Isa 53'and Jewish Rabbis

[Your closest friendnt]

26 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

I believe every name is written in the Lambs book of life from the foundation of the world. They are bloted out if and when they reject God's plan of salvation. David talks about this in Psalm 69.

Psalm 69:28 "May they be blotted out of the Book of Life and not listed with the righteous". 

Revelation 3:5
Like them, he who overcomes will be dressed in white. And I will never blot out his name from the Book of Life, but I will confess his name before My Father and His Angels.

We have more than one book of Life, the one in the Old Testament for the Nation of Israel only, the one David referred to, and they can be others.  And there can be other books, like the book of the children of God of the Law, the children of Abraham in the Law, because Abraham also had other children before the Law, who were the children of the Circumcision...from Abraham to Issac to Jacob-Israel, and then all the household of Jacob...who also were included in Abraham's Inheritance...

You need to be more specific, considering the statement Jesus Christ made about the book of Life in Revelation three when he was addressing believers active in the ministry of the faith.  

[JohnR7]

5 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

We have more than one book of Life

I am talking about the one written before the foundation of the world. 

[JimmyB]

9 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

You have failed to show me any error or anything to justify your obvious slander. You can not turn it around and make it my fault that you are falsely accusing me. I made a mistake trying to talk to you myself. I should have just reported you. 

Obvious slander?  You brag about your ancestor from centuries ago as though that gives you some special power.  It's ludicrous!

To repeat...

Yeshua was from the tribe of Judah.  Judea is a region, not a tribe.

Regardless of what you were told in school, I and other Jews call ourselves by that term.

Since you have no on-topic reply, I consider myself correct in this matter.

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, JimmyB said:

Obvious slander?  You brag about your ancestor from centuries ago as though that gives you some special power.  It's ludicrous!

To repeat...

Yeshua was from the tribe of Judah.  Judea is a region, not a tribe.

Regardless of what you were told in school, I and other Jews call ourselves by that term.

Since you have no on-topic reply, I consider myself correct in this matter.

Not every Israelite is from the tribe of Judah, none of the twelve disciples of Jesus were from the tribe of Jesus and none of the Priests were from the tribe of Judah, for that reason they cannot be call Jews...

Jews were dress at that time the same way as they are dress today in black robbing them and all their family, like the Amish of today's...something like that...I do not have full knowledge of their detail customs and terms, but that what understand...

[Sower]

2 hours ago, Slibhin said:

Do not waste your time trying to debate a person so disconnected from reality. I do not believe he really has "Jewish friends" anymore than teenage boys all have a Canadian/British girlfriend no one ever met.

I really should stop watching this thread but to me it's like a car accident.

I was wondering the same thing, Slibhin, why you are still here
Could it be just to straighten out the ignorant Christians about Judaism?
Or is it simply for your own entertainment, to express to us your bedside manners?   I think maybe there may be something else, something powerful drawing you here.
You think its possible? 
 

  “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing!   Matthew 23:39

PS, Jesus loves you...

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

13 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

I believe every name is written in the Lambs book of life from the foundation of the world. They are bloted out if and when they reject God's plan of salvation. David talks about this in Psalm 69.

Psalm 69:28 "May they be blotted out of the Book of Life and not listed with the righteous". 

Revelation 3:5
Like them, he who overcomes will be dressed in white. And I will never blot out his name from the Book of Life, but I will confess his name before My Father and His Angels.

I believe there are 2 books of life. The " book of Life " that contains the names of every person who ever lived. Then there is the " Lamb's book of Life " that ONLY contains the names of the saved. 

[teddyv]

37 minutes ago, Sower said:

I was wondering the same thing, Slibhin, why you are still here
Could it be just to straighten out the ignorant Christians about Judaism?
Or is it simply for your own entertainment, to express to us your bedside manners?   I think maybe there may be something else, something powerful drawing you here.
You think its possible? 
 

  “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing!   Matthew 23:39

PS, Jesus loves you...

I'm fine with her here. At least getting the viewpoint more-or-less straight from the horse's mouth can minimize incorrect or debatable assumptions of Jewish thought on these matters.

On a previous forum, there was also a Jewish man who was heavily involved and I found a valuable source of the Jewish perspective. I don't think he was of the same strand of Judaism as @Slibhin is though.

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

21 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

Not the origional King James version.  Or the English translations before the KJV. I am a descendant of Bloody Mary first Maryter that helped to translate the Bible into English. In fact we share the same name as well as  the same DNA. The proper word is Judea. Jesus was of the tribe of Judea. 

In School I was told they prefer the word Hebrews. This is a term applied to Abraham who was the first to cross over the river and leave the Tigris Euphrates River Valley. God gave Abraham and his descendants ALL of the Arab contentential plate. This is 1500. by 1500 by 1500 miles. Which of course gives them mineral rights and all airspace. Paul tells us that we are adopted into the family. I figure that I will be given a condo or a place to say in the New Jerusalem so I have a place to stay when I go there when. I study Hasidic under Rabbi Trugman and Rabbi Friedmen. They feel a need to reach out with their Kaballah teaching to whoever is interested. 

 

Do you mean Jesus isn't from the tribe of Judah? Judea isn't a tribe. It was a region and the southern kingdom. And actually according to the genealogies listed in Matthew and Luke, Jesus is from the tribe of Judah. 

 

I would avoid the kabbalah. It is practiced by mystics and people who don't even believe in the God of scripture. I have been told by other Jews that it is no better than witchcraft. Madonna who hates Christians practiced kabbalah if that tells you anything. 

[Your closest friendnt]

53 minutes ago, Sower said:

I was wondering the same thing, Slibhin, why you are still here
Could it be just to straighten out the ignorant Christians about Judaism?
Or is it simply for your own entertainment, to express to us your bedside manners?   I think maybe there may be something else, something powerful drawing you here.
You think its possible? 
 

  “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing!   Matthew 23:39

PS, Jesus loves you...

You are Judging, even thought you may not see that as being Judgmental. 

You did not sent her hear, and you are not the one to tell her to leave. 

The rules allow her to be hear, and enter into a discussion. 

The rules acctually encourage that...as it is an open forum. And even atheist are wellcome. 

She did not pretend to be a believer, and she did not recieve anyone...

[Anne2]

1 minute ago, Your closest friendnt said:

You are Judging, even thought you may not see that as being Judgmental. 

You did not sent her hear, and you are not the one to tell her to leave. 

The rules allow her to be hear, and enter into a discussion. 

The rules acctually encourage that...as it is an open forum. And even atheist are wellcome. 

She did not pretend to be a believer, and she did not recieve anyone...

Attempted discussion but to no avail so far.