Catholicism vs Christianity

[Starise]

Can you then be more specific about what you hinted at about church history was lacking on my part?

I usually find a lot of stereotypical answers in these things that don't nail anything down specifically 

[Starise]

1 minute ago, Alive said:

This particular point is regsrding the reality that most simply follow teachers available to them.

This may be true. But as you can see Anne is being very careful who she follows and I commend her.

[Anne2]

1 minute ago, Starise said:

My point is if you have an evil tradition should we continue to follow it? 

If your church prays to Mary and it isn't in the Bible, do you pray to Mary? I wouldn't.This was my point. 

Traditions are not inert filler 

Again be careful who you are speaking. The One Catholic Church that began does not all do that. And besides all would call her blessed. Those that do "pray" to her do so as a request for prayer on their behalf. They see it as no different than asking you to pray for them. That is what is in their heart and mind. Now, I myself cannot do that. I cannot because that would not be my heart and mind.

They call her queen of heaven because the kings mother, Not his wife the queen ruled with the kings ( I did not realize this biblical fact until I took the time to understand them.. It is about what is in their heart and mind in doing these things.

[Alive]

3 minutes ago, Starise said:

Can you then be more specific about what you hinted at about church history was lacking on my part?

I usually find a lot of stereotypical answers in these things that don't nail anything down specifically 

I have no idea of your education. I am writing to anyone reading.

Study of church history can be very helpful.

[Starise]

2 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

Again be careful who you are speaking. The One Catholic Church that began does not all do that. And besides all would call her blessed. Those that do "pray" to her do so as a request for prayer on their behalf. They see it as no different than asking you to pray for them. That is what is in their heart and mind. Now, I myself cannot do that. I cannot because that would not be my heart and mind.

They call her queen of heaven because the kings mother, Not his wife the queen ruled with the kings ( I did not realize this biblical fact until I took the time to understand them.. It is about what is in their heart and mind in doing these things.

The Catholic church doesn't pray to Mary? It would seem you are actually saying that some do under certain conditions?

I guess this is why I said in the beginning of my comments I think we should tread lightly. I was talking to a member I know so I think we are cool.

You are not a Catholic and you don't seem to be headed in that direction so maybe we can cross at least one thing off of your list? Maybe?

 

[Starise]

4 minutes ago, Alive said:

I have no idea of your education. I am writing to anyone reading.

Study of church history can be very helpful.

Point well taken. I could stand to know more. Concerning the Catholic church, I read about quite a lot of Catholic church history but could know more

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[Your closest friendnt]

45 minutes ago, Starise said:

My point is if you have an evil tradition should we continue to follow it? 

If your church prays to Mary and it isn't in the Bible, do you pray to Mary? I wouldn't.This was my point. 

Traditions are not inert filler 

Your post is some how difficult to digest...and sometimes I think you easily get disturbed.

Sometimes I stay back because I do not want you to get upset...I compromised. 

First you are using the word evil and then you talking about prayers to Mary. 

First of all I am not a Catholic, and I was never a Catholic but I learn something from my father who knew something who was in a position that he had to settle disputes. 

He told me that everyone deserves to have a voice...

So hear we are as we do not have anyone from the Catholic faith to speak for all those things spoken about the Catholics (I do not say about the church, but about the people, so I have taken the task to be a voice for them as I have many Catholic friends and I stopped trying to make them to joint the protestants...some times someone asks me or if someone asks me what to do now...that I can see some of their errors...I tell them stay where you are...if the light lives from amongst them then who is going to help them...just with your attitude gradually distance your self in a very gentle way from the Saints and never say nothing against Mary, only talked about Jesus more often and celebrate his holidays, bring a Catholic bible at home and Catholic literature about Jesus disciples within the Catholic movement and try to find and joint a Catholic charismatic group and grow with them..they read the bible and sing songs and they pray for one another...and some of your family may joint you...

After all they cannot get upset because what you do is within the Catholic movement. Bring your family closer to Jesus...pray the our Father...and continue to make the Cross...

Take your family in doing the steps of the Cross not just on Easter time but more often when you visit the church. The steps of the Cross is only about Jesus. It is about his arrest his suffering his judgment his death on the Cross his resurection his disciples and his ascension...

With the Catholics we need to exercise diplomacy...and not Judge them. 

 

Edited May 21, 2022 by Your closest friendnt

[Alive]

15 minutes ago, Starise said:

Point well taken. I could stand to know more. Concerning the Catholic church, I read about quite a lot of Catholic church history but could know more

The Roman church is not as important as what led up to it and why. How Christ as Head in simple experience of the ewrly church with elders recognized as functional servants in spirit among equals to a human made structural heirachy that became a rigid lifeless answer to heresies. That crystalization of code and human leadership to replace the life in the Spirit of the early church.

it started with the Nicolaitans and has never stopped.

Rome was the inevitable result of what had begun. Mans attempt to steady the ark.

Neverthe less, ther has always been those that have stood outside and served Him simply without as much of the life sucking rigid structures.

 

[Starise]

6 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Your post is some how difficult to digest...and sometimes I think you easily get disturbed.

Sometimes I stay back because I do not want you to get upset...I compromised. 

First you are using the word evil and then you talking about prayers to Mary. 

First of all I am not a Catholic, and I was never a Catholic but I learn something from my father who knew something who was in a position that he had to settle disputes. 

He told me that everyone deserves to have a voice...

So hear we are as we do not have anyone from the Catholic faith to speak for all those things spoken about the Catholics (I do not say about the church, but about the people, so I have taken the task to be a voice for them as I have many Catholic friends and I stopped trying to make them to joint the protestants...some times someone asks me or if someone asks me what to do now...that I can see some of their errors...I tell them stay where you are...if the light lives from amongst them then who is going to help them...just with your attitude gradually distance your self in a very gentle way from the Saints and never say nothing against Mary, only talked about Jesus more often and celebrate his holidays, bring a Catholic bible at home and Catholic literature about Jesus disciples within the Catholic movement and try to find and joint a Catholic charismatic group and grow with them..they read the bible and sing songs and they pray for one another...and some of your family may joint you...

After all they cannot get upset because what you do is within the Catholic movement. Bring your family closer to Jesus...pray the our Father...and continue to make the Cross...

Take your family in doing the steps of the Cross not just on Easter time but more often when you visit the church. The steps of the Cross is only about Jesus. 

With the Catholics we need to exercise diplomacy...and not Judge them. 

 

Well...I'm not sure why my post is difficult to digest. I was trying to get you to see what following the wrong rules can be a bad thing. I'm sure you are already aware of this. Please don't hesitate on account of me. This isn't about me.

Sometime I think we need to break though some of these barriers in love. Not speaking up about a thing that can mislead a brother is pretty much the same thing as condoning it. I also have Catholic friends. My neighbors are Catholic, my immediate supervisor is an Italian Catholic. I love them all as people. 

If you read my earlier statement you will see that I was suggesting a kid gloves approach to them. The Lord does the saving. Not me. 

The Bible tells us to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.I was kidding with my boss and told him I thought the pope was full of poop . He AGREED with me. He is only in that church because that's all he has ever known. I don't believe his heart is in it.He probably thinks to himself "why change now?" I work with a man who attended Catholic school. He was in church every day for years. Now he won't set foot in one. 

The thing is, the Lord opens those doors for ministry He makes those opportunities. There is a time and a place for everything. 

We had a person( who curiously hasn't returned) did we possibly scare her off? Maybe. We hit her with the heavy artillery first thing . 

I believe the Lord reaches out to people at the soul level. Catholics are human just like the rest of us.They first need to see the need for a savior apart from vain tradition.

Who will ever convince a die hard Catholic? I am only a branch.If the vine leads me to bear fruit and plant a seed to a lost Catholic steeped in religious poop, then I will do my best in love to talk to them.If not Nothing I do will make any difference.