Interesting passage gives insights into Predestination and Foreknowledge

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19 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

I really like "nursery"-this truly is just the beginning for us,little babies,children of God-love that! 

Don't get me to sucking on my thumb again  

I think the profound aspect God has told us about His plans is He is scraping the entirety of the first creation and all knowledge it contained and a New Heaven and New Earth where all things are New... and nothing will be considered loss to do so!
Truly sin never had place with God nor the garment next to the sin!!!

[enoob57]

4 minutes ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

I have posted scripture ,loads of times..only you ignore it.

Read EPHESIANS 2.

Here is a little of it.

 

But because of his great Love for us, God Who is rich in mercy made us alive with Christ, even when we were dead in transgressions- it is by grace you have been saved.

My words,You must be made alive in Christ before you can start your journey in faith..

God draws us to,Jesus ,then he regenerates.then we walk in faith as we have received a new heart and a new Spirit.

If you don’t understand that...then,I can’t help that.

The verse is not saying that... your reading it upon the text and not allowing the text to speak for itself... show me a Scripture where God says regeneration precedes faith!

[enoob57]

Just now, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

Here you go again, telling me it’s not saying that.

Its saying exactly that, only you  have got your blinders on and suddenly gone deaf...no disrespect..but, it’s the only way I can explain it.

it is because I have not read it in any Scripture you have posted yet!

[enoob57]

I mean with all respect how much clearer does God need to be about this?

John 20:30 (NKJV)

[30] And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; [31] but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.

 

[Anne2]

I don't mean to butt into this conversation but,

3 minutes ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

God draws us to,Jesus.

No one can come to the Son unless the Father draws them, scriptural.

You must be born again to see the Kingdom of God.

simply would like to know what you mean by draws/drawn to Jesus?

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6 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

I don't mean to butt into this conversation but,

simply would like to know what you mean by draws/drawn to Jesus?

John 6:44 (NAS20S) “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.

[Anne2]

2 minutes ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

As he knew me in my mother’s womb, through my life as a non believer, I believe he was drawing/ bringing me to Jesus, looking back, no one knows how the Lord does it, only he knows that, he does it according to his purpose and plan and all the glory of me being regenerated by him, goes to him.

my way of explaining it.

You don't understand that to be being drawn to faith? Just trying to see the differences in the discussion.

[Anne2]

1 minute ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

I’m open to receive that, let me pray about it.the question certainly spoke to me, thank you,Anne.

You are welcome. I am not getting the nuances on both sides of this myself. I guess I am slow on the uptake lol. So, I am attempting to find the importance, and place of this for myself. Bless you Rosie! :-)

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9 hours ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

Amen!!....the Holy Spirit can do whatever is pleasing to him, that is biblical, so he can talk to your spirit, lead and guide you, that is also scriptural......it doesn’t tell you in scripture how he leads everyone of his children, just that he leads them into his truth....he can also lead you into a new career path....he can direct your path to a new church, he did me, as a new babe he directed me to a church, all in accordance with his purpose,plan, for my life....can’t share the purpose of him leading me there at the moment, I hope to be able to one day....because every ounce of the Glory goes to Him!.....it blew my mind and still does, even after 30 yrs....God’s word will never pass away ,it will stay with us forever ,as long as it’s his word/will....be blessed Sis,💗🙏

This is a word of unparallel Godly Wisdom. It's the word of a person full of the Holy Spirit. 

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I thought it might be interesting to some to read what Calvin himself wrote in his commentary on John 6:44.

Unless the Father draw him. To come to Christ being here used metaphorically for believing, the Evangelist, in order to carry out the metaphor in the apposite clause, says that those persons are drawn whose understandings God enlightens, and whose hearts he bends and forms to the obedience of Christ. The statement amounts to this, that we ought not to wonder if many refuse to embrace the Gospel; because no man will ever of himself be able to come to Christ, but God must first approach him by his Spirit; and hence it follows that all are not drawn, but that God bestows this grace on those whom he has elected. True, indeed, as to the kind of drawing, it is not violent, so as to compel men by external force; but still it is a powerful impulse of the Holy Spirit, which makes men willing who formerly were unwilling and reluctant. It is a false and profane assertion, therefore, that none are drawn but those who are willing to be drawn,¹⁵¹ as if man made himself obedient to God by his own efforts; for the willingness with which men follow God is what they already have from himself, who has formed their hearts to obey him.

45. It is written in the Prophets. Christ confirms by the testimony of Isaiah what he said, that no man can come to him, unless he be drawn by the Father. He uses the word prophets in the plural number, because all their prophecies had been collected into one volume, so that all the prophets might justly be accounted one book. The passage which is here quoted is to be found in Isaiah 54:13, where, speaking of the restoration of the Church, he promises to her, sons taught by the instruction of God. Hence it may easily be inferred, that the Church cannot be restored in any other way than by God undertaking the office of a Teacher, and bringing believers to himself. The way of teaching, of which the prophet speaks, does not consist merely in the external voice, but likewise in the secret operation of the Holy Spirit. In short, this teaching of God is the inward illumination of the heart.

And they shall be all taught by God. As to the word all, it must be limited to the elect, who alone are the true children of the Church. Now it is not difficult to see in what manner Christ applies this prediction to the present subject. Isaiah shows that then only is the Church truly edified, when she has her children taught by God. Christ, therefore, justly concludes that men have not eyes to behold the light of life, until God has opened them. But at the same time, he fastens on the general phrase, all; because he argues from it, that all who are taught by God are effectually drawn, so as to come; and to this relates what he immediately adds,

Whosoever therefore hath heard my Father. The amount of what is said is, that all who do not believe are reprobate and doomed to destruction; because all the sons of the Church and heirs of life are made by God to be his obedient disciples. Hence it follows, that there is not one of all the elect of God who shall not be a partaker of faith in Christ.¹⁵² Again, as Christ formerly affirmed that men are not fitted for believing, until they have been drawn, so he now declares that the grace of Christ, by which they are drawn, is efficacious, so that they necessarily believe.

These two clauses utterly overturn the whole power of free will, of which the Papists dream. For if it be only when the Father has drawn us that we begin to come to Christ, there is not in us any commencement of faith, or any preparation for it. On the other hand, if all come whom the Father hath taught, He gives to them not only the choice of believing, but faith itself. When, therefore, we willingly yield to the guidance of the Spirit, this is a part, and, as it were, a sealing of grace; because God would not draw us, if He were only to stretch out his hand, and leave our will in a state of suspense. But in strict propriety of language He is said to draw us, when He extends the power of his Spirit to the full effect of faith. They are said to hear God, who willingly assent to God speaking to them within, because the Holy Spirit reigns in their hearts.