Original Sin

[OneLight]

2 minutes ago, Alive said:

Yes, I understand your pov. And respect it.

I do think its good to make the point that foreknowledge is a given regardless of how we view election. When we see the words choose in scripture applying to man, that is also a given, because I do not believe He violates our will, but frees us so we can choose…Godward.

Election permeates the record…IMO.

It helps that I am utterly convinced there is no eternal torture, but a perishing after judgement.

God is gracious to allow fallen man to enjoy this life, family, friends, love and this planet while making many natural choices yet while dead in sin. Then just gone. 

I have come to believe that the only way someone could see through the the various lens of Calvinism is if they also believe in conditionalism, that man ceases to exist after judgment, otherwise they would have a hard time accepting scripture that tells us otherwise.  How does that idea fit into what Jesus said in Mark 3:29 and Matthew  12:32 when speaking about the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit judgment?  How about the lessons found in Mark 9:44-487 where Jesus quotes Isaiah 66:24 three times?

[Alive]

2 hours ago, OneLight said:

I have come to believe that the only way someone could see through the the various lens of Calvinism is if they also believe in conditionalism, that man ceases to exist after judgment, otherwise they would have a hard time accepting scripture that tells us otherwise.  How does that idea fit into what Jesus said in Mark 3:29 and Matthew  12:32 when speaking about the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit judgment?  How about the lessons found in Mark 9:44-487 where Jesus quotes Isaiah 66:24 three times?

We both have read our bibles and we could trade scriptures for a month. For the time being, I respectfully, won’t.

God bless, brother.

[Selah7]

31 minutes ago, Heaven_Bound said:

We aren't totally depraved at all, for the past 2,000 years every human born had a way out.  And since God is going to approach every human born, they have a get out of jail card awaiting them.   Total Depravity is having no solution to being what we are.   And since the DBR of Christ, every human born has never been in that position.

Yes, I wholeheartedly agree.  Because by grace through faith in Christ, we believe and come to the Lord just as we are, with a repentant and grateful heart.  We are no longer depraved; no, we are justified and made righteous through His blood shed for us all.  We have been reconciled to our Father and adopted as His children.  Thanks be to God who so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that we might be saved and live eternally with Him. 

In Christ, Selah 

[B-B]

2 hours ago, Heaven_Bound said:

We aren't totally depraved at all, for the past 2,000 years every human born had a way out.  And since God is going to approach every human born, they have a get out of jail card awaiting them.   Total Depravity is having no solution to being what we are.   And since the DBR of Christ, every human born has never been in that position.

You are of course entitled to your own beliefs 😊

[B-B]

Just now, Heaven_Bound said:

Thank You, but I prefer to go by what the Word of God claims, not what I think or anyone else thinks.

That makes two of us then 😊

[B-B]

8 minutes ago, Heaven_Bound said:

Knowing that God knew us before the Foundation of the Earth and when we were in our Mother's Womb, tells us He was always going to make a way for us.   That's the opposite definition of depravity in any book.

As you wish 😊

[B-B]

1 hour ago, Golds and Blues said:

Keeping up with how iron sharpens iron reveals much needed blood.

Who was it that came with original sin doctrine? Answer; The Roman Catholic , Congregation of murderers. The edom that sought to kill Israel with programs.

Keep up youngins

Every jew and gentile needs to know that a lever of force will never come from yeshuah. 

Only a greek name jesus withered by  assimilation is able to conquer a heritage. 

An obvious ploy 

 

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Please be coherent. I know not what you’re trying to say here.

many thanks 😊 

[B-B]

On 5/10/2022 at 11:07 PM, B-B said:

I believe in original sin, and as a result - that the human race is dead in trespasses/sin because of the inherited sinful nature. (Total depravity).

This was my response to the original OP. ( As given on page 2 of this thread).
Hopefully it will shed some light on my most recent responses, which are in reference to man’s fallen state, (not the regenerated state).

[B-B]

Got Questions explains the ‘Fall’:

 

Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned” (Romans 5:12). The effects of the Fall are numerous and far reaching. Sin has affected every aspect of our being. It has affected our lives on earth and our eternal destiny.

One of the immediate effects of the Fall was that mankind was separated from God. In the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve had perfect communion and fellowship with God. When they rebelled against Him, that fellowship was broken. They became aware of their sin and were ashamed before Him. They hid from Him (Genesis 3:8-10), and man has been hiding from God ever since. Only through Christ can that fellowship be restored, because in Him we are made as righteous and sinless in God’s eyes as Adam and Eve were before they sinned. “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Corinthians 5:21).

 

[B-B]

Just now, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

Thank you, are you able to address my other question?

Im about to leave for work….