A Mis - Understood Topic: Timing of the Rapture

[AdHoc]

18 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Jesus returns in fire and final judgment, dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

 

10 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Long post that doesn't show a pre-trib rapture or a Millennial Kingdom on earth, because neither exists in scripture

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Correct. The "long post" was not to establish the Millennium. It was to show that God stated His aim with man and the earth, and will bring it to pass. You have God giving up and His Man not inheriting the earth, but incinerating it. I'm sure you have a high regard for both God and His Son, and don't mean to accuse Him of impotence. But if our Lord Jesus, Seed of the woman, does not subdue God's enemies and then sit on a throne over the earth forever, then God was not up to His Word.

May I suggest that you reconsider. I don't care if you don't believe in a pre-tribulation Rapture. If you have been a diligent and intimate servant of the Lord you will be raptured anyway. But the servant of the Lord who shows a low estimation of God's ability to brig to pass His councils should be lovingly advised not to do so. On that fateful day the Lord has stated that ...

22 ... Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant ...

I'll need every advantage I can get on that day. I don't need to be found having underestimated the ALL-Mighty. Nor do you.

The pre-Tribulation rapture is part of the salvation so dearly bought on Golgotha. Of it scripture says;

... and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him (1 Th 5:8–10)

This is not salvation from the Lake of Fire. The context is "destruction" at the end of the age. It is God's wrath on men and the earth. It is to be "saved" from the wrath of God BECAUSE Jesus' salvation on Golgotha was ALL-ENCOMPASSING. The "salvation" here is defined by; whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. That is, if we have died, we will LIVE (because of resurrection). If we are alive and remain will NOT SEE DEATH. And not only will we LIVE, but WITH HIM. How? By RAPTURE!

In DEATH we are WITH HIM; but not Bodily. His Spirit is with us in Hades. But after the shout and the trumpet the dead are RESURRECTED and receive their BODIES. "and SO" - in this manner of having our BODIES, we will ever be with Him (1st Thess.4:17)

But of course, if you insist on not taking part of the rapture, or you insist on going through the Great Tribulation, then it is easy;
Don't look for His coming
Don't love His coming
Sleep
Don't watch
Be a child of the night
Sin habitually
Stay in Mystery Babylon (Rev.18:4)
Refuse to Overcome the apostasy of the Church
Be Luke-Warm
Love the world
Preserve your soul-life
Don't crucify your flesh
Bury your talent
Don't buy oil
Beat your fellow-servants
Don't prepare a wedding garment

... and so on.

[truth7t7]

10 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Then why does the 2nd Coming follow Armageddon.  Everything hinges on when the 70th Week begins.  Once this happens the clock starts ticking.

 

Rev 20:4c - and they came to life and reigned with Christ 1,000 years.  v6 - but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him 1,000 years.

Rev 20:2 - He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, the devil, or Satan; and bound him for 1,000 years.  v7 - and when the 1,000 years are over, Satan will be released from his prison.

Do my eyes deceive me, or do I see 1,000 years 4 times in a matter of 6 verses.

Zech 14: 4 - On that day his feet will stand on the Mt of Olives, East of Jerusalem, and the Mt of Olives will be split....  v6,7 - On that day there will be no light, no cold or frost, it will be a unique day without daytime or nighttime, a day known to the Lord, When evening comes there will be light.  14:16 - Then, the survivors from all the nations that attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.  It does not say how long, but I am pretty sure this will last for 1,000 years.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived

 

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

 

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?

2.) Physical Earthly Throne?

3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

 

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

 

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

 

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

 

2 Peter 3:8KJV

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

 

Revelation 20:1-6KJV

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

[truth7t7]

10 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Then why does the 2nd Coming follow Armageddon.  Everything hinges on when the 70th Week begins.  Once this happens the clock starts ticking.

 

Rev 20:4c - and they came to life and reigned with Christ 1,000 years.  v6 - but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him 1,000 years.

Rev 20:2 - He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, the devil, or Satan; and bound him for 1,000 years.  v7 - and when the 1,000 years are over, Satan will be released from his prison.

Do my eyes deceive me, or do I see 1,000 years 4 times in a matter of 6 verses.

Zech 14: 4 - On that day his feet will stand on the Mt of Olives, East of Jerusalem, and the Mt of Olives will be split....  v6,7 - On that day there will be no light, no cold or frost, it will be a unique day without daytime or nighttime, a day known to the Lord, When evening comes there will be light.  14:16 - Then, the survivors from all the nations that attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.  It does not say how long, but I am pretty sure this will last for 1,000 years.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

 

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

 

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

 

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

 

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

 

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

 

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

 

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

 

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

[truth7t7]

5 hours ago, AdHoc said:

You are correct. The date and time is not known, but the context does not speak of Christ's coming in glory after the Tribulation as you will have. The context changes in verse 28. A parable is given. According to Matthew 13 Christ is speaking solely to the disciples when He speaks in parables. And the next verse concerns the "house", the "servants", the "Master" and His going and His coming. This can only be the Church. In verse 27 the Lord's coming is bright and impressive, but in verse 35 it like a thief at midnight or man's circadian low of the early morning.

The glorious coming can be calculated because it will occur three and one half years after the Abomination of Desolation. It is THAT SECRET COMING that no man knows, not the coming that pertains to the gathering of Israel from the four winds. And it is that secret coming that pertains to the "HOUSE of SERVANTS".

Rightly divide the Word and all is clear. The Master of HOUSE will come unannounced and take what is valuable. The King of Israel will be announced by a sign (Matt.24:30).

We Disagree, scripture clearly teaches below,the literal, visible, second coming of Jesus Christ takes place "Immediately After The Tribulation" simple, clear, easy to understand

(The Second Coming)

Matthew 24:29-30KJV

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

[truth7t7]

4 hours ago, AdHoc said:

 You have God giving up and His Man not inheriting the earth, but incinerating it. I'm sure you have a high regard for both God and His Son, and don't mean to accuse Him of impotence. But if our Lord Jesus, Seed of the woman, does not subdue God's enemies and then sit on a throne over the earth forever, then God was not up to His Word.

May I suggest that you reconsider. I don't care if you don't believe in a pre-tribulation Rapture. If you have been a diligent and intimate servant of the Lord you will be raptured anyway. But the servant of the Lord who shows a low estimation of God's ability to brig to pass His councils should be lovingly advised not to do so. On that fateful day the Lord has stated that ...

22 ... Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant ...

I'll need every advantage I can get on that day. I don't need to be found having underestimated the ALL-Mighty. Nor do you.

The pre-Tribulation rapture is part of the salvation so dearly bought on Golgotha. Of it scripture says;

... and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him (1 Th 5:8–10)

This is not salvation from the Lake of Fire. The context is "destruction" at the end of the age. It is God's wrath on men and the earth. It is to be "saved" from the wrath of God BECAUSE Jesus' salvation on Golgotha was ALL-ENCOMPASSING. The "salvation" here is defined by; whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. That is, if we have died, we will LIVE (because of resurrection). If we are alive and remain will NOT SEE DEATH. And not only will we LIVE, but WITH HIM. How? By RAPTURE!

In DEATH we are WITH HIM; but not Bodily. His Spirit is with us in Hades. But after the shout and the trumpet the dead are RESURRECTED and receive their BODIES. "and SO" - in this manner of having our BODIES, we will ever be with Him (1st Thess.4:17)

But of course, if you insist on not taking part of the rapture, or you insist on going through the Great Tribulation, then it is easy;
Don't look for His coming
Don't love His coming
Sleep
Don't watch
Be a child of the night
Sin habitually
Stay in Mystery Babylon (Rev.18:4)
Refuse to Overcome the apostasy of the Church
Be Luke-Warm
Love the world
Preserve your soul-life
Don't crucify your flesh
Bury your talent
Don't buy oil
Beat your fellow-servants
Don't prepare a wedding garment

... and so on.

Scripture "Clearly Teaches" This Earth Will Be Incenerated At The Lord's Return, Simple, Clear, Easy To Understand

 

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

 

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

 

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

 

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

Revelation 21:1-5KJV

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

 

Matthew 24:29-30KJV

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

 

Luke 17:29-30KJV

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV

7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

 

Malachi 3:2KJV

2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

 

Psalm 46:6KJV

6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

 

Psalm 50:3KJV

3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

 

Psalm 97:5KJV

5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

 

Isaiah 66:15KJV

15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

 

Zechariah 14:12KJV

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

 

Nahum 1:5-6KJV

5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.

6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

 

Revelation 20:9KJV

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

[Montana Marv]

21 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

Definitely false;   Isa. 19:23 - In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria.  The Assyrians will go to Egypt and Egyptians to Assyria.  The Egyptians and Assyrians will worship together.  In that day Israel will be a third along with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing on the earth.  The Lord Almighty will bless them saying; "Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my inheritance".

Ezk. 43: 4,7 - The glory of the Lord entered the temple through the gate facing East... Son of man, this is the place of my throne and the place for the soles of my feet.  This is where I will live among the Israelites forever. 48:35 - the name of the city from that time on will be; "THE LORD IS THERE".  Don't get this confused with the New Jerusalem.  BTW, the east gate has been closed for centuries by the Arabs, they knew about this prophecy, and believed it.  Why don't you believe it.

47 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

Your response is negated by the above.  "This is the place of my throne and the soles of my feet, this is where I will live among the Israelites forever.

 

55 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

We Disagree, scripture clearly teaches below,the literal, visible, second coming of Jesus Christ takes place "Immediately After The Tribulation" simple, clear, easy to understand

Then why do you say that no man knows the hour or day of the 2nd Coming.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[truth7t7]

38 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

Ezk. 43: 4,7 - The glory of the Lord entered the temple through the gate facing East... Son of man, this is the place of my throne and the place for the soles of my feet.  This is where I will live among the Israelites forever. 48:35 - the name of the city from that time on will be; "THE LORD IS THERE".  Don't get this confused with the New Jerusalem.  BTW, the east gate has been closed for centuries by the Arabs, they knew about this prophecy, and believed it.  Why don't you believe it.

Your response is negated by the above.  "This is the place of my throne and the soles of my feet, this is where I will live among the Israelites forever.

 

Then why do you say that no man knows the hour or day of the 2nd Coming.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Many Claim Ezekiel Chapters 40-46, Represents A Future Temple In A Millennium On Earth, Is This True?

 

As clearly shown, Ezekiel Chapter 43 showed the temple "Pattern" to the House of Israel in the Babylonian Captivity let "Them" measure, Ezekiel was instructed to write the ordinances and law in "Their" sight, that "They" keep them, not some future generation as many "Falsely" claim

 

The temple seen in Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 is nothing more than the 2nd Zerubbabel Temple built 536BC after the Babylonian Captivity, where animal sacrifice for "Sin" was instructed by "God", prior to the shed blood of Jesus Christ on Calvary, don't be deceived

 

Ezekiel 43:10-11 & 19-21KJV

10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.

11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.

 

19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering.

20 And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it.

21 Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary.

Edited June 30, 2022 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

22 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

This is where I will live among the Israelites forever. 48:35 - the name of the city from that time on will be; "THE LORD IS THERE".  Don't get this confused with the New Jerusalem.  BTW, the east gate has been closed for centuries by the Arabs, they knew about this prophecy, and believed it.  Why don't you believe it.

Your response is negated by the above.  "This is the place of my throne and the soles of my feet, this is where I will live among the Israelites forever.

 

Then why do you say that no man knows the hour or day of the 2nd Coming.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Ezekiel Chapters 47-48 Is The Eternal Kingdom, Dont Be Deceived

 

Ezekiel Below Is (The Eternal Kingdom) Same River And Tree Of life, Same Fruit On The Tree, Same Leaves Of The Tree For Healing/Medicine

 

(The Eternal Kingdom)

 

Ezekiel 47:12KJV

12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

 

(The Eternal Kingdom)

 

Revelation 22:1-2KJV

1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

[truth7t7]

41 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

Definitely false;   Isa. 19:23 - In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria.  The Assyrians will go to Egypt and Egyptians to Assyria.  The Egyptians and Assyrians will worship together.  In that day Israel will be a third along with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing on the earth.  The Lord Almighty will bless them saying; "Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my inheritance".

Ezk. 43: 4,7 - The glory of the Lord entered the temple through the gate facing East... Son of man, this is the place of my throne and the place for the soles of my feet.  This is where I will live among the Israelites forever. 48:35 - the name of the city from that time on will be; "THE LORD IS THERE".  Don't get this confused with the New Jerusalem.  BTW, the east gate has been closed for centuries by the Arabs, they knew about this prophecy, and believed it.  Why don't you believe it.

Your response is negated by the above.  "This is the place of my throne and the soles of my feet, this is where I will live among the Israelites forever.

 

Then why do you say that no man knows the hour or day of the 2nd Coming.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Not one word suggest Isaiah 19 is a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth

Israel is currently at peace with Egypt, a highway currently exist from Egypt to Syria

At best a claim could be made that the words (In That Day) is a kingdom seen after (The Day Of The Lord) takes place (The End)

Edited June 30, 2022 by truth7t7

[WilliamL]

On 6/28/2022 at 8:47 AM, AdHoc said:

Evidence .. yes, but you reached no conclusion. Be careful though to put those verses into their context because Jesus did not go to Hades to preach to the dead. The text reads 

6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are (now) dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

The sense is that they heard the gospel when alive ... and are NOW dead, so the end of the sentence is "But LIVE according to God." They could not LIVE according to God as dead men.

Classic case of "adding to the Word" one's own belief. There is no "now" to be found here, neither in the scripture nor implied. Purely your presumption, in order to support your doctrine.