Who is Resurrected, and When?

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

You are confused about "spirit".  There is no such thing as "our SPIRITUAL SPIRIT".  That's just double talk.  Believers have a human spirit and a soul.  In 1 Cor 14, Paul differentiated between the believer's spirit and soul (which he calls the "mind") in v.14 - For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind (soul) is unfruitful.

If you go and do a study on spirit and soul you will see YOU CAN'T DO THAT.  There is not ONE single definition for the words.  The CONTEXT or precept on precept dictates what is meant.  So just another distraction here.  Could it be YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT?  Wow, I guess you learn something new every day.  And LOOK it wasn't me that was confused.  You are always calling yourself out on that.  Wonder why you don't stop?  I don't. 

[DeighAnn]

39 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

This is an example of your confusion.  

Can you explain HOW "the dead" become "dead"?  Because that's basically what you are saying.

Let the dead bury their dead. 

Yes, the UNSAVED die and go to hell. 

THAT is how the DEAD become dead.  

AGAIN, not me who is confused

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

Flesh gives birth to flesh

What 'spirit' was there before?

"A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh." Ezekiel 36:26 KJV


What 'spirit' did Pharaoh have?  He wasn't saved.  He wasn't born from above.  He was just a flesh man.  
 

7And the seven thin ears devoured the seven rank and full ears. And Pharaoh awoke, and, behold, it was a dream.

8And it came to pass in the morning that his spirit was troubled; and he sent and called for all the magicians of Egypt, and all the wise men thereof: and Pharaoh told them his dream; but there was none that could interpret them unto Pharaoh. Gen 41

AGAIN, not saved yet with a human spirit...
"But Sihon king of Heshbon would not let us pass by him: for the LORD thy God hardened his spirit, and made his heart obstinate, that he might deliver him into thy hand, as appeareth this day." Deuteronomy 2:30 KJV


So MANS SPIRIT DIDN'T DIE.  


 but it was GODS SPIRIT being able to DWELL with us, that was cut off when sin came into the world. That is why we needed to be RECONCILED to Him.    

That is why we need to be born FROM HIS SPIRIT, born from above.  BORN of THE SPIRIT OF GOD.  We need a NEW SPIRIT.  We have to ask that Spirit be BORN IN US AGAIN.  

I have heard these things but never given much thought to them so WHO KNOWS, maybe I am wrong here,
but this isn't the place and I am already getting on Diastes nerves so will stop here and ask to end this conversation in this op



 

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

hey don't get immortal bodies, as you previously claimed.  If they did, the LOF couldn't be called the second death.

Tell me what post I wrote they get immortal bodies?  OR APOLOGIZE if you wish to speak with me again.  Till then BYE.


 

28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Seems to be yet another NON TRUTH,  but I am sure it comes with EXCEPTIONS AND EXPLANATIONS ON WHY WHAT IS WRITTEN ISN'T WHAT IS MEANT OR AS SATAN PUT IT WHEN QUESTIONING GODS WORD

YEA, HATH GOD SAID.   

Just couldn't let this go unaddressed.  

 

Edited February 13, 2023 by DeighAnn

[Keras]

On 2/8/2023 at 1:47 AM, FreeGrace said:

Heb 9:27 doesn't say "right away", as it seems you believe

Right; the Judgment does not come immediately. The souls of all the dead wait for the GWT Judgment, after the thousand years is over. Revelation 20:11-15

For a dead person, time passes without their being conscious of it. Even Adam must wait nearly 7000 years. But when the dead rise to stand before God, it will be their next moment of awareness and the passing of time means nothing to them. 

This issue of who and when people receive immortality, is coloured by many pre-conceived beliefs.  We must clear our minds and just read and understand what is Written.    Revelation 20:11-15, is the clear statement of how ALL the dead will be raised to stand before God in Judgment. There is NO other general resurrection. 

ONLY those people killed for their faith during the last 42 months before Jesus Returns, will be brought back to life. Not given immortality yet.

[FreeGrace]

5 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Please do me a favor and put the 'double click failed' where you put your comments and don't add them to my postings please. 

[Well, I DO put the double click where I put my comments, since for some reason, your posts seem immune to  the double click feature.  I don't have that issue with other posters.  And I put my comments in red to differentiate from your comments.  I don't want to confuse anyone as to who said what.] 

I get my information from what is written.

[So do I.]   

50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Though WE MAY BE IN CORRUPTIBLE bodies, the LIVING do not descend into the corruption, LIKE THE DEAD SOULS DO.

[No one said they do.   You are making statements that correct no one.]

The dead carcass of ALL souls go back to dust,

[To clarify, dead physical bodies decay.  And souls don't "have dead carcasses".  When a person dies, their soul leaves their body (carcass).]

but it is about where the souls themselves go, where they begin their life in the next realm.  In heaven or hell

[Once again, souls of saved people go to be with the Lord and souls of unsaved people go to Hades, where the rich man from Luke 16 went.]

"But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption." Acts 13:37 KJV

"Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption." Acts 13:35 KJV
"He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption." Acts 2:31 KJV

[This refers to Jesus Christ.]

When SOULS go to hell their spiritual BODIES see CORRUPTION

No such thing.  Souls in Hades do nnot "see corruption".  Since you keep claiming that you "get your information from what is written", where was this written?  Since it isn't in the Bible.

[FreeGrace]

5 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

I said:

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[But you just claimed that "all the dead"will receive an incorruptible body.  That would mean all unbelievers cannot die again.  Your views are conflicted"

No, you just wont take the time to see.

[I see perfectly fine.  And I see your conflicted claims clearly.]  

All the dead will receive an incorruptible body,  meaning MEN will not be able to kill men, but GOD can and will destroy EVEN and INCORRUPTIBE BODY in the lake of fire.

[Can you tell us where "this is written" since it didn't come from the Bible.]

  Just because one has not come to that understanding does not make it false.  Like you said, albeit at the wrong time, GOD is OMNIPOTENT.

[Of course is omnipotent, but that doesn't support your unbiblical claim.  Please cite your source when you make claims that aren't in the Bible.  IF any claim does come from the Bible, also cite where.  Thanks.]  

OBVIOUSLY, God is AWARE the first body has DIED, right?  SO, we KNOW He must be referring to the 2nd body, right?   There are 2 bodies, right?  As we have born this one we will bear the next one, right?  I don't need to give Scriptures for any of that, right?

Wrong.  Why would we know that a dead body means there is a 2nd body?  

[FreeGrace]

5 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

I am not talking about the resurrection of the believers, but the resurrection of the DEAD when Christ returns.  

[Huh?  those who come WITH Christ ARE believers.  You are still confused.]

I'll stop

Thank you.

[FreeGrace]

4 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

I said:

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Are you really unaware that Paul was ONLY referring to saved people in 1 Cor 15?  He wasn't referring to "all the dead"."

Are you really unaware that is just another conclusion of man and I don't let mans doctrines dictate how Gods word is read?

[You still remain confused.  Very confused.  To think that Paul was referring to anyone and everyone who will be resurrected is quite naive.]

I believe in the leading of the Holy Spirit and I don't allow the doctrines of man get in the way.  SO you are going to have to TRY to make that dictate what you believe without me.

[The problem here is all your claims that do NOT come from the Bible.  So you are NOT being led by the Holy Spirit.  He is the Spirit of TRUTH.  What you claim that isn't in the Bible CANNOT be from the Holy Spirit.  Which explains your confusion.]  

My point is you do not have to be SAVED to be in a spiritual body...."Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God." Matthew 22:29 KJV

Again, you are very confused.  Unsaved people will NEVER have a "spiritual body".  Only believers will have a body just like Jesus' glorified body.  

Trying to hide behind what Jesus said, which is IRRELEVANT to your non biblical claims about spiritual bodies, doesn't help you.  

You are the one who doesn't know the Scriptures, so what Jesus said applies to you.

So many of your claims are NOT in the Bible.  Or you'd quote verses that say what the Bible says.

[FreeGrace]

4 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

If you go and do a study on spirit and soul you will see YOU CAN'T DO THAT.  There is not ONE single definition for the words.  The CONTEXT or precept on precept dictates what is meant.  So just another distraction here.  Could it be YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT?  Wow, I guess you learn something new every day.  And LOOK it wasn't me that was confused.  You are always calling yourself out on that.  Wonder why you don't stop?  I don't. 

Can't "do" what?  I DO study the Scriptures, which is why I am able to call YOU out on your errors.

Where have I "called myself out"?  That's a silly claim.  No one "calls themselves out".  Kind of like pointing out errors.  I call out YOUR errors.