There was water before the creation ?

[R. Hartono]

Genesis 1:1 ...and the Spirit of God hovering over the water.

1. Where did the water came from before the creation ? There are not any verse regarding the creation of water.

God suddenly divide the water without any hint as to when did He create it. Its in Genesis 1:⁶ And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.”

2. And in the 1st day God said let there be light that made morning and evening. How can there be morning and evening before the creation of the earth ? 

Genesis 1 ³ And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. ⁴ God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. ⁵ God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

3. Further how could God create the sky to separate the water at the above and below the vault/sky on the 2nd day before the creation of the earth on the 3rd day ? 

Genesis 1 ⁶ And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” ⁷ So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. ⁸ God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

Did Moses write it wrong ? No way.

Imho Genesis 1:1 actually explains that God already created the earth and the water before the socalled 1st day by Moses. But the earth was not yet ready as it was all covered by water. Formless and void as Moses wrote it. Thats why the Spirit of God was hovering over the water.  

So at the 1st day the earth was already spinning when God created the light of the stars, spinning created morning and evening

And therefore God did not create the earth on the 3rd day as churches believe but simply separate the water  from the land.

 

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[George]

46 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

Genesis 1:1 ...and the Spirit of God hovering over the water.

Where did the water came from before the creation ?

And in the 1st day God said let there be light that made morning and evening. How can there be morning and evening before the creation of the earth ? 

Further how could God separate the water at the above and below the vault on the 2nd day before the creation of the earth on the 3rd day ? 

Did Moses write it wrong ? No.

Folks, pastors, servants of church kindly explain.

 

Simple ... water was created on day 1. 

Second question ... evening and morning ... are time frames.

Third question ... creation of the atmosphere ... the separation of the seas and the firmament.

Be blessed,

George

[R. Hartono]

2 hours ago, George said:

Simple ... water was created on day 1. 

Second question ... evening and morning ... are time frames.

Third question ... creation of the atmosphere ... the separation of the seas and the firmament.

Be blessed, George

Thanks George,

1. But there is no verse explaining the creation of water.

2. How possible evening and morning as time frames in the 1st day without the earth created first on the 3rd day ?

3.How does God separate seas and firmament on the 2nd day without creating the earth first on the 3rd day ?

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[George]

8 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

But there is no verse explaining the creation of water.

The creation account says everything was non-existent before the creation and all things were created by Him and for Him.  John 1:1-5; Colossians 1:15-16 are a few passages I can think of.

8 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

2. How possible evening and morning as time frames in the 1st day without the earth created first on the 3rd day ?

Time will soon be a non-factor, and God gives us a reference in time in the creation account.  You are basing time on the fact the sun, moon, and stars needed to be here in order for time to exist.  Simply, time in this realm began when God spoke and began this 'creation' beginning on Day 1.

8 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

3.How does God separate seas and firmament on the 2nd day without creating the earth first on the 3rd day ?

I guess you'll have to ask God when you see Him!  

The entire creation account is an interesting discussion amongst scholars, but honestly to comprehend the entirety of this magnificent creation in one chapter is an amazing summation of this universe.

[R. Hartono]

On 6/21/2022 at 9:43 PM, George said:

The creation account says everything was non-existent before the creation and all things were created by Him and for Him.  John 1:1-5; Colossians 1:15-16 are a few passages I can think of.

Time will soon be a non-factor, and God gives us a reference in time in the creation account.  You are basing time on the fact the sun, moon, and stars needed to be here in order for time to exist.  Simply, time in this realm began when God spoke and began this 'creation' beginning on Day 1.

I guess you'll have to ask God when you see Him!  

The entire creation account is an interesting discussion amongst scholars, but honestly to comprehend the entirety of this magnificent creation in one chapter is an amazing summation of this universe.

You know George the core of this earth is still liquid lava, when God separated water above and below the vault the earth needed cooling first that might took millions of years.

So do you see that ? Earth was already created as hot liquid ball long before the creation of water on the 2nd day. Probably planets were created by the bigbang. Thats the message which i comprehend.

Thats why when God created light at the 1st day it was actually the shining stars that light the cooling and spinning earth and created morning and evening. 

So the 3rd day was not the creation of the earth but the separation of water and continent.

I could be wrong but that might be what the Genesis/Moses is trying to tell us. 

 

 

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[Justin Adams]

From the non-decay of certain isotopes, I think the earth was never a 'molten ball' as some say.

[Who me]

On 6/21/2022 at 3:07 AM, R. Hartono said:

Genesis 1:1 ...

Acually starts:- " In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"

 

Do quote scriptur accuratly.

It literally means, when everything began to begin God created.

In that there is no problem for Gd created space, time, energy, matter and the laws by which they interact.

[R. Hartono]

1 hour ago, Who me said:

Acually starts:- " In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"

 

Do quote scriptur accuratly.

It literally means, when everything began to begin God created.

In that there is no problem for Gd created space, time, energy, matter and the laws by which they interact.

Imho Genesis 1:1 explains that God already created the earth and the water before the Moses's socalled 1st day but it was not ready yet because the earth was totally covered with water so its called formless and empty and so the Spirit of God hovering over the covering water. 

@enoob57

@George

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[R. Hartono]

32 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

From the non-decay of certain isotopes, I think the earth was never a 'molten ball' as some say.

Imho the hot liquid lava core of this earth shows what the earth was in the beginning.

 

Edited June 27, 2022 by R. Hartono

[enoob57]

the choice is quite simple for us that are here and not there and then:
We can let God's Word reign in our understanding.

We can let our own presuppositions reign.

We can let presuppositions of others reign.

I'm going for God's Word because God says this

Matthew 24:35 (KJV)

[35] Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.