Isa 53'and Jewish Rabbis

[Anne2]

3 hours ago, Slibhin said:

Thank-you for finding a grammar error in my post, probably an autocorrect from my phone. I fixed it.

Sorry you wrote and entire rebuttal based on the error.

No, actually plural covenants are not error. I was just hopeful you would answer what you claim in light of that is all.

[JohnR7]

32 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Totally agree with you! All men are saved if they accept the Messiah... we simply have to pull away from Babylon....

It is in the news that Iran wants to: "to turn New York into “hellish ruins”. It would appear that they think NYC is Babylon. 

[Charlie744]

3 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

It is in the news that Iran wants to: "to turn New York into “hellish ruins”. It would appear that they think NYC is Babylon. 

I understand and many folks attempt to identify the verses in scriptures to "today's worldly events"... 

Man will never change - since Caine and Able there have been killings, and that will not change until the second coming, but whether it is one brother killing another or one nation destroying another nation, and everything in between, they are not events (my opinion) to be matched with God's Words and prophecies. There will always be wars and rumors of wars... Jesus telling us these things are going to happen, but they are not important in my plan of events.

This WAR is one for the battle of one's soul. Man has died by the thousands or even millions - especially in the 20th century... those wars should certainly have brought in the end if those kinds of events meant it was nearing the end.... 

Each man after the Cross has his own war / battle and that is the only one God is involved in.  It is an internal war or battle we face daily - our  sin nature v. our desire and ability to obey His commandments and place our faith in Him. If we are successful in doing that each and every day - to the best of our ability (and that of course means with the Holy Spirit within us), then  what happens to the body is not the determination of the battle ground. If Iran or China send a 100 nukes and destroys the US, it means nothing if we had placed our faith in the Messiah... We have individually won our war... 

Once again, just my thoughts, Charlie

 

[JimmyB]

2 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

Not the origional King James version.  Or the English translations before the KJV. I am a descendant of Bloody Mary first Maryter that helped to translate the Bible into English. In fact we share the same name as well as  the same DNA. The proper word is Judea. Jesus was of the tribe of Judea. 

In School I was told they prefer the word Hebrews. This is a term applied to Abraham who was the first to cross over the river and leave the Tigris Euphrates River Valley. God gave Abraham and his descendants ALL of the Arab contentential plate. This is 1500. by 1500 by 1500 miles. Which of course gives them mineral rights and all airspace. Paul tells us that we are adopted into the family. I figure that I will be given a condo or a place to say in the New Jerusalem so I have a place to stay when I go there when. I study Hasidic under Rabbi Trugman and Rabbi Friedmen. They feel a need to reach out with their Kaballah teaching to whoever is interested. 

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This makes no sense!  Regardless of whom you are descended from, you must take responsibility for your own errors.

Yeshua was from the tribe of Judah.  Judea is a region, not a tribe.

Regardless of what you were told in school, I and other Jews call ourselves by that term.

 

 

Edited August 19, 2022 by JimmyB
Separate my reply from the post above

[teddyv]

On 8/18/2022 at 3:50 PM, Slibhin said:

It's an in joke because I was born on April 1st.

One of them lizard people, obviously. Where do you keep the space lasers?

[Wayne222]

5 hours ago, DPMartin said:

here:

Isa 53:8  He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

 

therefore, not the children of Israel because the children of Israel are in the Jewish eyes God's people. 

you may not convince them that Jesus Christ is the awaited messiah, but you can convince them that this is the messiah and not the Jewish population.

but isaiah is the book, i met in the 70's a coverted rabbi who was coverted because he set out to write a book about Isaiah and discovered that Jesus is the messiah. he went on a drinking bought and then converted.

That's wild. I think if anyone reads Isaiah with a open mind they will see that it's the Messiah in 53.! Thanks

[Your closest friendnt]

3 hours ago, Wayne222 said:

That's wild. I think if anyone reads Isaiah with a open mind they will see that it's the Messiah in 53.! Thanks

K J V  Isaiah 53: 

 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?

² For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

³ He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him;

he was despised,

and we esteemed him not.

⁴ Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

⁵ But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

⁶ All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

⁷ He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

⁸ He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

⁹ And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

¹⁰ Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

¹¹ He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

¹² Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

[JohnR7]

5 hours ago, JimmyB said:

This makes no sense!  Regardless of whom you are descended from, you must take responsibility for your own errors.

You have failed to show me any error or anything to justify your obvious slander. You can not turn it around and make it my fault that you are falsely accusing me. I made a mistake trying to talk to you myself. I should have just reported you. 

[JohnR7]

6 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

All men are saved if they accept the Messiah...

I believe every name is written in the Lambs book of life from the foundation of the world. They are bloted out if and when they reject God's plan of salvation. David talks about this in Psalm 69.

Psalm 69:28 "May they be blotted out of the Book of Life and not listed with the righteous". 

Revelation 3:5
Like them, he who overcomes will be dressed in white. And I will never blot out his name from the Book of Life, but I will confess his name before My Father and His Angels.

[Charlie744]

14 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

I believe every name is written in the Lambs book of life from the foundation of the world. They are bloted out if and when they reject God's plan of salvation. David talks about this in Psalm 69.

Psalm 69:28 "May they be blotted out of the Book of Life and not listed with the righteous". 

Revelation 3:5
Like them, he who overcomes will be dressed in white. And I will never blot out his name from the Book of Life, but I will confess his name before My Father and His Angels.

Thanks for the comment... I had not looked into this before...But I would  respectfully ask if you might begin a OP of this issue; Is the Book of Life have everyone's name in it before they are even born and then it is blotted out because of our actions, or something else...

This would be interesting to read and learn, thanks, Charlie