Who is Resurrected, and When?

[Selah7]

40 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

What is a FIRST resurrection?  

We have those who are born and while they yet live, come to faith and belief, and never die.  

That takes place 'every man in his own order'.  Aka we live, our first body dies and we follow Him to be where He is and we return with Him.  

The WHEN is established by the 'everyman in his own order'/of them that slept/those who are His at His return' which are ALL at different times, 

so we know a FIRST resurrection CAN NOT be about a 'certain day' or a specific time because IF, as some teach it is a 'LAST DAY', it would MAKE VOID the words of God. 

You can go back in this thread a hundred pages and besides someone STATING/proclaiming/insisting that they believe 'a verse to state' such and such a thing,

THEY never address the conflicts it creates NOR do they ever propose a solution.  And we KNOW if it could be done it would be.  So, It is EITHER every man in his own order and then those when He returns, OR IT ISN'T.  It can't be both.  


Since it is THE DEAD who 'rise' when He returns, and NOT THE LIVING/never die, that are returning WITH HIM,  the FIRST resurrection CANT be on that day or at that time. 

SO IT MUST BE OF KIND

Those who HEAR HIS VOICE and follow Him and NEVER DESCEND into hell but follow Him straight to heaven, they are of a FIRST resurrection, they never die. 

Doesn't matter if they lived and died and were raised 5 years after Christ or 2000 years after Christ, they ARE OF GOD and not of this world and they 

DON'T NEED ANOTHER CHANCE or even a 1st chance out from the DEAD. 

They don't need to be RAISED up out from the dead when Christ returns they are already with Him.  They don't need to do WORKS to get their names put in the book of life like THE DEAD that rise do before the GWTJ

because they CAME TO LIFE while they yet LIVED AND are judged at the seat of Christ in heaven by FAITH, not works.  Their FIRST resurrection took place when they went from DEAD to ALIVE by faith.  God is not a respecter of persons.  Those born 100 years ago are not WAITING for Christs return to be with Christ.  

Can we be POSITIVE?  Yes, because IT IS WRITTEN


15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord


shall not prevent them which are asleep.

The final generation that will be 'alive and remaining' DON'T STOP all those who have come before from going to be with the Lord.  

The verse PREVIOUS to that one ALSO tells us for sure that

14For if we believe that

Jesus died and rose again

EVEN SO THEM

also which sleep in Jesus

will God

bring with Him.


So EVERYONE who doesn't GO TO HELL and await the return of Christ

but INSTEAD FOLLOW HIM BECAUSE THE NEVER DIE ARE OF THE FIRST RESURRECTION.  

Try it.  TRY and find somewhere, anywhere within the words of God where IT DOESN'T REMAIN true/TRUTH

or even try and find a place in what is written where IT CAUSES CONFLICT because that is when you KNOW you are on the narrow path.   

IT is written and
it doesn't conflict and
it doesn't make void the words of God.  

How can we be sure it is not of time or day or place?  You have 100 pages in JUST THIS THREAD showing us that NO ONE can resolve the problem ANY OTHER WAY.  

One guy says it is of a last day.  One guy says it is of a 'certain' people.  One guy says it is of a 'kind of death'.  AND there is ALWAYS some sort of conflict that proves THOSE can't be GODS TRUTH.

 25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: (OF THEM THAT SLEPT)


26And whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die. Believest thou this?



NOTICE WHAT THE SUBJECT ISN'T? 

THE END OF THE WORLD.  THE END OF THE TRIBULATION.  A 'LAST DAY'.  His return.  

YES, martha did say SHE KNEW....but Jesus NEVER AGREED but instead corrected her.

The 'last day' WASN'T the RESURRECTION, AS she had been taught, HE WAS has been ever since the NEW COVENANT came in and DOES what could NOT be done under the law, that being things like

forgive sin and wash us clean and pay the ransom....


So in simple, those who come to believe and are saved before they die and everyman in his own order...
  

Thanks for the reply.  I think you and I probably agree on a lot of things except that I believe there is only ONE FIRST RESURRECTION TO IMMORTALITY.  This event happens at the second coming of Christ.  
 

Edited February 8, 2023 by Selah7

[truth7t7]

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Scripture clearly teaches THE NEVER DIE will be coming with Jesus at His return the second Advent,

JUST AS
Scripture CLEARLY teaches at the event of the second coming, 

THE DEAD WILL RISE

so, it is YOU and not the words of God and/or what is written

that teach such a thing

as 'glorified bodies' coming from the CORRUPTION of the earth.


 

Only thing coming up from the corruption of the earth at the return of Christ

IS THE DEAD.

BOTH THE JUST AND UNJUST DEAD but none the less THE DEAD.  They may even BE 'in Christ' but they remain, NONE THE LESS, the DEAD.


YOU KNOW WHO ISN'T DEAD? nor will be 'the dead' when Christ returns?

THE LIVING.  THE NEVER DIE.  Because NOT ONLY are they NOT THE DEAD before that day

THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN IN the dead



NOR will the LIVING ever be in

THE CORRUPTION OF THE EARTH.  That is for those of THIS WORLD. 

And those DEAD that are raised up from corruption,

DON'T INHERIT incorruption

PROVING they are not THE NEVER DIE having 'at some point' been 'RENDERED' the dead.  

50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
 

42So also is the resurrection of the dead.

It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory:

it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

 IF what you CLAIM was written YOU WOULD have already PRODUCE IT

in GODS WORDS,

and not always JUST repeating your own words. 

All living humans that have ever died are in the grave waiting upon the last day resurrection, as their "Souls" are currently with the Lord in Abraham's bosom 

Direct Question: Are you 7th Day Adventist or Jehovahs Witness?

[DeighAnn]

On 2/7/2023 at 1:05 PM, Selah7 said:

The living are resurrected when Jesus returns in the twinkling of an eye. The living who are Christians will partake of the FIRST Resurrection and will receive immortality. Unbelievers, on the other hand, will be changed into their incorruptible but still mortal spiritual bodies until after the millennium at the Great White Throne Judgment where they will be judged by their works.

Unbelievers and those who have been deceived are going to DIE their first death. 

Can't have a 'second' one with out it.  HENCE the 'dead' rise..

So it is AFTER all the tares have been burned, or eaten by birds, or killed by the sword, or put into the wine press, or destroyed, ect... 

The dead 'rising' is the dead coming UP from the corruption of the earth aka neither doeth corruption inherit incorruption....receiving their MORTAL but none the less 'spiritual' bodies.  


The LIVING when Christ returns are 'the ALIVE and remaining who are CHANGED'.  They ALSO 'never die'.  They ALSO are of the first resurrection as while they YET LIVED believed in Him and never die.

But THE DEAD who rise from the corruption of the earth,

AREN'T THE LIVING who followed Christ first to heaven and then back to earth to rule and reign.  

Have you NOTICED what NO ONE can put forth?  

NO ONE can show 'souls' without bodies leaving nor being returned. 
NO ONE can show those 'living' becoming a part of 'the dead'


 

[DeighAnn]

27 minutes ago, Selah7 said:

Thanks for the reply.  I think you and I probably agree on a lot of things except that I believe there is only ONE FIRST RESURRECTION TO IMMORTALITY.  This event happens at the second coming of Christ.  
 

We do agree on many many things.  And I also used to have that understanding.   Just couldn't find anyone to rule and reign over, and couldn't find where the 'never die' were rendered dead, and that 'neither doth corruption inherit incorruption' problem. 

If ONLY the alive and remaining who were changed because they endured to the end were of the first resurrection, then would those who never died and followed Him, say JOHN, who followed Him 2000 years ago, be of a 'second' resurrection that came before the first?  How does that work?  

[DeighAnn]

16 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

All living humans that have ever died are in the grave waiting upon the last day resurrection, as their "Souls" are currently with the Lord in Abraham's bosom 

Direct Question: Are you 7th Day Adventist or Jehovahs Witness?

DIRECT ANSWER:  NO.  I don't even know what they DO believe, as they will NEVER return to my house because they can't even answer who the 12 tribes of Israel are.  So they never get to tell me what they believe not being able to give that very simple truth of Gods word. 

SO, you don't believe that the death and resurrection of Christ did anything for us? 

Do you believe that CHRIST is in the bosom of Abraham also?  

Who exactly do you believe were 'them that slept'?  Or who do you believe came out of the graves?  Who do you believe the 'captivity' that FOLLOWED HIM when He ascended were?

[Selah7]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

Just couldn't find anyone to rule and reign over,

The FIRST resurrection group reigns over those who were not granted immortality and did not partake in the FIRST resurrection.  

The FIRST resurrection group will be priests, teaching those who never had a chance to be saved for whatever reason.

THE FIRST resurrection group has obtained immortality.  The rest of the dead (spiritually dead) are still mortal, liable to die, even though they are in their incorruptible bodies—they will face the GWTJ where they will either partake in the second resurrection and obtain immortality or face the second death.

[DeighAnn]

2 minutes ago, Selah7 said:

The FIRST resurrection group reigns over those who were not granted immortality and did not partake in the FIRST resurrection.  

The FIRST resurrection group will be priests, teaching those who never had a chance to be saved for whatever reason.

THE FIRST resurrection group has obtained immortality.  The rest of the dead (spiritually dead) are still mortal, liable to die, even though they are in their incorruptible bodies—they will face the GWTJ where they will either partake in the second resurrection and obtain immortality or face the second death.

The saved reign with Christ over the unsaved?

The saved (the returning who never die) will teach those who never heard (the dead who are raised up when He returns) Gods truth?

The saved follow Him and return with Him?

The dead who bury their dead rise up from the dead when Christ returns and though they remain mortal but rise in their spiritual bodies for the Lords Day?

The dead will be judged at the GWTJ and either have gotten their name put in the book of life aka receive their immortality or go to the 2nd death?


If I am reading you right, then yes, I think.  

[Selah7]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

and couldn't find where the 'never die' were rendered dead

Believers ‘never die’ and are never rendered dead.  Only their flesh body has died; they are “dead in Christ.”

I Thessalonians 4:16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with a voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first”

The Lord returns at the seventh trump.  Why will the “dead in Christ” rise first? Because their spirits have already returned to God.

Right?

[Selah7]

7 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

The saved reign with Christ over the unsaved?

Yes.

 

8 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

The saved (the returning who never die) will teach those who never heard (the dead who are raised up when He returns) Gods truth?

Yes.

9 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

The saved follow Him and return with Him?

Yes.

 

[Selah7]

10 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

The dead who bury their dead rise up from the dead when Christ returns and though they remain mortal but rise in their spiritual bodies for the Lords Day?

Yes. The spiritually dead (unsaved who didn’t partake in the First resurrection) will also be changed into a spiritual body on the Lord’s Day, but it will be mortal, liable to die.  They have not received immortality.