trib, do you think you will go or will you be looking to go through the trib.?

It's my understanding that people can't choose when they'll be raptured.  Whenever the resurrection / rapture takes place at the last trumpet on the last day, I will be in it because I am Christ's.

[Marilyn C]

11 hours ago, Last Daze said:

It's my understanding that people can't choose when they'll be raptured.  Whenever the resurrection / rapture takes place at the last trumpet on the last day, I will be in it because I am Christ's.

That`s good bro, and may we all be eagerly waiting for the Lord to return for us.