A Mis - Understood Topic: Timing of the Rapture

[Marilyn C]

11 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Many people assume as you do, that John was telling us they came out of the same days of "great tribulation" that Jesus spoke of. That is impossible. You see, John was very careful in his chronology, and up to chapter 7 in his book, he has not yet started the 70th week or "tribulation," much less arrived at the second half of the week where Jesus said "those days" of "great tribulation" would begin. Therefore, John was not talking about the same thing Jesus was talking about.

 

The judgment scroll is an overview of the tribulation. And the great multitude that no one can count, will be taken out of the great tribulation as God`s word tells us. it is a preview of what would happen. 

 

[truth7t7]

4 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

The judgment scroll is an overview of the tribulation. And the great multitude that no one can count, will be taken out of the great tribulation as God`s word tells us. it is a preview of what would happen. 

 

No such thing as a pre-trib rapture found in scripture as you suggest, it's a fabricated fairy tale of man, namely John N. Darby 1830's and C.I. Scofield in his 1909 reference Bible, better known as dispensationalism

Edited June 26, 2022 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

10 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Well .... the gates of pearl are Tribes of Israel. Are you getting to heaven through the Jews?  You don't have to answer ...

Go well

The Church is the 12 tribes of Israel

James 1:1KJV

1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

[Marilyn C]

51 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

No such thing as a pre-trib rapture found in scripture as you suggest, it's a fabricated fairy tale of man, namely John N. Darby 1830's and C.I. Scofield in his 1909 reference Bible, better known as dispensationalism

You would have to disprove it instead of disparaging someone not here to defend themselves. 

[Marilyn C]

48 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

The Church is the 12 tribes of Israel

James 1:1KJV

1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

The 12 tribes were scattered as James said. However the Body of Christ are the Ekklesia - the called out ones, called out of Israel and the nations.

[truth7t7]

2 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

The 12 tribes were scattered as James said. However the Body of Christ are the Ekklesia - the called out ones, called out of Israel and the nations.

James wrote to the Church, who Are the 12 tribes scattered abroad, where there is neither Jew nor Greek

[truth7t7]

2 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

You would have to disprove it instead of disparaging someone not here to defend themselves. 

No disparaging whatsoever, you made a claim of a pre-trib rapture that's found no place in scripture, I don't expect you to post scripture to support your claim because none exist's

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Edited June 26, 2022 by truth7t7

[AdHoc]

10 hours ago, iamlamad said:

No one is getting in over the wall! And the gates are, without a doubt, guarded by angels. Since we all are grafted in to the Jewish tree of salvation, I will leave it up to God which gate.  ;-)

Now that is an interesting concept on an orthodox Bible Forum - a Jewish Tree of Salvation.

[AdHoc]

8 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

reading the context further on we see that those believers have NOT died.

`See that you do not refuse Him who speaks...` (Heb. 12: 25)

That was my point. You said that it was heaven and scripture says these saints "have come". My question was then, how is the Book of Hebrews applicable to the dead in heaven? And if they are alive then you made something heaven that was not.

[AdHoc]

3 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

The Church is the 12 tribes of Israel

James 1:1KJV

1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

No. If you read Galatians Chapter 2 you will see that the twelve were sent to the CIRCUMCISION (vs.7-9). In the same Chapter, Paul is sent to the UNCIRCUMCISION. James 1:1 tells the truth. James writes to the CIRCUMCISION. 

The twelve Tribes REJECT Jesus - vehemently, as they did Moses. The twelve Tribes energetically persecuted and murdered the followers of Jesus. They still do today. The twelve Tribes called for Caesar as their king and for Jesus' blood to their and their children's account. The twelve Tribes are presently cut out of the Olive Tree. The twelve Tribes are under chastisement since the Assyrian deportation. God left their Temple "desolate" (Matt.23:38). He caused their city to be burned. The curses of Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28 are still being seen today.

The twelve Tribes came from Jacob's loins - the Church came from incorruptible seed (1st Pet.1:23).