Who is Resurrected, and When?

[Diaste]

On 1/2/2023 at 10:32 AM, FreeGrace said:

What do yu mean "only many of rthe siants arose"?  We know from 1 Thess 4 that there will be LIVING believers who don't have to be resurrected.  But they will be changed in order to have the SAME kind of body Jesus has.  Unless you can clearly prove that "those who are His" doesn't include all saved people from Adam on, you have no point.

Here's what you seem to miss.  If there were a "silent" coming before the Trib, then the numbering of the Second Advent would be WRONG.  The point is that there are only 2 advents prophesied in the OT.  And there are no verses that refer to the resurrection of believers in the plural.  ALL references are in the singular.  So trying to dice the singular resurrection into "stages" etc, isn't supported in Scripture.

Yes, there IS evidence.  1 Cor 15:23 includes ALL believers, and you can't show otherwise.  The problem is that 1 Cor 15:23 refutes your theory and you are just trying to negate the verse.

Since there is no mention of a pretrib rapture, why ASSUME there will be?  On WHAT basis?  That's the point.  There isn't one.

Thanks for your contributions. I'm out of this one.

Blessings. 

[FreeGrace]

On 1/2/2023 at 9:56 PM, DeighAnn said:

THE only ones who will BELONG to Him when He returns

are those who have NOT taken the mark of the beast

and that would be the ALIVE AND REMAINING who will be changed.
 

No offense, but that is simply preposterous.  The whole topic in 1 Cor 15 is the resurrection of the SAVED.  ALL of the saved.

So v23 tells us WHEN that singular resurrection will occur;  when He comes.

So, "those who belong to Him" has nothing to do with the narrow view of the Tribulation itself.  Of course all martyrs will be included, but Paul wasn't discussing "just the Tribulation", as you seem to think

He was referring to ALL saved people.

[FreeGrace]

10 minutes ago, Diaste said:

You keep saying that.

Everyone belongs to Him. Just by the judgement and the final disposition of every soul it's manifest every soul is His and He will decide their destiny.

Because that is exactly what Paul was referring to.

10 minutes ago, Diaste said:

You are confusing the insincere followers who do it for immoral reasons with the justice of the fair and equitable judgement of Matt 25 and Rev 20; to wit:

Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, 36I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you looked after Me, I was in prison and you visited Me.’

37Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink? 38When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39When did we see You sick or in prison and visit You?’

40And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’

Clearly a deeds based adjudication of souls here.

"And there were open books, and one of them was the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their deeds, as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up its dead, and Death and Hades gave up their dead, and each one was judged according to his deeds."

And I'm hardly grasping at straws. You keep saying it's all believers from all time yet I see no evidence that is the case as recorded in scripture, except at the 2nd resurrection where the 2nd death wields power. 

So offer up the proof it's 'all from all time' at the primary resurrection instead of the opinion 'it has to be'. 

Okay.

I think you are confused.  Where do you get "insincere followers" anywhere in the context of 1 Cor 15?  You're just picking and choosing verses to try to tie together your view of things.  Stay with 1 Cor 15.  It's about all believers and their resurrection.

[DeighAnn]

6 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

No offense, but that is simply preposterous.  The whole topic in 1 Cor 15 is the resurrection of the SAVED.  ALL of the saved.

Really?  Have you looked at it in the Berean way?  BECAUSE My BIBLE reads 

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 1 Thess 4

THOSE WHO BELONG TO HIM ARE COMING BACK WITH HIM.

THOSE on the PLANET EARTH when He returns HAVE EITHER
1. taken the mark of the beast
2. or not aka ALIVE and remain, overcome, endured to the end, remained faithful, are not with child giving suck, took enough oil to stay in the light without buying and selling, were wise virgins, didn't suffer anyone to break into the house, were found in the field working etc. 



15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

Christ is gathering HIS BODY up in heaven EVERY MAN IN HIS OWN ORDER, and the first MASS resurrection came when the graves were opened and when He ascended He led those who had been bound with Him.  

SAYING IT AGAIN BUT IN ANOTHER WAY, NO ONE STOPS THOSE WHO 'SLEEP' FROM 'FOLLOWING HIM' IF THEY HAVE COME TO KNOW THE LORD, THE WAY AND THE RESURRECTION.  THOSE WHO BELONG TO HIM 

FOLLOW HIM. THEY NEVER DIE. 

HOW DARE YOU CALL THEM DEAD.  THEY HAVE RECEIVED THE GIFT OF SALVATION.  They have been SAVED FROM DEATH and destruction.  Jesus tasted DEATH FOR THEM so they would never have to.  HE DID WHAT THE LAW COULD NOT DO.  RENDER FORGIVENESS.  NO SIN NO DEATH NO RESURRECTION OUT FROM THE DEAD

THE DEAD AREN'T EVEN JUDGED TILL THE END OF THE LORDS DAY.

THOSE WHO NEVER DIE FOLLOW HIM, GO AND STAND AT THE SEAT OF CHRIST. HE BRINGS THEM TO GOD. HE MANIFESTS TO THEM, HE COMES TO THEM, THAT IS THE 2ND ADVENT FOR THEM, IT IS INVISIBLE

IT ISN'T PRE TRIB RAPTURE BECAUSE THEY DIE AND ARE TAKEN TO HEAVEN AND IT ISN'T BECAUSE OF SOME '?theory?' IT IS EVERY MAN IN HIS OWN ORDER

 

16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

THAT IS WHAT MY BIBLE SAYS.  DOES YOUR BIBLE SAY 'THE NEVER DIE' RISE FIRST?  

or THE DEAD?   Come on LET'S DO THIS THE BEAREAN WAY, SHALL WE?  WHAT IS WRITTEN VS WHAT WE WISH WERE




52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


AT LEAST THAT IS AS MY BIBLE READS 

THE DEAD WILL BE RAISED INCORRUPTIBLE

PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE THOSE WHO FOLLOW HIM 

1 LEAVE HIM TO COME BACK TO "RISE AGAIN"
2 JOIN UP WITH ANYTHING from THE CORRUPTION


REALLY, A SOUL WHO HAS BEEN RAISED UP GOING TO HELL TO BE RAISED UP AGAIN?   or 

ANYTHING THAT COMES FROM CORRUPTION BEING 'GLORIOUS',  EW

 I CAN'T FIND THAT STUFF ANYWHERE, I HAVE ASKED YOU NO LESS THAN 10 TIMES AND SO I KNOW YOU CAN'T EITHER SO THAT JUST MAKES THIS THAT IS BEING PUT FORTH PURE CONJECTION AND ASSUMPTION AND FLAT OUT WRONG.


THOSE WHO HAVE RECEIVED THE GIFT OF SALVATION NEVER DIE.  NEVER DIE MEANS NEVER DEAD.  NEVER DEAD MEANS NOT RESURRECTED WHEN THE DEAD ARE.  


GIVE ME SCRIPTURE OR QUIT TELLING ME I AM WRONG BECAUSE WHEN WHAT I BELIEVE IS WHAT IS WRITTEN

IF BELIEVED WHAT WAS WRITTEN AS OPPOSED TO SOME TRADITION OF MAN IT WOULD BE KNOWN, BELIEVED AND UNDERSTOOD AS

1 And whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die. Believest thou this? 
John 11:26

WHY WOULD ANYONE NOT BELIEVE THAT?  Why bring a soul to nought, then have it 'born again of the corruption of the earth'?  IT MAKES NO SENSE.

2 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow Me now; but thou shalt follow Me afterwards.
John 13:36

WERE DID JESUS SAY HE WAS GOING?  TO THE FATHER  

What does that LOOK LIKE?
And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 1 Cor 15

4  So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

WHAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO BE RAISED IN INCORRUPTION?  
BY NOT GOING TO HELL.  NOT WAITING TO BE RAISED UP.  NOT GOING TO HANG OUT WITH THE DEAD UNTIL CHRIST RETURNS

BECAUSE IT KNOWS THE WAY AND FOLLOWS HIM TO THE FATHER AND RETURNS IN THE ARMY TO SIT UPON THE THRONES AND JUDGE.  

43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A BODY STAYS IN HELL?  ACTS 2

26Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

27Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FOLLOWING HIM AND BEING AND GOING TO HELL?   

Those who FOLLOW HIM are raised in glory they don't SUFFER CORRUPTION by going to hell LIKE THE DEAD DO.


Those who GO TO HELL are raised out from the dead and so HAVE SUFFERED CORRUPTION and we are told 1 Cor 15

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

 

WHAT DOES BEING RAISED IN GLORY AND RAISED IN A BODY LOOK LIKE?
30For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

31But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,

32I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

The resurrection of the dead (saved) is NOT THE SAME AS THE RESURRECTION OUT FROM THE DEAD NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU WISH TO PROVE THERE IS ONE 'FIRST' RESURRECTION of the just at the beginning and one at the end for the unjust.  

IF YOU COULD THEN YOU WOULD HAVE MORE, MUCH MORE THAN THIS.  BUT YOU HAVE ONE VERSE

AND THAT ONE VERSE MAKES VOID ALL OF THESE VERSES.  

 

44Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on Me, believeth not on Me, but on Him that sent Me.

45And he that seeth Me seeth Him that sent Me.

46I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on Me should not abide in darkness.

47And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

49For I have not spoken of Myself; but the Father which sent Me, He gave Me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

50And I know that His commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak.



SO PLEASE, SHOW ME HOW THAT ONE VERSE VOIDS OUT ALL OF THESE (NOT that it says what you say it says in the first place but that is besides the point.  

So go ahead, just SAY IT AGAIN  YOU BELIEVE that one verse that says a resurrection OF BOTH the means........... if is of the never die

even though those who are raised from the corruption don't get judged till the last day

they don't find their names in the book of life till the last day

so they can't rule and reign or sit upon thrones not having been raised in glory since being raised from the corruption MEANS REMAINING MORTAL


but OK you believe that verse says .....  AGAIN, just SEEMS it might be a GREAT PLACE TO DO THAT BEAREAN THING.... SEE HOW WHAT IS WRITTEN is not what is believed.  

Who knows maybe this time you will address these verses with some Scripture that is actually TRUTH.  
 

Edited January 4, 2023 by DeighAnn
was going to go back and fix all the CAPTIOLS AND THE colors but decided to leave it as it was

[DeighAnn]

14 hours ago, Uriah said:

WHEN.......WHO

1Th 4:15-For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep

WHEN......WHO 

1Thes 4:15- For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1Th 4:16-For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1 Thes 5:1- But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

WHEN

1Thes 5:2- For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

WHEN

2Peter 3:10- But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

WHEN

Rev 16:15- Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

WHEN

Rev 16:16- And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon

The evidence plainly shows the resurrection as Jesus is "in the air" at the time of the Battle of Armageddon. 

Rev 19:1 shows a large group of people (resurrected/raptured) also in the sky having given white linen to wear as Jesus leads His army.

 

 

 

Should you be prepared for your flesh to die right now?  

If your flesh died right now, would you have been watching for Him?  I know I do.  I know that at any second this body could give out yet I DON'T EXPECT it right this second but

I guess my question is what is the difference between being prepared 'for the death of the flesh' and 'the return of Christ while still alive'?

Wouldn't both of those be the exact same as in the way 'HE COMES'?  (without getting into any 'exceptions' to be noted)


__________________________________

John 13

Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in Him.

(Just a side note on when GLORY comes just like with what death Peter would glorify God).  Was it peter?

32If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify Him in Himself, and shall straightway glorify Him.

33Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.

34A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

35By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

36Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow Me now; but thou shalt follow Me afterwards.

37Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for thy sake.

38Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.

1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in Me.

2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

THIS ISN'T about angles being sent out TO GATHER everyone unto Him.  This is HIM 'coming to Him' PERSONALLY.  

This isn't 'to the air' where Christ will be when He returns.  This is to be where HE IS, UNTIL HE RETURNS>  

This isn't about THE PERIOD BEFORE THE PRE TRIB.  THIS ISN'T ABOUT THE CHURCH.  THIS IS ABOUT EVERY MAN IN HIS OWN ORDER FOLLOWING HIM TO GO BE WHERE HE IS AND HE IS AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD.  AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHERE PETER WENT WHEN HIS FLESH DIED AND HE CONTINUED ON LIVING AND WENT TO BE WITH THE GOD OF THE LIVING.  



AND THIS IS THE GIFT OF SALVATION THAT 'THE DEAD' DON'T RECEIVE

4And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

Christ is the only way to see GOD IN HEAVEN.  

The 'DEAD' don't know 'the way'. 

The dead don't know THE LIFE and THE RESURRECTION


Not knowing they die and go to hell.  They die in sin.  They go to be in the corruption of the earth.  

Why do the 'dead' resurrect?  Because the WORD, 'the good news' HAD NOT GONE OUT TO ALL THE WORLD and so many Good and Righteous souls who had LOTS OF RAGS but they were 'dirty' rags because they were not of GODS RIGHTEOUSNESS but of their own.  NOW they are raised out from the dead to LEARN GODS WAY and they get to LEARN when that is all that is taught.  At the end, Satan will be loosed and DECEPTION will once again go out and THEY HAVING RECEIVED the truth will GET TO CHOOSE  Life or Death just as the world is doing right now.  

 

7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

So these DEAD that resurrect when Christ returns DON'T resurrect IMMORTAL but  mortal, as they will still face the 2nd death at the very end, the GWTJ, UNLESS by their works they get their name in the book of life, and IF THEY DO, then rather than the 2nd death, they are of the 2nd resurrection to IMMORTALITY.  

I think first resurrection just means resurrection to immortality the first go round,

and 2nd resurrection is immortality at the GWTJ which is for the DEAD that rose up when Christ returned. 

Those who returned with Him have it, having been raised up to Heaven, and those who are alive and remaining receive it when He returns, kinda raised up to Heaven (as Heaven is coming to earth as in unseen becoming seen)

but the dead who resurrect get a 2nd chance and so are of the 2nd?? either death or resurrection. 

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

Really?  Have you looked at it in the Berean way?  BECAUSE My BIBLE reads 

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 1 Thess 4

THOSE WHO BELONG TO HIM ARE COMING BACK WITH HIM.

THOSE on the PLANET EARTH when He returns HAVE EITHER
1. taken the mark of the beast
2. or not aka ALIVE and remain, overcome, endured to the end, remained faithful, are not with child giving suck, took enough oil to stay in the light without buying and selling, were wise virgins, didn't suffer anyone to break into the house, were found in the field working etc.

[double click fails.  The Berean way is my ONLY WAY to study the Bible.

1 Thess 4 describes the Second Advent, as does 1 Cor 15:23.  1 Thess 4 includes ALL the dead saints, who come back with the King, and ALL the living saints.]

15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

Christ is gathering HIS BODY up in heaven EVERY MAN IN HIS OWN ORDER, and the first MASS resurrection came when the graves were opened and when He ascended He led those who had been bound with Him.

[Since Jesus is the FIRST to receive a resurrected (glorified) body per Acts 26:23 - that the Messiah would suffer and, as the first to rise from the dead, would bring the message of light to his own people and to the Gentiles.” this means receiving a glorified body.  So all the people Jesus and His disciples raised from the dead were NOT the first to receive glorified bodies.  They ALL died again, as did Lazarus.  In fact, the Jews plotted to kill Lazarus, it is clear he was still mortal.

I'm not going to respond to the rest of your post because the double click isn't working and the post is very long.]

 

So, if you have specific points for me to respond to, please no more than a few points per post.  For some frustratingly unknown reason, I have more problems with the double click function in your posts than others.

[DeighAnn]

7 hours ago, Diaste said:

Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, 36I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you looked after Me, I was in prison and you visited Me.’

37Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink? 38When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39When did we see You sick or in prison and visit You?’

40And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’

31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand,

Those who have endured to the end, who overcome, who didn't take the mark of the beast THE ALIVE AND REMAINING

but the goats on the left.

Those who were unfaithful, who were deceived, who went after the one sent to overcome.  They took the mark of the beast, they choose poorly. From Kings on down to bond servants the birds will feed upon their flesh.  

EVERYONE is changed 

'THE spiritually DEAD' (and about to go to hell) aka those who have been deceived and have taken the mark of the beast and went to buy and sell

they ONLY claimed to have faith but as it is written "My people PERISH FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE"

 HAVE A FIRST DEATH, cause next comes the 2nd DEATH (and they aren't going to get out of that)  

So the goats whos 'carcases' are being eaten by the birds or in the wine press, or killed by the sword ect

go to HELL

to EITHER rise up with the DEAD 'both just and unjust'

OR

remain in hell death and the sea to be given up AT THE END, at the GWTJ depending on just what kind of goat they were judged to be.  


If they are a part of the just and unjust resurrection OF THE DEAD, they will have 1000 years before they are judged to IMMORTALITY or DEATH. 


34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Then the alive and remaining are changed.  I would imagine all this takes but a short time because when Christ arrives you are either a BRIGHT SHINY LIGHT or giving off no light at all, but that is just a guess at this point. 

[DeighAnn]

5 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

So, if you have specific points for me to respond to, please no more than a few points per post.  For some frustratingly unknown reason, I have more problems with the double click function in your posts than others.

Truly, they all go together and are dependent upon one another so as not to go off the narrow path.  If you would like to address them one at a time, feel free.  

Just go Berean, both with what I have put forth

and by all means go Berean with what you show me.  I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT to see it that way.  

[DeighAnn]

8 hours ago, Diaste said:

Here's what you seem to miss.  If there were a "silent" coming before the Trib, then the numbering of the Second Advent would be WRONG.

He comes to ALL who FOLLOW Him.  That doesn't negate His coming with all the angels to rule and reign at the 2nd advent.  

PLEASE QUIT worrying about 'the pre trib rapture doctrine theory' when speaking with those who don't believe in it.  

 

 

8 hours ago, Diaste said:

 The point is that there are only 2 advents prophesied in the OT.

 HIS COMING TO LIVE ON EARTH - day of salvation and day of vengeance  

THAT doesn't STOP the angels from going up and down the ladder.  That doesn't stop us from FOLLOWING HIM.  nor from Him manifesting Himself to us and bringing us to the Father in an UNSEEN realm.  

 

 

8 hours ago, Diaste said:

And there are no verses that refer to the resurrection of believers in the plural.  ALL references are in the singular.  So trying to dice the singular resurrection into "stages" etc, isn't supported in Scripture.

but EVERY MAN in his own order does.  

THE SINGULAR resurrection is OF THE DEAD, THE LIVING have nothing to do with it.  

so TRYING to put all believers who follow Him

(WHO are returning with Him because they went to be where He was because they NEVER DIE)


 BACK INTO THE CORRUPTION OF THE EARTH to be RAISED AGAIN but this time with the DEAD

seriously lacks SCRIPTURE.  

AS THERE IS NOT ONE WORD written that SPEAKS TO SUCH AN EVENT.  It is nothing but conjecture and assumptions

if it wasn't then

SOMEONE WOULD HAVE PUT FORTH SOMETHING AT SOMETIME THAT ADDRESSED IT USING GODS WORDS RATHER THAN THEIR OWN.   

 

[FreeGrace]

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Truly, they all go together and are dependent upon one another so as not to go off the narrow path.  If you would like to address them one at a time, feel free.

[double click fails again.  I'm not going to wade through that long post to find points.  If you want responses, just give only several points in a post,]

Just go Berean, both with what I have put forth
and by all means go Berean with what you show me.  I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT to see it that way.  

I've already explained that the Berean method is the ONLY method I use in explaining Scripture and checking out what others claim.