Who is Resurrected, and When?

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

I have fully explained my position,we disagree

I didn't ask for your opinion.  I asked where you got your information from.

"You believe a future literal millennial kingdom on earth is seen in Revelation 20:1-6 and I believe it's in the Lord's eternal spiritual realm, it's that simple"

Yes, you've said that multiple times.  But what's your evidence?  What has convinced you to reject a literal understanding in favor of your unsubstantiated idea?

[truth7t7]

7 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

I didn't ask for your opinion.  I asked where you got your information from.

"You believe a future literal millennial kingdom on earth is seen in Revelation 20:1-6 and I believe it's in the Lord's eternal spiritual realm, it's that simple"

Yes, you've said that multiple times.  But what's your evidence?  What has convinced you to reject a literal understanding in favor of your unsubstantiated idea?

It's my opinion and belief your "Wrong" in your interpretation of Revelation 20:1-6, it's your opinion and belief I'm "Wrong"

We have spent much time sharing our beliefs and opinions

"We Disagree"

Jesus Is The Lord

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

It's my opinion and belief your "Wrong" in your interpretation of Revelation 20:1-6, it's your opinion and belief I'm "Wrong"

We have spent much time sharing our beliefs and opinions

"We Disagree"

Jesus Is The Lord

OK, I asked where you got your opinion about Rev 20:1-6 not being literal, and you won't answer.  

So there's nothing more to discuss.  But thanks for your opinion.

[seeking the lost]

On 11/26/2022 at 1:36 PM, FreeGrace said:

Since 1 Cor 15:23 is very clear about there being just ONE resurrection of the saved, and we know that Jesus comes back at the Second Advent, all references to resurrection or "His coming", "gathering" or "caught up" are about the Second Advent, when the single resurrection of the saved will occur.

Consider Matthew 25: 

The Sheep and the Goats

31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

The first words of this passage refer to the coming of the Lord.  All nations are brought before Him.  There is now a separation of sheep and goats.  The destiny of each is now pronounced.

[seeking the lost]

On 11/26/2022 at 11:38 AM, truth7t7 said:

There are (Two) resurrections on the (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power.

1.) (First Resurrection) To Eternal Life

2.) (Second Death) Resurrection To Eternal Damnation

Consider Matthew 25: 

The Sheep and the Goats

31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Jesus comes in glory as the text records.  All nations are brought before Him.  Then there is a separation of sheep and goats.  If there were separate resurrections as you say there would not be this separation.  If the sheep and the goats are not there together Jesus's words become meaningless.

[FreeGrace]

30 minutes ago, seeking the lost said:

Consider Matthew 25: 

The Sheep and the Goats

This is what I had said:  "Since 1 Cor 15:23 is very clear about there being just ONE resurrection of the saved, and we know that Jesus comes back at the Second Advent, all references to resurrection or "His coming", "gathering" or "caught up" are about the Second Advent, when the single resurrection of the saved will occur."

Are you trying to pit Scripture against Scripture?  Do you think Matt 25 trumps 1 Cor 15:23?

When I read about the sheep and goats in Matt 25, it seems clear to me that this occurs at the GWT judgment, which is for the unsaved.  So, where are all the glorified believers at this point?  Probably serving the King at this judgment.  So there will be "sheep" at the "goat" judgment, obviously.

v.34 - Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Jesus will say this to all the glorified believers present.  The "kingdom prepared" for them will be the new earth and New Jerusalem.

We know that all the saved will be resurrected and glorified at the Second Advent.  And we know that the GWT will be 1,000 years after the resurrection of the saved.

You said:  "The first words of this passage refer to the coming of the Lord.  All nations are brought before Him.  There is now a separation of sheep and goats.  The destiny of each is now pronounced."

No, The Lord returns to end the Tribulation and set up His MK.  And at that time, "when He comes", per 1 Cor 15:23, all the saved will receive glorified bodies, just like His.  The unbelievers will all die before the GWT and they will be resurrected back into their mortal bodies, only to be cast into the LOF.  This is why the LOF is also called the "second death".  They will die TWICE physically.  And their souls will be tormented day and night for ever and ever, per Rev 20:10.

[seeking the lost]

22 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

When I read about the sheep and goats in Matt 25, it seems clear to me that this occurs at the GWT judgment, which is for the unsaved.  So, where are all the glorified believers at this point?  Probably serving the King at this judgment.  So there will be "sheep" at the "goat" judgment, obviously.

There are no sheep among the unsaved.

[farouk]

2 minutes ago, seeking the lost said:

There are no sheep among the unsaved.

@seeking the lost As part of the Matt 25 passage, true indeed.

In John 10 the Lord Jesus speaks of 'My sheep'; that is, there are other sheep who do not hear His voice.

(Great screen name there, BTW...)

[farouk]

9 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Scripture teaches below the believer will be resurrected on "The Last Day" this literally means "The Last Day"

You teach there will be a believers resurrection at the second coming, and another believers resurrection 1,000 years later 

The scripture below shows your claims are "False"

There are (Two) resurrections on the (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power.

1.) (First Resurrection) To Life

2.) (Second Death) Resurrection To Damnation

Revelation 20:6KJV

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

Daniel 12:1-2KJV

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

It's clear that in 1 Cor. 11.26 the Lord Jesus is speaking of the church at His coming.

I don't see, Jews, Gentiles and the church of God (1 Corinthians 10.32) all lumped together in God's plans and purposes.

[FreeGrace]

4 hours ago, seeking the lost said:

There are no sheep among the unsaved.

OK, this is what I said:  "When I read about the sheep and goats in Matt 25, it seems clear to me that this occurs at the GWT judgment, which is for the unsaved.  So, where are all the glorified believers at this point?  Probably serving the King at this judgment.  So there will be "sheep" at the "goat" judgment, obviously."

In John 10, there ARE unsaved sheep.  Jesus spoke of both HIS sheep and those (sheep) who were NOT HIS.  Together, they make up THE sheep, for which Jesus said He would die for.

This is elementary.  Context is key here.  I never said Matt 25 had unsaved sheep.