Catholicism vs Christianity

[Sower]

1 hour ago, Heleadethme said:

And I had a definite 'instinct' not to go to a Catholic church knowing there was nothing real there for me.

As did I. My wife, Lutheran, and I a catholic quit going to catholic church. We wanted to be a part of a church, but my/our instinct/spirits said not the RCC (too many gargoyles and statues of dead people, and so many black robes, and my spirit saying flee). Later at that baptist funeral we heard the gospel, the great news. Perhaps a month later my wife accepted Christ (believed) in the back yard alone by herself, and later I also while driving my old VW bug at night going home out in the country, telling God everything I believed, and wanted Him to let me know if I was saved by actually just believing. He did, and it was confirmed in my heart.
The fork in the road experience.
(And He will direct thy path!)

We both have a heart now to share the knowledge-truth to whomsoever will. Someone shared the good news with us. We believed. Our lives were changed. Pass it on.
 

I think, Heleadethme, we have been given understandings of the deceptions of RCC false teachings and the desire to expose them to the truth. I let my words of truth to be examined with/by the inspired word of God, and accept any criticism. The word is Light. I share that Light.

 

 

[JohnD]

5 minutes ago, Sower said:

As did I. My wife, Lutheran, and I a catholic quit going to catholic church. We wanted to be a part of a church, but my/our instinct/spirits said not the RCC (too many gargoyles and statues of dead people, and so many black robes, and my spirit saying flee). Later at that baptist funeral we heard the gospel, the great news. Perhaps a month later my wife accepted Christ (believed) in the back yard alone by herself, and later I also while driving my old VW bug at night going home out in the country, telling God everything I believed, and wanted Him to let me know if I was saved by actually just believing. He did, and it was confirmed in my heart.
The fork in the road experience.
(And He will direct thy path!)

We both have a heart now to share the knowledge-truth to whomsoever will. Someone shared the good news with us. We believed. Our lives were changed. Pass it on.
 

I think, Heleadethme, we have been given understandings of the deceptions of RCC false teachings and the desire to expose them to the truth. I let my words of truth to be examined with/by the inspired word of God, and accept any criticism. The word is Light. I share that Light.

 

 

And that's the rub. Which I am ecstatic to hear!!!

It's all about Jesus.

Period.

There are true believers in Roman Catholicism despite Roman Catholicism.

There are true believers despite Protestantism.

There are true believers despite Messianic Judaism.

Underneath all the isms (organizations) is the true Church Organism despite

the other.

[Fidei Defensor]

On 5/20/2022 at 7:02 PM, Anne2 said:

It was Messianic Judaism that brought this around Starise. I found i thought what was total shaking off of Catholicism in Messianic Judaism. Low and behold, it was JEWISH CATHOLICISM, the sacraments in keeping the commandments of oral law. Just stating what happened to me.

Blessed are you oh lord, king of the universe who Sanctifies us with his commandments.

Yep there it was staring me in the face. So, I looked it up on the internet

Read Mark Kinzer. The Enduring sacramental Character of Jewish life

The Enduring Sacramental Character of Jewish Life in the Messiah A Messianic Jewish Perspective Mark S. Kinzer (Presented at the Roman Catholic – Messianic Jewish Dialogue Group on August 27, 2013) © Mark S. Kinzer Sacrament & Kedushah1 The sacraments are efficacious signs of grace, instituted by Christ and entrusted to the Church, by which divine life is dispensed to us (CCC 1131).

This began my scriptural study of the law from the bible. The authority of the priesthood etc. etc. The Rabbis usurped them when the temple was destroyed and a new priestless Judaism emerged (by the Authority of Rome). Their traditions of Jesus day truly became law under Rome. They transferred many things of the temple to the synagogue. Thats why synagogues are sometimes called temples.

Jesus is our High Priest now:

”Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin. Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.” (Hebrews 4:14-16)

And we are Priests under Jesus The High Priest: 

“But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.” (1 Peter 2:9) 

“Jesus, the Christ, who isthe faithful witness and the first begotten of the dead and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us and washed us from our sins with his own blood and has made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him beglory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.” (Revelation 1:5-6)

[Anne2]

21 hours ago, Fidei Defensor said:

Jesus is our High Priest now:

Who denies this? Nobody that I can see? Am I missing something?

21 hours ago, Fidei Defensor said:

And we are Priests under Jesus The High Priest: 

“But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.” (1 Peter 2:9) 

OK?

As far as I know, so does Catholicism.

The high priest is Jesus Christ.

The priest officiating like the sons of Aaron

The people of the congregation like the levites.

As far as I know the Catholic laity are PARTICIPANTS in the communion. They participate in response with the clergy. I believe , The Orthodox even face the same direction as the clergy, and do not sit (no pews) during the service, in their participation in the ministration. My point is these ideas are not absent. That is what the missal is for. It helps the congregant to join in the ministration as a whole body.

The high priest and his function distinct from....

The sons of Aaron and their function distinct from.......

The Levites and their function........

 

Edited July 11, 2022 by Anne2

[Fidei Defensor]

3 hours ago, Anne2 said:

Who denies this? Nobody that I can see? Am I missing something?

OK?

As far as I know, so does Catholicism.

The high priest is Jesus Christ.

The priest officiating like the sons of Aaron

The people of the congregation like the levites.

As far as I know the Catholic laity are PARTICIPANTS in the communion. They participate in response with the clergy. I believe , The Orthodox even face the same direction as the clergy, and do not sit (no pews) during the service, in their participation in the ministration. My point is these ideas are not absent. That is what the missal is for. It helps the congregant to join in the ministration as a whole body.

The high priest and his function distinct from....

The sons of Aaron and their function distinct from.......

The Levites and their function........

 

The difference is there is no Levite Priesthood class, we all our priests and equal in Christ. 

[Anne2]

46 minutes ago, Fidei Defensor said:

The difference is there is no Levite Priesthood class, we all our priests and equal in Christ. 

 

There is no more order of Aaron or Levitical priesthood anymore either. Nobody is arguing that there is. Rather, It was for a pattern and Shadow.

Is 66:18  For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
19  And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.
20  And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD. {litters: or, coaches }
21  And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD.
 

Edited July 11, 2022 by Anne2

[Fidei Defensor]

1 minute ago, Anne2 said:

 

There is no more order of Aaron or Levitical priesthood anymore. It was for a pattern and Shadow.

Is 66:18  For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
19  And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.
20  And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD. {litters: or, coaches }
21  And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD.
 

The Levites are no longer needed, we all have The High Priest in us and we are in Him, “All who declare that Jesus is the Son of God have God living in them, and they live in God.” (1 John 4:15) 

For we have become God’s Living Temples:

“Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.” (1 Corinthians 3:16-17)

“Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own” (1 Corinthians 6:19) 

“What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, “I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.” (2 Corinthians 6:16)

“So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.” (Ephesians 2:19-22)

“For we are God's fellow workers. You are God's field, God's building.” (1 Corinthians 3:9)

And there shall be no temple in the New Jerusalem:

“And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb.” (Revelation 21:22)

We are One with God The Trinity, and thus are his priests (Revelation 1:5-6) and ambassadors (2 Corinthians 5:20). 

[Anne2]

1 hour ago, Fidei Defensor said:

The Levites are no longer needed

Nobody is arguing they are needed. None of the Arronic order is needed. It was for a pattern and Shadow.

Edited July 11, 2022 by Anne2

[Fidei Defensor]

3 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

Nob ody is arguing they are needed. None of the Arronic order is needed. It was for a pattern and Shadow.

Right, but the Romanite priesthood is a revival of the Levites, same for Eastern Orthodoxy priesthood. It happened with Constantine: 

“But I will say this: after completed the great building I have described, he finished it with thrones high up, to accord with dignity of the prelates (bishops, priests), and also with benches arranged conveniently throughout. In addition to all this, he placed in the middle the Holy of Holies -the altar- excluding, the general public from this part too by surrounding it with wooden trellis..," (The History of the Church, Eusebius, Penguin Classics, pg 315)

Constantine re-erected a holy of holies and made priestly caste, when Jesus tore the veil in holy of holies, “And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit. And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split,” (Matthew 25:50-51), made all Christians kings and priests, “from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and washed us from our sins by his blood, and made us to be a kings and priests to his God and Father; to him be the glory and the dominion unto the ages. Amen.” (Revelation 1:5-6), and we may enter holiest place by Jesus, “Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the heaven’s holiest place by the blood of Jesus.” (Hebrews 10:19). 

The Roman Church officially schismed from Eastern Orthodoxy in 1054 A.D. They were one Church since 323/325 A.D. Constantine had the original St. Peter’s Basilica built. 

[Your closest friendnt]

45 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

Nob ody is arguing they are needed. None of the Arronic order is needed. It was for a pattern and Shadow.

Not all Levites were priests.

The same thing, is for the believers in Jesus, not all of them are allowed in the Most Holy place.