Question for prewrathers and/or posttribbers

[iamlamad]

On 10/7/2022 at 7:10 AM, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, again, iamlamad.

Secondly, you need to understand the purposes for the 70 Weeks and the splitting of the 70th Week.

GaVri'eel told Dani'eel, 

Daniel 9:24 (KJV)

24 "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,

1. to finish the transgression, and
2. to make an end of sins, and
3. to make reconciliation for iniquity, and
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness, and
5. to seal up the vision and prophecy, and
6. to anoint the most Holy."

A "transgression" is a "rebellion." It comes from the Hebrew word "pesha`."
"Sins" are "missings" of a mark or "offenses." The Hebrew word is "chaTTaa`owt."
"Iniquity" is a "fault," a "mischief" or a "moral evil," and the "guilt" associated with it. The Hebrew word is "`aavown."

The word for "righteousness" is also the word for "justice," "tsedeq." It is akin to the Hebrew word "tsaadowq," meaning "to be just," and part of the name "Malkhiy-Tsadowq" ("Melchizedek"), meaning "My King is just." (Often, just said to mean "king of righteousness.")

The words "most Holy" come from "Qodesh qaadaashiym," or "Holy of-holies." It is kin to the word "Qaadowsh," the cry of "Holy!" that is shouted three times by His messengers to honor YHWH God! The word means "sacred" or "clean" or "pure." The term "qaadaashiym" is used 25 times in the Scriptures, twice without "Qodesh," referring to the "sacrifices." Thus, the "Holy of holies" is the "GREATEST of sacrifices!" It also referred to the place in which the Ark of the Covenant was put, upon which the blood was applied ONCE a year. It was separated from the holy place by the veil that was a hand-breadth thick and was torn from top to bottom at Yeeshuwa`s death! The author of Hebrews told us that this was representing the body of Yeeshuwa` which was broken as the Greatest Sacrifice that opened the path to the presence of God for all who come to God for His mercy and grace!

At the time that Yeeshuwa` began to offer the Kingdom to Israel and Himself as their King-Apparent ("Messiah" or "Christ" of God), sixty-nine of these Weeks had been fulfilled, and for three and a half years, He taught them, He met their needs for healing, He showed them the works of God to authenticate His claims, He gave them signs, and STILL the leaders of HIS OWN TRIBE, YHUDAH ("JUDAH") would not accept Him nor make Him their King, as He was ALREADY ANOINTED by God to be!

Instead, He had to endure their abominations, the primary of which was His own rejection! So, He had to condemn their abominations and their rejection, and He left them DESOLATE, as predicted by GaVri'eel! Here's the summary of His condemnation and Gavri'eel's prediction:

Matthew 23:37-39 (KJV)

37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you DESOLATE. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, 'Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord'."

Luke 13:34-35 (KJV)

34 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not! 35 Behold, your house is left unto you DESOLATE: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, 'Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord'."

Daniel 9:27 (KJV)

27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (as His ancestor David did): and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (the splitting of the veil at His Sacrifice), and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it DESOLATE, even until the consummation (the end), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate (the ones left desolate).

Thus, the FIRST 3.5 years of the final Week were completed in the offer of the Kingdom to Israel during Yeeshuwa`s first advent. The SECOND 3.5 years will be when Yeeshuwa` returns and offers the Kingdom to Israel again, a FUTURE generation, that will accept Him as their King.

The "great tribulation" is the period BETWEEN these two halves! According to Matthew 24:9, 21, and 29, each of which speak of the "tribulation" (Greek: thlipsis), it began with the disciples in the First Century A.D. and it would continue until the Lord has returned! This time period called "the Church Age" is really "the time of the Gentiles," and as far as the Jews are concerned, it is also called "the time of Ya`aqoV's (Jacob's) trouble," as they REAP the consequences of being made "DESOLATE" for the abominations of their ancestors!

But, when they can say "Baruwkh haba' b-shem YHWH," welcoming Him back as YHWH'S Messiah, THEN Yeeshuwa` will return! And, when He returns, He will ZEALOUSLY FIGHT for His people and His Land!

One cannot just use Revelation as one's guide; one must use ALL of the prophecies that speak of God's Salvation, God's RESCUE!

Hmmm. This is certainly a theory.

If it was true, why is there no scripture anywhere showing us Jesus ministry was for exactly 3.5 years?

Next, why then did Daniel insert his GAP between the 69th week and the 70th   - as if there was an ENTIRE week still to go?

Why is the last half of the week laid out in Revelation chapters 11-13 and the first half laid out (but not specified) in chapters 8 to 11?

Jesus spoke to me: I heard His voice and His words, telling me I could find the midpoint of the 70th week "clearly marked" in Revelation. The point is, if there is a midpoint, then there is the entire week.

After Jesus told me I could find the midpoint, almost as an afterthought, He said, "in fact, you could find that entire week, 'clearly marked.' "

Therefore, I am going to go with Jesus on this. Thanks for the post though.

[iamlamad]

On 10/7/2022 at 6:04 AM, Walter Goraj jr said:

Jesus comes at the last day of this world. The event popularly known as the "rapture" occurs at that time. And that's it. From that point on true believers live in a " new heavens and a new earth". The unsaved no longer exist ( they are not suffering eternally). 

This is a theory, but it leaves questions.

Jesus will certainly come "on the last day" of the 70th week that will end the Jewish age. We read about that coming in Matthew 24 and in Revelation 19. 

However, just because He will come to Armageddon then does not preclude that He cannot come 7 years before just to collect His saints and taken them to safely before He pours out His wrath.

Did you notice that the great crowd, too large to number (I believe the just-raptured church) was seen and written between the last two seals sealing the book? Please take special notice that John did NOT see that crowd and write it in Revelation chapter 19.

I disagree with you.

[iamlamad]

On 10/6/2022 at 11:42 AM, DeighAnn said:

How?   They were sown in corruption and THEY were resurrected. 

Have ye not read? 

1Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:  NOT RAISED A SPIRIT

1Corinthians 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: NOT RAISED A SPIRIT it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: NOT RAISED A SPIRIT

1Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. NOT RAISED A SPIRIT There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. NOT THERE IS A SPIRIT

They were RAISED UP to heaven.  THEY DIDN'T DIE.  They didn't FALL TO PIECES.  THEY never die, they CHANGE BODIES.  Just like the alive and remaining are changed in the twinkling of an eye, SO NEVER DIE, so the never die never die.  

I just don't know any OTHER way to say that.  THEIR natural body died.   THAT IS THE EXTENT OF 'DEATH' for a saved person.  BESIDES their FLESH dying, THEY REMAIN A PERSON, A LIVING SOUL

Though they no LONGER WALK THE EARTH, but they STILL WALK and TALK and GIVE WORSHIP TO GOD just IN HEAVEN WHERE HE IS.  They stand in judgment, the receive things done in the body AND IT EFFECTS THE SPIRITUAL BODY THEY ARE NOW IN. 

How do we know?  Because IN ONE PLACE IT IS WRITTEN

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

2 Timothy 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

2 Timothy 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

The resurrection ISN'T ALREADY PAST.  The resurrection of those who died under the OLD COVENANT, the LAST DAY has happened but THAT'S OK because those who believe in Him while they yet LIVE, NEVER DIE.  He is the resurrection.  He HAS PAID THE RANSOM.  Those in prison have been let go.  NOW, those who are saved DON'T EVEN EVER GO.  

You missed the entire conversation.

There has been ONLY ONE RESURRECTION: that is of Jesus Christ. All the dead in Christ are STILL DEAD speaking of their bodies. If their bodies has not completely turned to dust, if we dug up the graves, we would find their bones. 

But AFTER the resurrection, no one would find their bones because God would have resurrected that dead body and the bones would be part of the resurrection body flying up into the AIR.

Resurrection: Websters:

capitalized : the rising of Christ from the dead

boften capitalized : the rising again to life of all the human dead before the final judgment

c: the state of one risen from the dead

 

Of course, this is talking about the physical body, not about the human spirit. "Resurrection" is physical, not spiritual.

[iamlamad]

On 10/6/2022 at 11:16 AM, DeighAnn said:

To EVERY SEED a body.  I believe that.

BUT you want me to LEAVE THAT BELIEF

IN FAVOR OF

EXCEPT FOR when RESURRECTED TO Heaven. 

Every MAN in his own order.  Which I believe 

BUT you want me to LEAVE what is written to believe

EVERY SPIRIT in his own order.  


The WORDS of GOD say man is body soul and spirit.  YET when it comes  being resurrected, you want me to believe a MAN CEASES TO EXIST.  

A SPIRIT IS NOT A MAN. 

A MAN HAS A SPIRIT.

So you have NO MEN following Christ, just spirits.

EVEN in the GRAVE men remain with their bodies until raised up.

WHEN has THE AIR ever gotten THIRSTY?  
or is it the
'WHAT ANIMATES A BODY' THAT GETS THIRSTY?  

no wonder NO ONE is being brought into the churches anymore.  It's like following Alice down the rabbit hole where 

NOTHING WRITTEN IS TRUTH.  

I BELIEVE THIS as it is written?   DO YOU?   

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1 Corinthians 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:

NO YOU DO NOT.  What you believe what it REALLY MEANs.....WHAT YOU BELIEVE REQUIRES  MODIFICATION,  AN EXPLANATION through the WISDOM of man.  

TAKE AWAY THE MODIFICATIONs AND THE EXPLANTIONS AND GET BACK TO WHAT IS WRITTEN AND AWAY FROM

YEA HATH GOD SAID?  

If the dead rise not NOW, THEN IS NOT CHRIST RAISED NOW.   
If the dead rise not until THE LAST DAY, then Christ isn't risen until the Last Day. 

MAKE THIS GO AWAY 

1.  It is sown a natural BODY it is raised a spiritual BODY

using ONLY GODS WORDS.   

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

This is not that difficult. Go back to the rich man and lazarus.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Note carefully, "the rich man ...was buried..and in hell lift up his eyes..."

You should notice that his body was buried, but HE went to hell. The real person is the SPIRIT of the person. This physical body is only our HOUSE for now.

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EVEN in the GRAVE men remain with their bodies until raised up.

NONSENSE! The rich man went to HELL, he did not stay with his body! His body was buried, but HE  - his spirit - the real person - went to hell.

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1 Corinthians 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:

Paul wrote that for the Sadducees who did not believe in the resurrection.

They denied THE DAY OF RESURRECTION. Paul told them they were wrong, and Jesus proved them wrong because HE rose from the dead.

Did you not read what Martha said?

20 Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met him: but Mary sat still in the house.

21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.

22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.

23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.

24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

Martha was talking about their physical bodies that would one day DIE.

And what Jesus said about it?

John 6: 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

 

Jesus was talking about their physical bodies. That on the last day, resurrection day, He would RAISE all those dead bodies.

Paul told us about the spirits (for the dead in Christ) that Christ would bring the SPIRITS of those dead saints WITH HIM (from heaven down to earth so they could once again join with their dead but now resurrected bodies and be WHOLE once again.

John is in total agreement, showing us this resurrection after the fact:

Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

This shows us those that the Beast and False Prophet will behead are now RAISED from the dead and are with Jesus. HOW did they get raised? WHEN did they get raised? Jesus said, "on the last day." I take that to mean the final 24 hours of the 70th week of Daniel. If you notice at the 7th vial, there is the world's worst earthquake, without a doubt caused when God raises the OT saints.

Some of those that will be raised will be from BEFORE THE FLOOD. The dust that once formed even one of those bodies could have been separated from the rest of the dust of that one body hundreds or thousands of miles. When God draws that dust together to resurrect that body, it is going to cause the world's worst earthquake - just what we see at the 7th vial.

 

[iamlamad]

On 10/6/2022 at 9:18 AM, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, iamlamad.

EXCEPT THAT, with Yeeshuwa` off-planet, human beings won't even acknowledge that YHWH, or His Son, has "LEGALLY changed ownership" to Himself!

While Israel is small (a "grain of mustard seed" among the nations), the Beast CAN take those months, even illegitimately! That's especially true in the aftermath of the war for Israel and the war tribunal afterward. At NO time does YHWH God sanction the Beast to take control! He doesn't recognize the Beast, He would not condone the Beast's actions, and He certainly would not "delegate" such time to the Beast! The prophecy is simply a STATEMENT OF FACT before its time!

As I've said before, many Christians and Jews think of the "Kingdom Age" as being a time of peace and bliss, but the Scriptures do NOT paint that picture! Instead, only WITHIN His Kingdom do such conditions occur. OUTSIDE of His Kingdom, the world will be at war, as they resist the submission of their nations to the King of kings! Nevertheless, with the exception of the initial, willing, vassal nations, they shall be subdued ONE ... BY ... ONE, even as they hang on by tooth and nail, under the control of the King of Israel, the Messiah of God!

Think about it for a moment: With our history of independence from the tyrannical sovereignty of Brittish rule, if we were unbelievers who didn't know that the perceived "Tyrannical King" of Israel was who Christians said He was, do you think the United States of America would submit willingly to the rule of this King? What would it take to convince Congress and the House to accept the King of Israel as their leader? I think our own nation will be one of the LAST to switch over!

If you wish to think our God is so small the Beast can TAKE his 42 months, then I am surprised. God has known about those 42 months since forever, (probably) and had them written almost 2000 years ago. Once Jesus OWNS this planet, nothing is going to happen outside of God's will.

No one knows what will happen to our country AFTER the church is gone. We are getting a good hint right now though. I read the the Beast will deceive the whole world. That would include the US of A.

Peace will certainly come during the 1000 years!

[Retrobyter]

On 10/8/2022 at 4:38 AM, kenny2212 said:

Matthew 22:29-32 (NKJV) - 

29 Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven. 31 But concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God, saying, 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”

Retrobyter, what Jesus was saying is that if Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were not alive God would have said "I WAS the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob". Then to further buttress his point, Jesus added "God is not God of the dead, but of the living".

Jesus wasn't talking about the resurrection here at all. We all agree that the resurrection will happen, sometime in the future. If Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were not alive at the moment Jesus was speaking but will be sometime at the future resurrection, Jesus would have said "God saying, I WILL BE the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.

"I AM the God of" is pregnant with the thought that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were well and alive at the time Jesus was speaking.

Do you now understand what Jesus was saying?

Shalom, kenny2212.

Sure I understand what Yeeshuwa` was saying. There's little I miss. For instance, why do you think that Matittyahuw ("Matthew") points out SPECIFICALLY that these Sadducees (Ts'duqqiym) said, "There is no resurrection"? Then they tell a sheilah (a puzzler) that they THINK will trap Yeeshuwa` in a contradiction!  

Matthew 22:23-33 (KJV)

23 The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him, 24 Saying, 

"Master, Moses said, 'If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.' 25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother: 26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh. 27 And last of all the woman died also. 28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her."

But, they hadn't counted on Yeeshuwa`s NEW information!

Now, since Yeeshuwa` was answering these guys who didn't believe in the Resurrection, He most certainly IS talking "about the Resurrection!" So, when He talks about Avraham, Yitschaq, and Ya`aqoV, He KNEW where the cave of Makhpeelaah (Machpelah) near HeVrown (Hebron) was! He KNEW where the remains of these ancestors were! He also knew that He would be raising them back to life when He returned! (And, to think, they could have been raised to life RIGHT THEN, had they only accepted Yeeshuwa` as God's Choice for their King! Of course, God used the rejection of His Messiah to His own advantage, providing the ULTIMATE Sacrifice for sin!) 

Using your version, you quoted ...

Matthew 22:29-32 (NKJV) - 

29 Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven. 31 But CONCERNING THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD, have you not read what was spoken to you by God, saying, 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living!”

He's not talking about them "being currently alive in Heaven"; He's talking about them COMING BACK TO LIFE IN THE RESURRECTION! But, remember what Yeeshuwa` said to Marta ("Martha"): (I use green for narration, blue for the words of other human beings, and red for the words of the Messiah Yeeshuwa`. I also use purple for the words of God the Father, but of course, He's not speaking here.)

John 11:17-27 (NKJV)

17 So when Jesus came, He found that he (Eleazar or Lazarus) had already been in the tomb four days. 18 Now Bethany was near Jerusalem, about two miles away.  19 And many of the Jews had joined the women around Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother.

20 Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met Him, but Mary was sitting in the house. 21 Now Martha said to Jesus,

“Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died.  22 But even now I know that whatever You ask of God, God will give You.”

23 Jesus said to her, 

“Your brother will rise again.”

24 Martha said to Him,

“I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”

25 Jesus said to her, 

“I AM THE RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE! He who believes in Me, THOUGH HE MAY DIE, HE SHALL LIVE! 26 And whoever lives and believes in Me SHALL NEVER DIE. Do you believe this?”

27 She said to Him,

“Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ (the Messiah), the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”

So, Avraham, Yitschaq, and Ya`aqoV would have been alive if they had just accepted Him as God's King for them! That's how CLOSE they were!

Now, technically, the verbs employed in Matthew 22:32 by the translator into Greek are the present tense, indicative mood, active voice, but this is about God talking about HIMSELF, not the current condition of Avraham, Yitschaq, and Ya`aqoV!

[DeighAnn]

On 10/9/2022 at 12:37 AM, Retrobyter said:

36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest (the physical body) is not quickened (brought back to life), except it die: 37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but 
there is one kind of flesh of men,
another flesh of beasts,
another of fishes, and "another of birds. 
40 There are also celestial bodies, and
bodies terrestrial:

LOOK AT 37 AGAIN.  

36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest (the physical body) is not quickened (brought back to life), except it die: 37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest NOT that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:


Go walk under a huge Pecan tree when it is casting off its SEEDS and you will SEE exactly how MUCH of the PECAN TREE would be going back to dust and how much of the pecan tree would be used to make a NEW PECAN TREE.  

DO you REALIZE that it takes ONLY ONE cell for all of our DNA AKA OUR IMAGE to 'make a NEW US'?   And OUR WORKS do follow us.  So our DEAD FLESH body puts out

a grain

and GOD gives us a body NOT made with hand in the heaven.  


and to every grain, EVERYONE produces 'a seed' complete with their entire DNA and our works our entire DEEDS of this world follow us so we look the same we sound the same we think the same we are the same except IT IS NOT AN EARTHY BODY, it is heavenly as we will be in the kingdom of God when we die and FOLLOW Him there or 'as the dead' who rise when the Kingdom of Heaven aka all the kingdoms of earth become His.  

SO as one star differs from another ONE GRAIN differs from another

As one vessel differs from another (one is gold one is wood)

GOD gives each 'seed' their own body, some are like a WHEAT SEED and I would imagine those who are raised up from the dead would be more like a TARE seed until they stand in judgment in 1000 years after being raised out from the dead.

 

[iamlamad]

10 hours ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

Well this: "does not preclude that He cannot come 7 years before just to collect His saints and taken them to safely before He pours out His wrath." Is not found in scripture, for starters. 

That theory has been debunked time and time again. Go back and read 1 Thes. 4 & 5. You will learn that Paul  - the only writer of the NT that had revelation knowledge of the rapture - wrote that the rapture would come JUST BEFORE the start of the Day of the Lord.

Then go to Revelation and you will find the start of the DAY at the 6th seal in chapter 6. That tells us the rapture will take place JUST BEFORE the 6th seal is opened.

Then, just for conformation, John saw the just-raptured church in heaven just after that, and wrote it in chapter 7. 

Then the 70th week or "tribulation" will begin at the 7th seal opening and with the first trumpet judgment.

This is why millions of believers believe in the pretrib rapture. It is written.

[DeighAnn]

1 minute ago, DeighAnn said:

and to every grain, EVERYONE produces 'a seed' complete with their entire DNA and our works our entire DEEDS of this world follow us so we look the same we sound the same we think the same we are the same except IT IS NOT AN EARTHY BODY, it is heavenly as we will be in the kingdom of God when we die and FOLLOW Him there or 'as the dead' who rise when the Kingdom of Heaven aka all the kingdoms of earth become His.  

AS spritual bodies, we are all young, perfect, disease free.  Nothing missing from anyone.  No illness be that physical or mental.  No one can kill anyone as only GOD kills a body and soul in the 2nd death.  Jesus going to rule with a rod of iron and at the end THE DEAD will stand in judgment.  The 'living' having been priests and judges having been judged by Jesus having followed Him and returned with Him or having been of the alive and remaining and having joined up with Him and the armies returning with Him to begin the Day of the Lord/Lords Day/no need to explain again how you define it day/day of vengeance/when the dead rise/Gods wrath falls

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

LOOK AT 37 AGAIN.  

36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest (the physical body) is not quickened (brought back to life), except it die: 37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest NOT that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:


Go walk under a huge Pecan tree when it is casting off its SEEDS and you will SEE exactly how MUCH of the PECAN TREE would be going back to dust and how much of the pecan tree would be used to make a NEW PECAN TREE.  

DO you REALIZE that it takes ONLY ONE cell for all of our DNA AKA OUR IMAGE to 'make a NEW US'?   And OUR WORKS do follow us.  So our DEAD FLESH body puts out

a grain

and GOD gives us a body NOT made with hand in the heaven.  


and to every grain, EVERYONE produces 'a seed' complete with their entire DNA and our works our entire DEEDS of this world follow us so we look the same we sound the same we think the same we are the same except IT IS NOT AN EARTHY BODY, it is heavenly as we will be in the kingdom of God when we die and FOLLOW Him there or 'as the dead' who rise when the Kingdom of Heaven aka all the kingdoms of earth become His.  

SO as one star differs from another ONE GRAIN differs from another

As one vessel differs from another (one is gold one is wood)

GOD gives each 'seed' their own body, some are like a WHEAT SEED and I would imagine those who are raised up from the dead would be more like a TARE seed until they stand in judgment in 1000 years after being raised out from the dead.

 

What Body does Jesus have NOW? Did you forget that His NOW body still has nail holes in it?

HE is the prototype!

Edited October 10, 2022 by iamlamad