Poison ☠?

[Dennis1209]

FACT – I do not trust the government and their alphabet agencies with anything, much less my health and what goes into my body. What have they done that has not failed or is not failing in anything? Past performance is the best indicator of future performance.

FACT – This covid thing has reeked with suspicion from the beginning, and the suspicions have intensified ever since. Hello, I’m from the government and I’m here to help.

FACT – For every one of our actions and choices, there will be a reaction.

"Just the facts Mam." ~ Sgt. Joe Friday

"And just one more thing." ~ Colombo  

[teddyv]

43 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

FACT – I do not trust the government and their alphabet agencies with anything, much less my health and what goes into my body. What have they done that has not failed or is not failing in anything? Past performance is the best indicator of future performance.

FACT – This covid thing has reeked with suspicion from the beginning, and the suspicions have intensified ever since. Hello, I’m from the government and I’m here to help.

FACT – For every one of our actions and choices, there will be a reaction.

"Just the facts Mam." ~ Sgt. Joe Friday

"And just one more thing." ~ Colombo  

How would you go about determining objective reality then?

[Starise]

We first need to know what reality is in order to be objective about it.

 

[JohnR7]

On 4/19/2022 at 5:24 AM, JohnPaul88 said:

There is another purpose and agenda for this vaccine, I truly believe that in my heart.

The purpose and intent is to make money. Bill Gates paid for the research and he owns a lot of stock in the company that makes the vaccine though a holding company. 

[JohnR7]

1 hour ago, Starise said:

We first need to know what reality is in order to be objective about it.

 

There is subjective and there is objective. Most people see things from a subjective viewpoint. Even from a objective viewpoint there is still mass hysteria and mob mentality.  Judges 21:25 "In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what was right in his own eyes".

[one.opinion]

The Rumble video literally lists 4 people that Roberts claims have been killed by the vaccines. Two of those four received the AstraZeneca vaccine, which is DNA-based, not mRNA-based like the Pfizer and Moderna.

Additionally, Roberts stated that the first person he mentioned had no history of asthma. This is false. Comments from the girl's mother on social media indicate that she did indeed have asthma.

This video is really not the smoking gun that it is intended to be. I'll have more comments later.

[one.opinion]

There are a couple of themes I've noticed while reading through this thread. One theme is "this is what I believe". That's fine, I cannot tell anyone what they can or cannot believe. What I would like people to consider is "on what am I basing my beliefs?" Are you basing your beliefs on scientifically-generated data that significantly reduces bias, or are you basing your beliefs on hunches and guesses without a deep understanding of ALL of the facts?

A second theme I see is "I don't trust the government". I completely identify with this sentiment. Sometimes it seems like the only times government officials are not telling half-truths and lies is when they are not talking. What I would like to add is that government officials are frequently (I live in Texas, so I can't say the same for my governor) taking their directives from public health experts that are evaluating data and research as it is collected. Difficult decisions have been made, but those decisions have been informed by good science and good data collection from places like hospitals, where the data points are.

[just_abc]

On 4/21/2022 at 2:09 AM, Starise said:

This is part of the problem. All of the data you see is fed to us from the very same sources behind the vaccine. 

um..  If it is ok for me to ask Brother.. what about the data from other countries around the world such as mine?

My country is not 'Big Pharma'..  We are not the Usa or the UK..  We also have our own hospitals.. own doctors.. own scientists..

The data from my country (and I think likely many other countries too?) indicates that the deaths resulting from covid.. per 100 thousand adult population.. (7 day average).. is much higher among the unvaccinated.. compared to both the full vaccinated (2 dose vaccines etc).. as well as the booster vaccinated folk....

Just a small fyi Brother.  No offence intended. 

Thanks.  

 

 

[Starise]

21 hours ago, just_abc said:

um..  If it is ok for me to ask Brother.. what about the data from other countries around the world such as mine?

My country is not 'Big Pharma'..  We are not the Usa or the UK..  We also have our own hospitals.. own doctors.. own scientists..

The data from my country (and I think likely many other countries too?) indicates that the deaths resulting from covid.. per 100 thousand adult population.. (7 day average).. is much higher among the unvaccinated.. compared to both the full vaccinated (2 dose vaccines etc).. as well as the booster vaccinated folk....

Just a small fyi Brother.  No offence intended. 

Thanks.  

 

 

I don't doubt that the vaccine has helped. Since I believe in a much wider variation of the vaccine I don't believe everyone is even getting close to the same things. I believe this was deliberate for experimental purposes.

This means the vaccine helps in some places. In other places it's a more inert formula, and in yet other places a few mixes are distributed which had bad consequences. I had all three doses and consider myself fortunate, but I see these vaccines similar to playing Russian roulette.

In any given area there is likely a mix of dosage types not indicated on the bottle but indicated by number run to the actual testers. These were much more "experimental". 

If a person is aware this is going on and is directly involved in distribution of said vaccines, they will obviously make sure the areas where they have family are safe.

My area was such an area. All of it was experimental, just different degrees of it.

There was the safer tested version and the pet versions. When I got my first two doses I didn't even know they had done it and they used some kind of a spring loaded contraption. I questioned it then. It wasn't a normal vaccine like most vaccines.

We still don't know the long term effects. It is unlikely they will connect the vaccine to later health issues. One thing I'm hearing is an uptick in spread of cancer for people who already had it in those vaccinated.

Other countries may have a safer distribution system. I don't trust ours.

 

 

[one.opinion]

4 hours ago, Starise said:

I don't doubt that the vaccine has helped. Since I believe in a much wider variation of the vaccine I don't believe everyone is even getting close to the same things. I believe this was deliberate for experimental purposes.

Question yourself. Are you basing your beliefs on anecdotes or scientifically-gathered evidence?