Who is Resurrected, and When?

[truth7t7]

44 minutes ago, Diaste said:

 

So even though only the Trib saints are the ones resurrected at the time Jesus returns, the rest of the righteous are not lost but still must wait till the GWTJ where all the rest of the dead are resurrected, and they are judged by what is written in the books. 

Scripture teaches below the believer will be resurrected on "The Last Day" this literally means "The Last Day"

You teach there will be a believers resurrection at the second coming, and another believers resurrection 1,000 years later 

The scripture below shows your claims are "False"

There are (Two) resurrections on the (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power.

1.) (First Resurrection) To Life

2.) (Second Death) Resurrection To Damnation

Revelation 20:6KJV

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

Daniel 12:1-2KJV

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Edited November 28, 2022 by truth7t7

[Uriah]

1 hour ago, Diaste said:

Personally I think it would be weird if Jesus was married to billions, especially since Jesus says there is no marriage in heaven.

How weird to be married to a city, a collection of buildings and streets? And how is this city given white robes to wear?

Your quote about non-marriage among resurrected (and assumedly) raptured people applies to one another. 

Edited November 28, 2022 by Uriah
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[truth7t7]

2 hours ago, Diaste said:

All after the 1000 years when the last enemy is destroyed and all the righteous are saved from the flame and can join their brothers at the marriage supper.

Your claim is false, you can repeat your error over and over, God's Holy scripture below teaches otherwise 

Yes the last enemy death is destroyed when Jesus returns and the resurrection takes place in the twinkling of an eye and that equals "Immediately" in anybody's book

When Jesus returns the resurrection takes place, at this time the dead are raised "Incorruptible" as "Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory"

"THE LAST ENEMY DEATH IS DESTROYED" (THE END)

Read It Again And Again, "You Are Wrong"!

"Then Cometh The End"

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 52-54KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory, The End)

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Edited November 28, 2022 by truth7t7

[FreeGrace]

3 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

We have explained our positions over the past 7-8 pages, I have explained my position "thoroughly"

"We Disagree" Thanks For The Discussion

Jesus Is The Lord

Why are you unwilling to explain what you think Rev 20:1-6 is about, since you don't believe it is literal?  What, possibly, can it be teaching?

[truth7t7]

23 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Why are you unwilling to explain what you think Rev 20:1-6 is about, since you don't believe it is literal?  What, possibly, can it be teaching?

I have stated "several times" Revelation 20:1-6 is looking at the Lord's eternal spiritual realm where "one day is a thousand years "no literal earthly time", the dead souls are seen in this eternal realm reigning with Christ "Before" the second advent, simple and easy to understand

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?

2.) Physical Earthly Throne?

3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Edited November 28, 2022 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

31 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Why are you unwilling to explain what you think Rev 20:1-6 is about, since you don't believe it is literal?  What, possibly, can it be teaching?

My Explanation Concerning (Thousand Years) Is Simple And Easy To Understand

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Edited November 28, 2022 by truth7t7

[FreeGrace]

23 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

I have stated "several times" Revelation 20:1-6 is looking at the Lord's eternal spiritual realm where "one day is a thousand years "no literal earthly time", the dead souls are seen in this eternal realm reigning with Christ "Before" the second advent, simple and easy to understand

 

 

Where do you get all this from?  I mean, specifically?

"Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived"

Rev 19:15 - Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty."

So, where are the "nations" that will be ruled by Christ?  Oh, let's see.  How about the EARTH?  I'm not the one who is deceived.  The Bible is very clear.

"Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?

2.) Physical Earthly Throne?

3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)"

I see what you are doing.  You are making huge assumptions and making unreasonable demands on what specifically the Bible should say.

#1 is easily seen in Rev 20 because Jesus comes back to earth to "rule the nations".  So the physical earthly kingdom is ON earth.

#2 would OBVIOUSLY include a throne for the King to sit on.  EVERYONE knows that.  The Bible doesn't need to mention a physical throne in order to believe there will be one.

#3 are all the unbelievers who survived the Tribulation.  We know there will be believers who "are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord" per 1 Thess 4:17, and Rev 19:19-21 tell us that ALL of the armies that surrounded Jerusalem at the battle of Armageddon will be killed.  That leaves ALL the rest of the unbelievers who survived the Tribulation.

I'm curious why that isn't obvious to you.

"Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time"

All you are giving me is your own opinion, or whoever taught you what you believe.  Do you know how many times the words "one thousand" occur in Rev 20?  6 That should be a clue as to its literalness.

"2 Peter 3:8KJV

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

I wonder if you have any idea what this verse is actually referring to?  Why do you falsely apply this verse to Ref 20 anyway?  They aren't related, as anyone who simply reads both contexts easily sees.

The verse seems to be totally out of place in it's context about end times.  However, we know that the MK will be a time of peace and rest on earth.  This parallels God's 7th day of rest, which became a significant day of observation for the Jews.  So basically, since scholars have figured out from what we know of history that Adam lived approximately 6,000 years ago, Genesis 1 gives us an approximate time line for human history.  7,000 years total, with the MK being that last "thousand".

But to force this verse into Rev 20 has no merit at all.

"Revelation 20:1-6KJV

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

OK, now that you have quoted v.1-6, can you explain specifically what is being described or referenced.  There is a very clear timeline to this passage.  So, please explain it.

[FreeGrace]

25 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

My Explanation Concerning (Thousand Years) Is Simple And Easy To Understand

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Well, you didn't prove one thing about your theory.  The Bible explains itself.  All you've done is take a passage and say what you think it means.  And it doesn't even make any sense.

But thanks for at least explaining your ideas.

[truth7t7]

19 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Where do you get all this from?  I mean, specifically?

"Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived"

Rev 19:15 - Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty."

So, where are the "nations" that will be ruled by Christ?  Oh, let's see.  How about the EARTH?  I'm not the one who is deceived.  The Bible is very clear.

"Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?

2.) Physical Earthly Throne?

3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)"

I see what you are doing.  You are making huge assumptions and making unreasonable demands on what specifically the Bible should say.

#1 is easily seen in Rev 20 because Jesus comes back to earth to "rule the nations".  So the physical earthly kingdom is ON earth.

#2 would OBVIOUSLY include a throne for the King to sit on.  EVERYONE knows that.  The Bible doesn't need to mention a physical throne in order to believe there will be one.

#3 are all the unbelievers who survived the Tribulation.  We know there will be believers who "are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord" per 1 Thess 4:17, and Rev 19:19-21 tell us that ALL of the armies that surrounded Jerusalem at the battle of Armageddon will be killed.  That leaves ALL the rest of the unbelievers who survived the Tribulation.

I'm curious why that isn't obvious to you.

"Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time"

All you are giving me is your own opinion, or whoever taught you what you believe.  Do you know how many times the words "one thousand" occur in Rev 20?  6 That should be a clue as to its literalness.

"2 Peter 3:8KJV

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

I wonder if you have any idea what this verse is actually referring to?  Why do you falsely apply this verse to Ref 20 anyway?  They aren't related, as anyone who simply reads both contexts easily sees.

The verse seems to be totally out of place in it's context about end times.  However, we know that the MK will be a time of peace and rest on earth.  This parallels God's 7th day of rest, which became a significant day of observation for the Jews.  So basically, since scholars have figured out from what we know of history that Adam lived approximately 6,000 years ago, Genesis 1 gives us an approximate time line for human history.  7,000 years total, with the MK being that last "thousand".

But to force this verse into Rev 20 has no merit at all.

"Revelation 20:1-6KJV

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

OK, now that you have quoted v.1-6, can you explain specifically what is being described or referenced.  There is a very clear timeline to this passage.  So, please explain it.

I have fully explained my position,we disagree

You believe a future literal millennial kingdom on earth is seen in Revelation 20:1-6 and I believe it's in the Lord's eternal spiritual realm, it's that simple

Thanks for the time, we disagree

Jesus is the Lord

[truth7t7]

20 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Well, you didn't prove one thing about your theory.  The Bible explains itself.  All you've done is take a passage and say what you think it means.  And it doesn't even make any sense.

But thanks for at least explaining your ideas.

Yes We Disagree, Jesus Is The Lord