The Time is Ripe

[Dennis1209]

The time is ripe. The United States and the world are again pushing Israel for a two-state solution. Israel cannot give up any land; they need every inch as a buffer to see and deter threats imposed on them. Putin has now joined the bandwagon and has become belligerent toward Israel. They are now demanding Israel cease all air sorties against Iran in Syria as if he owns it.

Russia’s alliances and mutual defense pacts with Iran and Turkey continue to strengthen; they recently all met again. Iran is funneling and supplying weapons to their proxies Hamas and Hezbollah through Syria, now supplying them with “smart rockets.”. Russia has established seaports and airbases and is building up military supplies and equipment on Israel’s northern border.

Iran’s proxies Hezbollah and Hamas have 100,000 rockets pointed at Israel ready to fire. They are now receiving smart weapons to replace dumb rockets that prematurely explode and miss their mark.

Iran is on the cusp of becoming a nuclear power, and the world knows they will employ it without hesitation of the consequences. A Jewish vow is a serious matter; Israel has vowed not to allow Iran a nuclear weapon.

In my mind, there is no debate on the prophetic events of Psalm 83, Isiah 17, and Jerimiah 49. The only questions I have are when and in what order. What will the trigger be that starts the chain of events?

All the above not to mention the Gog-Magog invasion.

[Keiw1]

55 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

The time is ripe. The United States and the world are again pushing Israel for a two-state solution. Israel cannot give up any land; they need every inch as a buffer to see and deter threats imposed on them. Putin has now joined the bandwagon and has become belligerent toward Israel. They are now demanding Israel cease all air sorties against Iran in Syria as if he owns it.

Russia’s alliances and mutual defense pacts with Iran and Turkey continue to strengthen; they recently all met again. Iran is funneling and supplying weapons to their proxies Hamas and Hezbollah through Syria, now supplying them with “smart rockets.”. Russia has established seaports and airbases and is building up military supplies and equipment on Israel’s northern border.

Iran’s proxies Hezbollah and Hamas have 100,000 rockets pointed at Israel ready to fire. They are now receiving smart weapons to replace dumb rockets that prematurely explode and miss their mark.

Iran is on the cusp of becoming a nuclear power, and the world knows they will employ it without hesitation of the consequences. A Jewish vow is a serious matter; Israel has vowed not to allow Iran a nuclear weapon.

In my mind, there is no debate on the prophetic events of Psalm 83, Isiah 17, and Jerimiah 49. The only questions I have are when and in what order. What will the trigger be that starts the chain of events?

All the above not to mention the Gog-Magog invasion.

 

The Gog of Magog invasion doesnt occur until after armageddon and after the 1000 year reign of Christ, when satan is loosed for a little while. Rev 20:7-8)- This occurs to the righteous who live on earth( great crowd and those ressurected to life) some of the ressurected follow satan once he is loosed-these make up Gog of Magog. Literal Israel religion is cut off of being Gods chosen( Matt 23:38-39) they outright refuse to do verse 39. They never will. Spiritual Israel meaning Gods chosen is called Israel in revelation. John had no clue what the religion would be called during the events he described in Revelation.

[Selah7]

1 hour ago, Dennis1209 said:

The only questions I have are when and in what order. What will the trigger be that starts the chain of events?

The trigger, in my opinion, will be seeing the abominable one (the antichrist) setting himself up in Jerusalem.  We need to keep our eyes on Jerusalem.     selah 
 

 

[Wayne222]

   Russia has a pact with Iran. I think after the Antichrist rules then Gog will invade Isarel.

[R. Hartono]

4 hours ago, Wayne222 said:

   Russia has a pact with Iran. I think after the Antichrist rules then Gog will invade Isarel.

Imho antichrist will be released by the 1st seal to conquer the wars of the world /WW3 after gog and Arab invasion and he Will make the 7 years peace covenant of Daniel 9:26-27.

[AdHoc]

14 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

The time is ripe. The United States and the world are again pushing Israel for a two-state solution. Israel cannot give up any land; they need every inch as a buffer to see and deter threats imposed on them. Putin has now joined the bandwagon and has become belligerent toward Israel. They are now demanding Israel cease all air sorties against Iran in Syria as if he owns it.

Russia’s alliances and mutual defense pacts with Iran and Turkey continue to strengthen; they recently all met again. Iran is funneling and supplying weapons to their proxies Hamas and Hezbollah through Syria, now supplying them with “smart rockets.”. Russia has established seaports and airbases and is building up military supplies and equipment on Israel’s northern border.

Iran’s proxies Hezbollah and Hamas have 100,000 rockets pointed at Israel ready to fire. They are now receiving smart weapons to replace dumb rockets that prematurely explode and miss their mark.

Iran is on the cusp of becoming a nuclear power, and the world knows they will employ it without hesitation of the consequences. A Jewish vow is a serious matter; Israel has vowed not to allow Iran a nuclear weapon.

In my mind, there is no debate on the prophetic events of Psalm 83, Isiah 17, and Jerimiah 49. The only questions I have are when and in what order. What will the trigger be that starts the chain of events?

All the above not to mention the Gog-Magog invasion.

Israel find themselves surrounded by enemies because of two reasons;

1. They broke, and do break the Law of Moses. A Covenant, or contract, has duties and penalties. A broken covenant does not disappear. It bears its full force when broken. Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28 outline the curses that will come upon Israel if they broke the Law. These penalties we see fulfilled before our eyes
2. Israel did not annihilate the tribes of Canaan as commanded by God. Numbers 33:55 is a promise from God that for their disobedience, the Nations around them would become "pricks in their eyes and thorns in their sides".

Are we really shocked to see Israel beleaguered?

But these threats hide an even greater threat. They make the way for the Beast. If a charismatic and capable man, and man with seeming supernatural capabilities arises, will not the environment be created for greater concessions for peace. "PEACE" is the danger.

1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. (1st Thess.3:1-3)

The "day" of destruction comes in an environment of PEACE - not threat. The Abomination of Desolation is not the result of an act of war. It is an act of peace where the Beast has negotiated a new Temple. It occurs when the Third Temple may stand next to Al Aqsa without Intifada. It occurs when Israel are so impressed with this man that they install him in the Holy of Holies, and the rest of the nations nod their heads.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God (2nd Thess.2:3–4)

 

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[Dennis1209]

2 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Israel find themselves surrounded by enemies because of two reasons;

1. They broke, and do break the Law of Moses. A Covenant, or contract, has duties and penalties. A broken covenant does not disappear. It bears its full force when broken. Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28 outline the curses that will come upon Israel if they broke the Law. These penalties we see fulfilled before our eyes
2. Israel did not annihilate the tribes of Canaan as commanded by God. Numbers 33:55 is a promise from God that for their disobedience, the Nations around them would become "pricks in their eyes and thorns in their sides".

Are we really shocked to see Israel beleaguered?

But these threats hide an even greater threat. They make the way for the Beast. If a charismatic and capable man, and man with seeming supernatural capabilities arises, will not the environment be created for greater concessions for peace. "PEACE" is the danger.

1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. (1st Thess.3:1-3)

The "day" of destruction comes in an environment of PEACE - not threat. The Abomination of Desolation is not the result of an act of war. It is an act of peace where the Beast has negotiated a new Temple. It occurs when the Third Temple may stand next to Al Aqsa without Intifada. It occurs when Israel are so impressed with this man that they install him in the Holy of Holies, and the rest of the nations nod their heads.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God (2nd Thess.2:3–4)

 

You left out one AdHoc 😊

Genesis 16:12 (KJV) And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

I agree; you're preaching to the choir. I didn't think it pertinent at the time to delve into the law, Israeli history, and disobeying the Lord.

The crux of the matter is anti-biblical. The Arabs wrongfully believe Ishmael and Esau inherited the blessing of the land. Esau's descendants, a.k.a. the Palestinian refugees living in a tent city, are the focal point and scapegoats. If these Arabs and Muslims are so concerned about these people, why do they not take them into their countries? They have land and room to spare, and they don't want them either.

I believe the time of "peace" you are referring to is the first 3.5 years of the Tribulation under the covenant of the Antichrist. The rest of the world will be at war in turmoil with the A/C controlling and conquering. During this period before the Abomination of Desolation, I see Israel living in relative Peace and safety versus the rest of the world. Is this what and when we are discussing?

At present, Israel is in turmoil with a temporary incompetent government. When Israel signs a covenant with Death & Hell, it must have another incompetent government.

Isaiah 28:15 (KJV) Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves: Isaiah 28:18 (KJV) And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it. [Emphasis added]

I interpret the above to imply some persecution, scourge, or offensive aggression is heading Israel's way they cannot defend. Instead of relying and calling on the name of the Lord, they turn to the Antichrist. Possibly at first, they accept A/C as their Messiah, but they know whom they are making a covenant and think they have no other choice.

I've wondered if this "overflowing scourge" relates to the medieval inquisitions and crusades. With replacement theology, what the RCC thinks about the Jews murdering the Messiah, and their actions/inactions during the Holocaust, not to mention the successful ecumenical movement by the Pope uniting the world religions, letters of agreement with Muslim sects., etc. I have suspicions of what and who this scourge could be.   

1 Thessalonians 5:3 (KJV) For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. [emphasis added]

To paraphrase, I think the above verse is saying; that during the first half of the Tribulation, Israel believes they are living in safety under the protection of the A/C covenant. As stated, there will be a delay in the process, using the symbology of the birth pains in childbearing. Then suddenly, at the A.O.D. the A/C declares himself god and starts slaughtering the Israelites, with only a remnant who will survive by divine providence in Jordan.

As always, interesting conversation.

 

 

[Keiw1]

18 hours ago, Selah7 said:

The trigger, in my opinion, will be seeing the abominable one (the antichrist) setting himself up in Jerusalem.  We need to keep our eyes on Jerusalem.     selah 
 

 

The antichrist will not be a man. The bible says its the number of a man-number is the key in that statement.

[Keiw1]

18 hours ago, Selah7 said:

The trigger, in my opinion, will be seeing the abominable one (the antichrist) setting himself up in Jerusalem.  We need to keep our eyes on Jerusalem.     selah 
 

 

In the numbers of men-7 = completeness--this describes what Gods kingdom will do for mankind and all of creation-bring complete relief.

#6 then falls short of complete= what mortal rulers of the earth accomplish-- 666 is the number--3 things in the power positions on earth 1) govts -6-2) false religions-6 3) the commercial system-6--- all claim to be able to do bigger and better things for mankind, but have totally failed them. All 3 lose their power positions upon the arrival of Gods kingdom rule in full control-they do not want to see that-thus= antichrist.

[AdHoc]

5 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

You left out one AdHoc 😊

Genesis 16:12 (KJV) And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

I agree; you're preaching to the choir. I didn't think it pertinent at the time to delve into the law, Israeli history, and disobeying the Lord.

The crux of the matter is anti-biblical. The Arabs wrongfully believe Ishmael and Esau inherited the blessing of the land. Esau's descendants, a.k.a. the Palestinian refugees living in a tent city, are the focal point and scapegoats. If these Arabs and Muslims are so concerned about these people, why do they not take them into their countries? They have land and room to spare, and they don't want them either.

I believe the time of "peace" you are referring to is the first 3.5 years of the Tribulation under the covenant of the Antichrist. The rest of the world will be at war in turmoil with the A/C controlling and conquering. During this period before the Abomination of Desolation, I see Israel living in relative Peace and safety versus the rest of the world. Is this what and when we are discussing?

At present, Israel is in turmoil with a temporary incompetent government. When Israel signs a covenant with Death & Hell, it must have another incompetent government.

Isaiah 28:15 (KJV) Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves: Isaiah 28:18 (KJV) And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it. [Emphasis added]

I interpret the above to imply some persecution, scourge, or offensive aggression is heading Israel's way they cannot defend. Instead of relying and calling on the name of the Lord, they turn to the Antichrist. Possibly at first, they accept A/C as their Messiah, but they know whom they are making a covenant and think they have no other choice.

I've wondered if this "overflowing scourge" relates to the medieval inquisitions and crusades. With replacement theology, what the RCC thinks about the Jews murdering the Messiah, and their actions/inactions during the Holocaust, not to mention the successful ecumenical movement by the Pope uniting the world religions, letters of agreement with Muslim sects., etc. I have suspicions of what and who this scourge could be.   

1 Thessalonians 5:3 (KJV) For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. [emphasis added]

To paraphrase, I think the above verse is saying; that during the first half of the Tribulation, Israel believes they are living in safety under the protection of the A/C covenant. As stated, there will be a delay in the process, using the symbology of the birth pains in childbearing. Then suddenly, at the A.O.D. the A/C declares himself god and starts slaughtering the Israelites, with only a remnant who will survive by divine providence in Jordan.

As always, interesting conversation.

 

 

I kinda agree with your take, but I shift the "peace" bit forward a bit. Maybe our slight difference in time is due to differing understanding of the covenant the Beast and Israel make. I understand from the grammar (and a most studied portion it is), that the literal translation is; "He (the Beast) confirms  (or "strengthens") THE Covenant ... ". Israel have Two Covenants with God; (i) the covenant of Promise with Abraham and his seed, and (ii) the Covenant of Law with Moses. All other Covenants, like that of the priesthood and of the Sabbath and of Passover are under ordinance of the Covenant of Law. Now, THE Covenant that the Beast "strengthens" is not left to our imaginations. It is that Covenant that contains the "daily oblation". That is - the Covenant of Law. What is decisive, as I have said before, is that the Covenant of Law has, as its center, "the place God will choose to put His name". The Law of Tithes, Harvests and Feasts all depend on there being a Temple in Jerusalem.

Now, if the Beast is to "strengthen THE Covenant" at the beginning of the last week, there would have to be Peace at least some months before when he negotiated the building of the third Temple. However, it is all academic for you and I because Daniel is prophecy for "Daniel's People". Of course we study it and find great pleasure in God' plans with all men, but 2nd Thessalonians is  much more pertinent to us. There, it is not the building of a Temple or a Covenant, but the "revealing" of the Beast. The Beast must have at least four fames. He must ascend out of the Abyss, he must be revealed as a master politician, he must be crowned by the ten kings and he must be anointed as deity in the Holy of Holies. We need only be there for the first two (2nd Thess.2:3). If we are on earth for the last two, we have missed the rapture of the firstfruits.

The point that many Christians miss is that we do not know the time of His (Christ's) "Parousia" (Gk.) - His coming in secret to the clouds. If Israel had insight on Daniel (they are blind to the end), they would know the day of His "Apokalypsis" (Gk.) - His bursting forth from the clouds over Jerusalem. Students of prophecy don't make the difference, and so we have the hefty debates. They get His "Erchomai" (Gk.) - His "arrival" in the various places jumbled. It is not that complicated, but it needs lots of "grunt work". That is, going through the scriptures over and over till all objections are answered.