Who is Resurrected, and When?

[DeighAnn]

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

Sure, sure. You go with that. 

I will go with what I POSTED

BUT NONE of what was attempted to be attached to me through  ignorance of what I was speaking to





 

Edited February 12, 2023 by DeighAnn

[DeighAnn]

23 hours ago, Selah7 said:

If you read carefully @Diaste, you will see that 1 Corinthians 15:52 is talking about what happens at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.  And when does this happen? at the last trump which is the 7th trump.  Those changed are those alive then—at the 7th trump.  EVERYONE in that twinkling moment will be changed from flesh body to spiritual body. It’s so simple!

How to ask this...because I have a problem with the EVERYONE is changed because

Starting with the two witnesses are killed and heaven opens they stand and everyone sees them rise 

ALIVE AND ON EARTH at the moment are:

THE SAVED
and
THE MARKED

what we read is 
17Then we which are alive and remain, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


If it is EVERYONE who is changed at that moment then here is the PROBLEM I run into
 

17Then we which are alive and remain,

THE SAVED
and
THE MARKED

shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,

THE SAVED
and
THE MARKED

to meet the Lord in the air:

THE SAVED
and
THE MARKED

and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

THE SAVED
and
THE MARKED


What am I seeing or not seeing that I need to, to understand what you mean by EVERYONE


1.  time shortened or NO FLESH would be saved but for the elect's sake...
2.  first death then 2nd death, if no first death then is 2nd death 2nd?...
3.  the whole world deceived - come to destroy them that destroy world, can they be changed without BEING DESTROYED?

 

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, Diaste said:

Huh?

The Unseen Realm becoming The Seen Realm, doesn't change whether someone has received eternal salvation or not.  

If in this earthen vessel you had received ETERNAL SALVATION

You will STILL have eternal salvation in the heavenly vessel aka IMMORTALITY

ON the other hand

if in this earthen vessel you had NOT received THE GIFT OF ETERNAL SALVATION and so had been mortal (going to stand in judgment at the GWTJ 2nd death)

then in the 'heavenly vessel' you are STILL GOING TO BE MORTAL (going to stand in judgment at the GWTJ 2nd death)




OR put another way

When Christ comes a soul has either been marked or not.

HEAVEN by way of CHRIST is coming to reign upon the earth for the Lords Day

ENDING the 'flesh and blood' made of the dust of the ground Age aka 'yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death' days

[Selah7]

 

21 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

How to ask this...because I have a problem with the EVERYONE is changed because

Starting with the two witnesses are killed and heaven opens they stand and everyone sees them rise 

ALIVE AND ON EARTH at the moment are:

THE SAVED
and
THE MARKED

what we read is 
17Then we which are alive and remain, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


If it is EVERYONE who is changed at that moment then here is the PROBLEM I run into
 

17Then we which are alive and remain,

THE SAVED
and
THE MARKED

shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,

THE SAVED
and
THE MARKED

to meet the Lord in the air:

THE SAVED
and
THE MARKED

and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

THE SAVED
and
THE MARKED


What am I seeing or not seeing that I need to, to understand what you mean by EVERYONE


1.  time shortened or NO FLESH would be saved but for the elect's sake...
2.  first death then 2nd death, if no first death then is 2nd death 2nd?...
3.  the whole world deceived - come to destroy them that destroy world, can they be changed without BEING DESTROYED?

 

Uh… so what’s the question?  

Edited February 12, 2023 by Selah7

[Selah7]

Does this help? @DeighAnn

(reposting this)

The very last thing that happens in this flesh age is the 7th Trump.
When Jesus Christ returns as King of kings and Lord of lords, He eliminates the army at Hamon-gog and the crowd that has assembled at Armageddon (see Ezek. 38–39), and He establishes the millennial kingdom of God on this earth.

Paul explains this in 1 Corinthians 15:50 when he says that flesh and blood cannot enter into that kingdom, which is the millennial rule of Christ. There will be not one person who will stay alive in the flesh. So whether they are among the dead bodies left in the valley of Hamon-gog or the spiritually dead, or God's elect, it doesn’t matter. They are all changed. The flesh age ends when Yeshua returns at that glorious sound of the 7th trump. 

[DeighAnn]

4 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

So, too, the thief on the cross would be unaware of the passage of time from the moment he suffocated on the cross to the time he would be resurrected at the Lord's Return and his personal resurrection!

Are you saying WE DO DIE?  and

We are buried body/soul/spirit in the grave? and

We stay there until Christ returns which only seems like a second?


Please, a yes or a no...............followed by an explanation.


 

[DeighAnn]

1 minute ago, Selah7 said:

Does this help? @DeighAnn

(reposting this)

 

The very last thing that happens in this flesh age is the 7th Trump.
When Jesus Christ returns as King of kings and Lord of lords, He eliminates the army at Hamon-gog and the crowd that has assembled at Armageddon (see Ezek. 38–39), and He establishes the millennial kingdom of God on this earth.

Paul explains this in 1 Corinthians 15:50 when he says that flesh and blood cannot enter into that kingdom, which is the millennial rule of Christ. There will be not one person who will stay alive in the flesh. So whether they are among the dead bodies left in the valley of Hamon-gog or the spiritually dead, or God's elect, it doesn’t matter. They are all changed. The flesh age ends when Yeshua returns at that glorious sound of the 7th trump. 

What would help would be

if you said something very exact like

all those who have taken the mark of the beast will DIE when Christ returns

leaving ONLY those who didn't, Gods elect AS the EVERYONE I am referring to

or however your truth plays out.  So I can understand exactly where you stand.


 

[Selah7]

12 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

What would help would be

if you said something very exact like

all those who have taken the mark of the beast will DIE when Christ returns

leaving ONLY those who didn't, Gods elect AS the EVERYONE I am referring to

or however your truth plays out.  So I can understand exactly where you stand.


 

All those who die on the Lord’s Day are still changed into an incorruptible spiritual body.

[DeighAnn]

21 minutes ago, Selah7 said:

 

Uh… so what’s the question?  

Do you see those who have taken the mark of the beast
(EVERYONE is changed)

as receiving their immortality when Christ returns?
(to ever be with the Lord)

I am NOT looking for the Scripture being used

but HOW you see that Scripture playing out IN REAL LIFE.

WHO do you include or exclude in the 'EVERYONE'?   

IF, you include those who have taken the MARK in the 'EVERYONE'

THEN how do they get EXCLUDED from 'to be ever with the Lord'?



 And if EVERYONE includes those who have taken the mark of the beast

how 

[DeighAnn]

1 minute ago, Selah7 said:

All those who die on the Lord’s Day are still changed into an incorruptible spiritual body.

But that isn't in question here is it?  

It's where you don't want to go that is in question. But I will tell you this, it is at those times, when your heart starts to beat real hard and fast, and you get really scared, and you find you have fallen down on your knees, face to the ground in prayer and repentance with strong crying....that HE REALLY starts to work in ways that aren't spoken of, because there are no words to describe it.  BUT  

For now, let's say we let it go and LET GOD.  Shall we?  I am good with that.