Catholicism vs Christianity

[ayin jade]

26 minutes ago, Starise said:

You must do what you feel led to do. I could not personally in all good conscience attend a Catholic church because I think they teach apostasy. 

Somehow I already figured I knew what your response would be.If after everything you know and have been told, you still go in this direction, it's on you.

I believe you would be redesignated on Worthy as Catholic.

Best of luck to you and blessings in finding the truth.

Unlikely to be redesignated as catholic since there isnt a forcing of it on anyone else. In fact, I would recommend Anne continue here as a member without that label.

[ayin jade]

2 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

Torch of the testimony

 

28 minutes ago, Alive said:

Torch of the Testimony gives a decent overview to motivate more study. The general,point of view, is what I agree with.

God Bless.

Thank you!

6 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

It was Messianic Judaism that brought this around Starise. I found i thought what was total shaking off of Catholicism in Messianic Judaism. Low and behold, it was JEWISH CATHOLICISM, the sacraments in keeping the commandments of oral law. Just stating what happened to me.

 

I have been to quite a few Messianic congregations. Some of them are like what you experienced. Others are not. I personally have found joy in worship, fellowship and a building up of the body in them. But I have also shaken the dust off of ones that were 2 house, one law, and rigid etc. 

[Anne2]

1 minute ago, ayin jade said:

 

Thank you!

I have been to quite a few Messianic congregations. Some of them are like what you experienced. Others are not. I personally have found joy in worship, fellowship and a building up of the body in them. But I have also shaken the dust off of ones that were 2 house, one law, and rigid etc. 

It is still sacraments they are keeping Ayin Jade. Does not matter what words they use, a rose by any other name is still a rose.

 

[ayin jade]

2 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

It is still sacraments they are keeping Ayin Jade. Does not matter what words they use, a rose by any other name is still a rose.

 

Not sure what sacraments you mean. The only ones I saw were communion (bread and wine), the Shema, which is in the bible, and the Aaronic blessing at the end, also in the bible. The rest was music and sermon. Oh, and the announcements. Like any other church.

[Anne2]

Just now, ayin jade said:

Not sure what sacraments you mean. The only ones I saw were communion (bread and wine), the Shema, which is in the bible, and the Aaronic blessing at the end, also in the bible. The rest was music and sermon. Oh, and the announcements. Like any other church.

Attend on the Sabbath? A commandment you keep which sanctifies you. Your mere Saturday attendance was a sacrament. Same with the holydays, etc etc. The Keeping those commandments sanctify you.

ts 

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6 hours ago, Anne2 said:

I would like to hear your views. As I think of the question of the essentials, I only posted two.

OK. I am game I guess, but I am tired and preoccupied right now, I will try to get to that tomorrow.

[ayin jade]

1 hour ago, Anne2 said:

Attend on the Sabbath? A commandment you keep which sanctifies you. Your mere Saturday attendance was a sacrament. Same with the holydays, etc etc. The Keeping those commandments sanctify you.

ts 

We were never told to be Sabbath keepers. There was no judgements made for those who also went to a church on Sunday. The Jewish holy days were mentioned but again we were not judged for not keeping them or told we should keep them. There was one Messianic congregation that stated things like that (keeping the holy days etc) on their website. We decided that place was not for us.

[Michael37]

On 5/19/2022 at 1:38 PM, Angee Licaa said:

Christianity covers quite a wide range, including churches or religions with different names such as Catholicism (Christianity), Judaism, and Islam,

How do you think Christianity "covers" Islam?

Quote:

God — The Koran asserts that the god of Islam is the God of Christians and Jews (Sura 29:46graphics/out4.gif). Nothing could be farther from the truth.7

The god of Islam, Allah, is most definitely not the God of the Bible. Allah is presented in the Koran as an autocratic ruler who is aloof and arbitrary (Sura 5:40graphics/out4.gif). Allah is unknowable whereas the God of the Bible is knowable (2 Timothy 1:12graphics/out4.gif). Allah is impersonal, unlike the personal God the Scriptures reveal (1 Peter 5:6-7). Allah is unitarian (Sura 4:48graphics/out4.gif) whereas the God of the Bible is trinitarian (2 Corinthians 13:14graphics/out4.gif). Here is what the Koran says about the God of the Bible (Sura 4:171graphics/out4.gif): “Believe in Allah and say not “Trinity.’ Cease! It is better for you! Allah is only One God. Far is it removed from his transcendent majesty that he should have a son.”

Allah is capricious (Sura 2:284graphics/out4.gif), whereas the true God is trustworthy. And Allah is never anywhere presented as a god of love — which is the essence of the nature of the true God (1 John 4:7-16graphics/out4.gif).

Jesus — The Koran denies point blank that Jesus was the Son of God (Sura 112:2-3graphics/out4.gif). It also denies His atoning sacrifice by claiming that he never died (Sura 4:157graphics/out4.gif). A substitute died for Him on the Cross. Jesus was translated to Heaven, like Enoch, where He will remain until He returns to kill all pigs, destroy all crosses, and convert the world to Islam. Jesus will marry, reign for 40 years and then die and be buried next to Muhammad in Medina.8 Jesus is characterized in the Koran as nothing more than “an apostle of Allah” (Sura 4:171graphics/out4.gif).
– Source: The Truth About Islam Dr. David R. Reagan

Quoted From: apologeticsindex.org

[B-B]

17 hours ago, Anne2 said:

God being a trinity

Christ being God, Christ being man

Thanks @Anne2 😊

Yes, these are definitely some of the Fundamentals of the faith, I agree. If a Roman Catholic believes in the Triune God, and that our Lord was fully God and fully man, then this would certainly be encouraging 😊

 

[B-B]

18 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

@B-B, you seem to be a better educated person that others who are good at twisting others words. 

For that reason I need to ask a question. 

You did not choose me, I have choose you.

This is the question. I have read that the reformist had a synod perhaps in Holland.

And there was something that they put as a guidance for themselves and they call it T.U.L.I.P.

And they promote the guidance and the teachings of their ancestors, who they say they are alive in their hearts...

Of course a lot of thoughts come to my mind...but what do you think about that? Or how can we approach these situations? 

Thanks for your post @Your closest friendnt 😊

I'm hoping that I have understood your post correctly, and will do my best to respond appropriately..but please correct me if I'm way of track...

"You did not choose me, I have choose you".

I believe that this has given rise to the belief that it is the Lord who takes the initiative, (for want of a better word), in a Believers life re: salvation.

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TULIP is an acronym - it is known to have been created to counter the teachings of Jacob Arminius - who taught what is now known as Arminianism. 

A summary of Arminius'  teachings, can be found below:

1) free will (man can choose God )

2) conditional election 

3) universal redemption

4) it's possible for a person to resist the Holy Spirit

5) it's possible to fall from grace 

(I don't believe that John Calvin himself came up the actual acronym of TULIP, but it may of been created to help make it easier to understand some of Calvin's writings/understanding of Scripture).

I don't know whether it was definitely originally given the Acronym of TULIP in Holland, but I know that Holland is known for the Tulip flower 😀

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"And they promote the guidance and the teachings of their ancestors, who they say they are alive in their hearts..."

 I'm afraid I need some clarification here @Your closest friendnt, as I'm not sure what you mean here?

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"Or how can we approach these situations?"

 ...really sorry, but again could you clarify your question please, what situations do you mean?

God bless

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 21, 2022 by B-B