Who is Resurrected, and When?

[FreeGrace]

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

He comes to ALL who FOLLOW Him.

[OK, let's go with the Berean method.  What verses SAY what you  SAY here?  What you say is an opinion, but not Scripture.  1 Cor 15:23 is plain and clear;  His "coming" is a direct reference to the OT prophecy of His coming as King.  Which will be at the end of the Tribulation, otherwise known as the Second Advent.]

  That doesn't negate His coming with all the angels to rule and reign at the 2nd advent.  

[Again, where does the Bible SAY what you SAY here?  Rev 19 is clear about who will come with Him;  all the saved saints that are already in heaven.  Further, 1 Thess 4 is just as clear about those who come with Him.]

PLEASE QUIT worrying about 'the pre trib rapture doctrine theory' when speaking with those who don't believe in it.  
[Why worry about any doctrine theory?  I show what Scripture actually SAYS that refutes all theories.]

but EVERY MAN in his own order does.  
[Does what?]
THE SINGULAR resurrection is OF THE DEAD, THE LIVING have nothing to do with it.

[Please read 1 Thess 4:13-17 and 1 Cor 15:23.  The LIVING are just as involved in the singular resurrection as the dead.  

Being a Berean Bible student, what verses separate the resurrection of the dead from the resurrection of the living?  Do you have any?] 

so TRYING to put all believers who follow Him
(WHO are returning with Him because they went to be where He was because they NEVER DIE)

 BACK INTO THE CORRUPTION OF THE EARTH to be RAISED AGAIN but this time with the DEAD seriously lacks SCRIPTURE.  
AS THERE IS NOT ONE WORD written that SPEAKS TO SUCH AN EVENT.  It is nothing but conjecture and assumptions

[Apparently you are unable to understand 1 Thess 4:13-17 then.]
 

 

[DeighAnn]

12 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

No offense, but that is simply preposterous.  The whole topic in 1 Cor 15 is the resurrection of the SAVED.  ALL of the saved.

So v23 tells us WHEN that singular resurrection will occur;  when He comes.

So, "those who belong to Him" has nothing to do with the narrow view of the Tribulation itself.  Of course all martyrs will be included, but Paul wasn't discussing "just the Tribulation", as you seem to think

He was referring to ALL saved people.

Yes, every man in his own order. 

Resurrections/being raised up to heaven began with Enoch.  The resurrection of those out from the grave happened when Christ the first TO RESURRECT OUT FROM HELL took those who had been in bondage to death in hell (because they died UNDER THE LAW WITH A SIN), to heaven. 

THAT LEFT NO BELIEVERS IN HELL only the wicked the UNSAVED

Ever SINCE THEN it has been EVERY MAN in his own order

AND when Christ RETURNS there will be the ALIVE AND REMAINING.  

sO there have been MILLIONS WHO HAVE BEEN RAISED UP TO HEAVEN.  MillionS of resurrections. Many many more to follow all the way up until the 2 witnesses.  For the saved that is

NOW FOR THE DEAD WHO DIE AND GO TO HELL.

THERE will be 2 resurrections OF THE DEAD out from the dead.
One when Christ comes and one after the GWTJ

I am NOT THE ONE who has the NEVER DIE being resurrected out from the dead in order to raise up in a glorified body.   

I believe what is written EXACTLY AS IT IS WRITTEN

Sown a natural body RAISED a spiritual body.  


Again those who BELONG TO HIM FOLLOW HIM and HAVE BEEN FOR THE PAST 2 THOUSAND YEARS and will be returning with Him.

SO WHEN HE RETURNS THOSE WHO BELONG TO HIM ARE EITHER WITH HIM

OR ARE THE ALIVE AND REMAINING WHO HAVE ENDURED TO THE END 

besides that are those who have taken the mark of the beast and 

the WICKED DEAD who are resurrected to see IF they might get to get their names written in the book of life.  They have a thousand years to do so and many many priests

[DeighAnn]

30 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

I've already explained that the Berean method is the ONLY method I use in explaining Scripture and checking out what others claim.  

Then USE IT WHEN EXPLAINING and checking out this.   IF what I am putting forth ISN'T WHAT is written, then that should be easy to show.  THAT is what I am asking you to do since YOU BELIEVE what I put forth is 'simply preposterous'.

AGAIN, you can bring forth that ONE VERSE but if you can't connect it with ANYTHING WRITTEN, if you can't build upon it with any other TRUTH, but just what you believe, 

then it isn't really Berean at all is it? 

[DeighAnn]

45 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

[OK, let's go with the Berean method.  What verses SAY what you  SAY here?  What you say is an opinion, but not Scripture.  1 Cor 15:23 is plain and clear;  His "coming" is a direct reference to the OT prophecy of His coming as King.  Which will be at the end of the Tribulation, otherwise known as the Second Advent.]

NO, the 'coming' I am showing is HIS personal manifestation to us and bringing us to the FATHER. to be where He is.  IT WAS SAID TO PETER 2000 years ago.  

Now that either WAS TRUE or it was a lie. 

Peter is either IN HELL waiting or

he WAS RAISED UP IN A SPIRITUAL BODY, FOLLOWED HIM, where Christ met him and Christ brought him to the Father so he could be where He was.  

Being raised in a spiritual body and being raised in glory HE HAS NO NEED TO RESURRECT OUT FROM THE DEAD

AND THE REASON THERE IS NOTHING WRITTEN STATING SUCH A THING WOULD EVER TAKE PLACE.  




THE COMING you keep saying is the ONLY ONE LEFT (2ND) is the one where HE RETURNS TO THE EARTH AND THE ANGELS GATHER AND HIS KINGDOM ON EARTH BEGINS.  

Obviously NOT THE SAME

 

 

unless the entire GOAL is to support 'only 2 RESURRECTIONS', but it comes at the cost of all TRUTH. 


I do know when the 2nd Advent is but YOU CAN'T disengage from the pre trib rap theory long enough to see what is being put forth here. 

AT HIS COMING at least the 2nd Advent coming (NOT the meeting WITH the person who has died and followed Him, EACH MAN in his own order)

 There will be on earth

1.  THOSE MARKED BY THE BEAST


2.  THOSE WHO ENDURED TO THE END WITHOUT A MARK  


3. THE DEAD IN THE GRAVES, THE UNSAVED, THE WICKED IN HELL. 



ALL THE REST OF THOSE WHO 'BELONG' TO HIM ARE COMING WITH HIM

SO THEY AREN'T IN THE GRAVES THEY ARE IN THE AIR.  

SO OUT THOSE 3 GROUPS WHO BELONGS TO HIM?  
 

Edited January 5, 2023 by DeighAnn

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

[Again, where does the Bible SAY what you SAY here?  Rev 19 is clear about who will come with Him;  all the saved saints that are already in heaven.  Further, 1 Thess 4 is just as clear about those who come with Him.]

CORRECT.  NOW if we could just get you to BELIEVE this TRUTH

But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

THE RESURRECTION OF EVERY MAN IN HIS OWN ORDER
THE RESURRECTION OF EVERY MAN WHO NEVER DIES
THE RESURRECTION OF THOSE WHO'S CITIZENSHIP IS ALREADY IN HEAVEN
THE RESURRECTION OR ALL WHO RECEIVED THE GIFT OF SALVATION
THE RESURRECTION OF THE REDEEMED
THE RESURRECTION OF THOSE WHO DON'T COME INTO CONDEMNATION
THE RESURRECTION OF THOSE WHO ARE MADE NEW CREATURES
THE RESURRECTION OF THOSE WHO JESUS PRAYED WOULD BE WITH HIM WHERE HE IS
THE RESURRECTION OF THOSE SOULS UNDER THE ALTAR
THE RESURRECTION OF THE ANGEL WHOS FEET JOHN FELL DOWN TO WORSHIP
THE RESURRECTION OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN SAVED
THE RESURRECTION OF THOSE WHO EARTHEN VESSEL HAS BROKEN
TO NAME A FEW

THE RESURRECTION OF ALL THOSE WHO NEVER DESCEND, NEVER GO TO HELL, WHO NEVER FIND THEMSELVES IN BONDAGE TO DEATH, WHO ARE NEVER CAPTIVES OF HELL, 


GOES LIKE THIS

42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

THIS FLESH BODY DIES AND THE SPIRITUAL BODY IS RAISED IN GLORY NEVER TO EVER BE FOUND AMONGST THE DEAD IN THE GRAVES TO BE RESURRECTED.  


GET THAT TRUTH



AND A WORLD OF TRUTH WILL BE OPENED UP, AND YOU WILL BE ABLE TO QUIT FIGHTING TO TRY TO MAKE THAT WHICH CAN'T BE WORKED, WORK. 








 

Edited January 5, 2023 by DeighAnn

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

but EVERY MAN in his own order does.  
[Does what?]
THE SINGULAR resurrection is OF THE DEAD, THE LIVING have nothing to do with it.

RESURRECTS WITHOUT GOING TO HELL.  WITHOUT BECOMING A PART OF THE DEAD.  

EVERY MAN MAN WHO RECEIVES THE GIFT OF SALVATION GOES TO HEAVEN IN A BODY AND RETURNS ALREADY IN A BODY.  Doesn't matter if it was 100 or 1000 or 1500 years ago, born die return to GOD.  ALL DONE IN A BODY.  NEVER BODYLESS.  RAISED IN GLORY



 

NO GOING TO BE RESURRECTED FROM THE DEAD NOR THE DEAD IN CHRIST AT THE 2ND ADVENT 

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

Being a Berean Bible student, what verses separate the resurrection of the dead from the resurrection of the living?  Do you have any?] 

HOPEFULLY I have answered this already.  If I haven't then

ALL OF THEM.  Those SAVED go in one direction, Those unsaved go in the other. 

NEVER will a soul who is in HELL RIGHT NOW EVER see GOD on HIS THRONE in heaven in this age.  

Never will a soul in hell ever be MET by CHRIST in heaven and be brought to God.  You know why not?  THEY DON'T KNOW THE WAY.  If you don't know the way to the Living GOD then you are going to DEATH.  

The unsaved are being feasted upon by death.  The unsaved are in torment.  The unsaved can't WAIT until Christ returns to be SET FREE FROM DEATH.   

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

[Apparently you are unable to understand 1 Thess 4:13-17 then.]

That's the thing isn't it.  

DO YOU REALIZE THAT if it was written like this

16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:

and the NOT dead in Christ shall rise first:  I would agree
or
and the LIVING in Christ shall rise first:  I would agree
or
and the NEVER DIE in Christ shall rise first: I would agree


only problem NONE OF THOSE THINGS ARE WRITTEN.  

THE LAST DAY CAME AND WENT AND THE GRAVES WERE OPENED AND HE LED THE CAPTIVITY WHEN HE ASCENDED

EVER SINCE THEN IT HAS BEEN EVERY MAN IN HIS OWN ORDER

AND WHEN HE RETURNS AT THE 2ND ADVENT THOSE WHO ENDURED TO THE END
WILL BE THE ONLY SOULS ON OR IN THE EARTH THAT 'BELONG' TO HIM



BECAUSE HE PRAYED 


24Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given Me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

 

[Diaste]

13 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

He comes to ALL who FOLLOW Him.  That doesn't negate His coming with all the angels to rule and reign at the 2nd advent.  

PLEASE QUIT worrying about 'the pre trib rapture doctrine theory' when speaking with those who don't believe in it.  

 

 

 HIS COMING TO LIVE ON EARTH - day of salvation and day of vengeance  

THAT doesn't STOP the angels from going up and down the ladder.  That doesn't stop us from FOLLOWING HIM.  nor from Him manifesting Himself to us and bringing us to the Father in an UNSEEN realm.  

 

 

but EVERY MAN in his own order does.  

THE SINGULAR resurrection is OF THE DEAD, THE LIVING have nothing to do with it.  

so TRYING to put all believers who follow Him

(WHO are returning with Him because they went to be where He was because they NEVER DIE)


 BACK INTO THE CORRUPTION OF THE EARTH to be RAISED AGAIN but this time with the DEAD

seriously lacks SCRIPTURE.  

AS THERE IS NOT ONE WORD written that SPEAKS TO SUCH AN EVENT.  It is nothing but conjecture and assumptions

if it wasn't then

SOMEONE WOULD HAVE PUT FORTH SOMETHING AT SOMETIME THAT ADDRESSED IT USING GODS WORDS RATHER THAN THEIR OWN.   

 

I think you misquoted.

 

 

[FreeGrace]

13 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Yes, every man in his own order.

[Do you know what that refers to?  Please explain.] 

Resurrections/being raised up to heaven began with Enoch.  The resurrection of those out from the grave happened when Christ the first TO RESURRECT OUT FROM HELL took those who had been in bondage to death in hell (because they died UNDER THE LAW WITH A SIN), to heaven.

[Aren't you aware of Acts 26:23?   "that the Messiah would suffer and, as the first to rise from the dead, would bring the message of light to his own people and to the Gentiles.”  If you want to call all raisings from the dead BEFORE the resurrection of Christ a resurrection, and apply that idea to "every man in his own order", then please explain how Paul could say that Jesus was the FIRST FIRST FIRST to rise from the dead.  If you don't understand any of this, your whole view of "resurrection" will be quite skewed.]

THAT LEFT NO BELIEVERS IN HELL only the wicked the UNSAVED

[What are you talking about here?  What "left no believers in Hades" was Jesus coming to Hades, "preaching to the spirits" and then leading all believers to heaven with Him."]
Ever SINCE THEN it has been EVERY MAN in his own order

[Not "ever since then".  1 Cor 15:23 is about the Savior being the FIRST FIRST FIRST human to receive a glorified body.  That means NO person who had been risen from the dead BEFORE that received glorified bodies.  If you don't believe that or understand that, you cannot possibly be oriented to anything about resurrection.]

AND when Christ RETURNS there will be the ALIVE AND REMAINING.  

sO there have been MILLIONS WHO HAVE BEEN RAISED UP TO HEAVEN.  MillionS of resurrections. Many many more to follow all the way up until the 2 witnesses.

[And NONE of the believers who went to heaven were resurrected, meaning received glorified bodies.  None.]

NOW FOR THE DEAD WHO DIE AND GO TO HELL.

THERE will be 2 resurrections OF THE DEAD out from the dead.

[No, you are just so very confused.  There is ONE resurrection of the saved, which will include ALL the dead saved and ALL the living saved.  1 Thess 4 says so plainly.  As does 2 Thess 2:1.  And Rev 20:4-6 PROVES it.]