Who is Resurrected, and When?

[truth7t7]

4 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

So what is GODS rush?   HE has all of eternity yet with all these things that take place before the NHNE




LISTING JUST A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT take place on the 'last day' and the NHNE we have, and in no particular order:

those destroying the earth being destroyed
the 7 thousand falling down dead
angels gathering the elect from everywhere
some of the dead resurrected from the corruption of the earth, grave, hell
the alive and remaining changed,
the birds feasting on the flesh of men from kings on down to slaves,
Wrath being poured out,
Jesus feet hitting the mount of olives,
the valley being cleaved,
the city spilt in three,
the sheep and goats separated,
the battle of Gog and Magog,
fire coming down from heaven AGAIN????,
the GWT coming down,
the dead all being judged,
the books being opened,
the dead either coming to life eternal or being cast into the lake of fire,
another resurrection of the rest of the dead from death hell and the sea  
the lake of fire
the rewards to the saints
the nations coming to worship
rain not falling on those who don't
Christ sitting upon the throne of David


WHY ON EARTH is HE GOING TO PUT THAT IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD?  How are WE, going to keep up?  If WE aren't going to be WITNESSING these things, then why tell us they are going to take place?  What is the RUSH?  Why the 'deceiving' 1000 years listed everywhere?  

What you have done for me, is made my FOUNDATION on this now well studied subject, as SOLID as can be. I figure if you had anything else to back it other than {THE END}, you would have brought it all forth. So thank you.

SEEM to be a regular thing with people to take a couple words and rather than using precept on precept verse by verse to find Gods Truth just ASSIGNING an entire doctrine to them EVEN WHEN it flies in the face of precept on precept.... proving the 'Israel/church' of FAITH today isn't all that different from the Israel under the law from before the New Covenant. 

It isn't going to be a day 'as a day', it is going to be a day 'as a thousand years'. Just like it is written. 


 

1Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty is a fading flower, which are on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine!

2Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand.

3The crown of pride, the drunkards of Ephraim, shall be trodden under feet:

4And the glorious beauty, which is on the head of the fat valley, shall be a fading flower, and as the hasty fruit before the summer; which when he that looketh upon it seeth, while it is yet in his hand he eateth it up.

5In that day shall the LORD of hosts be for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty, unto the residue of his people,

6And for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle to the gate.

7But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.

8For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.

9Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

10For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

11For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

12To whom He said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

13But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

14Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.

15Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

16Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

17Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

18And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

19From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.

20For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.

21For the LORD shall rise up as in mount Perazim, He shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.

22Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth.

23Give ye ear, and hear my voice; hearken, and hear my speech.

24Doth the plowman plow all day to sow? doth he open and break the clods of his ground?

25When he hath made plain the face thereof, doth he not cast abroad the fitches, and scatter the cummin, and cast in the principal wheat and the appointed barley and the rie in their place?

26For his God doth instruct him to discretion, and doth teach him.

27For the fitches are not threshed with a threshing instrument, neither is a cart wheel turned about upon the cummin; but the fitches are beaten out with a staff, and the cummin with a rod.

28Bread corn is bruised; because he will not ever be threshing it, nor break it with the wheel of his cart, nor bruise it with his horsemen.

29This also cometh forth from the LORD of hosts, which is wonderful in counsel, and excellent in working.

 

1 Corinthians 15:23-26 & 51-54KJV

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

 

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

[DeighAnn]

59 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Yes I Disagree, The Day Of The Lord Is The Last Day, When Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement (The End)

Jesus Is The Lord

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV

10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Again, we have all read that as many times as you have posted it but it is 

The LACK OF understanding that is leading to an erroneous CONCLUSION, but hey, let me do the work for you.


starting with this verse in Peter that is causing confusion
 

Will come however [the] day of [the] Lord like a thief in which the heavens with a roar will pass away elements then burning with heat will be dissolved and [the] earth and the in it works not will be found

The heavens will with a roar will "pass away"??? OK, whatever as it is strange to me to translate it that way as the day in which Christ comes, is the day the heavens ARRIVE on earth, but I didn't do the 'translating' so all I can say is, again,whatever 

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
to pass by, pass away; to arrive
From para and erchomai; to come near or aside, i.e. To approach (arrive), go by (or away), (figuratively) perish or neglect, (causative) avert -- come (forth), go, pass (away, by, over), past, transgress.



BUT THAT ISN'T THE POINT, THIS IS
 4747. stoicheion 

Strong's Concordance

stoicheion: one of a row, hence a letter (of the alphabet), by ext. the elements (of knowledge)

Original Word: στοιχεῖον, ου, τό

Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter

Transliteration: stoicheion

Phonetic Spelling: (stoy-khi'-on)

Definition: one of a row, a letter (of the alphabet), the elements (of knowledge)

Usage: (a) plur: the heavenly bodies, (b) a rudiment, an element, a rudimentary principle, an elementary rule.

HELPS Word-studies

4747 stoixeíon– properly, fundamentals, like with the basic components of a philosophy, structure, etc.; (figuratively) "first principles," like the basic fundamentals of Christianity.

 

[4747 (stoixeíon) refers to "the rudiments with which mankind . . . were indoctrinated (before the time of Christ), i.e. the elements of religious training or the ceremonial precepts common alike to the worship of Jews and of Gentiles" (J. Thayer).

 

The RSV however renders stoixeia as "elemental spirits," i.e. spiritual powers or "cosmic spirits" (DNTT, 2, 828). This views 4747 /stoixeíon ("elements") as ancient astral beings associated with the very beginning (make-up) of the earth.]


Gal 4
3Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:


9But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?


Colo 2
8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.


20Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,



Heb 5:12

9And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

10Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

11Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

12For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

13For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

14But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

ELEMENTS are the basic building blocks on which THE KNOWLEDGE and works OF MEN come from that will burn up


SO, the works OF MEN and the KNOWLEDGE of men will be DISSOLVED.  


THY KINGDOM COME...THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN.  

THE DAY OF VENGEANCE is that day. 

And the 'earth' will pass away but NOT before all the rest of the things that must come to pass come to pass.

Edited January 24, 2023 by DeighAnn

[DeighAnn]

37 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

1 Corinthians 15:23-26 & 51-54KJV

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

 

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Again, you prove my point.  The misunderstanding of 'Then cometh the end'.  It doesn't say HOW LONG THE END WILL TAKE HERE

but we know the DAY of Vengeance is the end and we know the DAY is a thousand years.  

AND YES, Death will be swallowed up in victory.  LOF IS GODS judgment on both the body and the soul, the ONLY death that will be left.  


AND WHAT does that END consist of?  WHAT is the END of the END?

THEN THE END WHEN HE SHALL HAND OVER THE KINGDOM TO THE GOD AND FATHER WHEN HE SHALL HAVE ANNULLED ALL DOMINION AND ALL AUTHORITY AND POWER

That doesn't happen because HE FIGHTS at Jerusalem.  Then end taking place AT His return doesn't allow for any of the rest of the verse to take place, does it?

When would Christ be sitting on the Throne of David, Never? 

How would the DEAD get their names written in the book of life BY THEIR WORKS, if they are raised dead and ARE GIVEN NO TIME TO DO ANY WORKS? 

EXACTLY how many different problems that CAN NOT be fixed with 'THE END' coming at His return do you need before you agree it is IMPOSSIBLE for that to be truth?  

[truth7t7]

8 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Again, you prove my point.  The misunderstanding of 'Then cometh the end'.  It doesn't say HOW LONG THE END WILL TAKE HERE  

Your claim is "False"

When Jesus Christ returns the "Resurrection" takes place, at this event "Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory" as the "Last Enemy Death" is destroyed, this event takes place in the twinkling of an eye (The End)

Jesus Is The Lord

Once Again!

1 Corinthians 15:23-26 & 51-54KJV

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

 

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Edited January 24, 2023 by truth7t7

[DeighAnn]

6 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Your claim is "False"

When Jesus Christ returns the "Resurrection" takes place, at this event "Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory" as the "Last Enemy Death" is destroyed, this event takes place in the twinkling of an eye (The End)

Jesus Is The Lord

Once Again!

1 Corinthians 15:23-26 & 51-54KJV

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

 

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Again, PUTTING forth the SAME Scripture with the same lack of understanding, being proven over and over again by ALL THE OTHER THINGS WRITTEN, isn't working out that well, is it?   Not addressing ANY of the points being made or answering any of the questions only goes to show it's lack of foundation. 

A day is as a thousand years.  You say that's not truth.  I disagree.  Putting forth the same Scripture doesn't change that fact, does it?  So why do it?  Is there some other reason?  If you need to get the last word in, let me know, I'll let your final post stand.  The truth doesn't have to have the final word to be truth.  

On that note, I won't be responding to any more posts with Scripture you have already put forth, for a while anyhow.  I haven't been led anywhere new today, always a good sign I have come to an understanding with the words of God.  

[truth7t7]

25 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Again, PUTTING forth the SAME Scripture with the same lack of understanding, being proven over and over again by ALL THE OTHER THINGS WRITTEN, isn't working out that well, is it?   Not addressing ANY of the points being made or answering any of the questions only goes to show it's lack of foundation. 

A day is as a thousand years.  You say that's not truth.  I disagree.  Putting forth the same Scripture doesn't change that fact, does it?  So why do it?  Is there some other reason?  If you need to get the last word in, let me know, I'll let your final post stand.  The truth doesn't have to have the final word to be truth.  

On that note, I won't be responding to any more posts with Scripture you have already put forth, for a while anyhow.  I haven't been led anywhere new today, always a good sign I have come to an understanding with the words of God.  

1 Samuel 15:23.a.KJV

23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. 

Edited January 24, 2023 by truth7t7

[DeighAnn]

Back to who is resurrected when... THE RESURRECTION OF THEM THAT SLEPT WHEN JESUS ROSE

 

We are told they will be ransomed from the power of the grave
14I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.
Hosea 13:14



That they would be redeemed so that we receive adoption as sons

1Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;

2But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.

3Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

4But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal 4




That it would take place when Jesus was there the FIRST TIME

18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luke 4 




THEM THAT SLEPT AROSE IN BODIES

52and the tombs were opened and many bodies of the having fallen asleep saints arose

53and having gone forth out of the tombs after the resurrection of Him, they entered into the holy city and appeared to many
Matt 27

 

HE SET judgment in the earth and BROUGHT about a new way
3A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.

4He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

5Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

6I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

7To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

8I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

9Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.

 

 

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

1 Samuel 15:23.a.KJV

23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. 

on this we agree 100%. 
and to THAT, I can only add 

PRAISE YE THE LORD 

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow,

and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart

THANK YOU LORD GOD ALMIGHTY  THAT THE THOUGHTS AND THE INTENTS OF OUR HEARTS IN THIS MATTER, and IN EVERY POST PUT FORTH IN THIS THREAD

BE 100% DISCERNED.  

Praise ye the LORD!!!

[farouk]

21 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

on this we agree 100%. 
and to THAT, I can only add 

PRAISE YE THE LORD 

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow,

and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart

THANK YOU LORD GOD ALMIGHTY  THAT THE THOUGHTS AND THE INTENTS OF OUR HEARTS IN THIS MATTER, and IN EVERY POST PUT FORTH IN THIS THREAD

BE 100% DISCERNED.  

Praise ye the LORD!!!

Great quote there from Hebrews 4, @DeighAnn....

[Keras]

I haven't re-read all of this thread, but to reiterate what the Bible does tell us about a Resurrection when Jesus Returns: 

1/ It is only for the martyrs killed during the 42 month period of world Satanic control, Revelation 13:5-8, Revelation 20:4

2/ Those resurrected are just brought back to life; as Lazarus was. As the Saints raised when Jesus arose, were and they all died again. 

3/ But as all their names will be found in the Book of Life, their second death will not affect their eventual change into immortality, Revelation 20:5-6

4/ They and everyone who has ever lived, will stand before God in Judgment.  Only then is Immortality conferred - to all whose names are found in the BoL.  Revelation 20:11-15

There are some posters here; and who troll the other Forums, as well; who have the obviously wrong idea that we are in the Millennium now.  They forcefully and repeatedly push their beliefs, with the risible notion that Jesus will destroy the world when He Returns. Their beliefs contradict our present situation, let alone much scripture. For the sake of the seekers here and for their own sake; they should be banned. 

Also, be very careful to place 1 Corinthians 15:50-56 where it belongs: AFTER the Millennium and after the GWT Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15

Proved by how it is only then that Death is no more. Revelation 21:4