Isa 53'and Jewish Rabbis

[Your closest friendnt]

3 hours ago, Starise said:

Just curious. Why are we typing G-d since the term is only a designation for who He is? This isn't His name per se. 

If you notice I always try to remember any reference to Him with a capital letter as a sign of obedience and respect. I don't see the rationale for typing G-d. Not that it matters either way, but I don't see how we are less holy or spiritual if we don't type G-d. Only Orthodox Jews do this so far as I know.

This is what defines Judaism.

That they are always afraid of God, always the safest place is to keep in distance from him...Look at the set up of the Temple. 

The people of the congregation are not allowed to enter the Holy place , are forbidden to enter the Holy Place and eat from the Holy food..only the Priests and their families. 

And then there are some from the Jewish persuation that teach that they have a Heavenly Inheritance...after death. 

 

7 minutes ago, Slibhin said:

Definitely not a man.

This is not the issue, the issue is not around gender, it is about the individual...about a lot of things of the individual....

Then in this case I have to double comment you, as you have left a lot of men eating your dust...

Edited August 17, 2022 by Your closest friendnt

[Starise]

1 hour ago, Slibhin said:

I assume someone I blocked asked why we spell G-d.

Deuteronomy 12: 3 - 4

3 And you shall tear down their altars, smash their monuments, burn their asherim with fire, cut down the graven images of their gods, and destroy their name from that place. 

4 You shall not do so to the Lord, your God.

It is considered a sign of disrespect as well as a violation of the above commandment to destroy any of G-d's names. Anytime we write one of his names on a medium where it is likely to be erased or destroyed we hyphenate it. Some Jews will also substitute by saying "Hashem" which is not holy. 

Now you have the answer to your question.

Thanks for this answer, even though I doubt you will see it. Maybe I'm putting this out there for anyone else who wants to respond.

I guess I still don't fully understand.

Since calling God by the term God is like saying a man named Pete is a man, so I might refer to him as a man. Maybe I don't know all of the terms they use to refer to Pete. Now if I knew Pete well, he might think it's odd I called him a man instead of Pete. A man is a thing he is and God is the Mighty being He is. Far above anyone or anything else.He is God Almighty sometimes referred to with other names like Yahweh. I think of Him the way He referred to Himself " The Great I AM" The Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. Isn't omitting a letter in the description also a form of disrespect because we aren't even using the whole term used to describe what He is?

I guess I'm still missing a part of the puzzle here. 

[ayin jade]

9 minutes ago, Starise said:

Thanks for this answer, even though I doubt you will see it. Maybe I'm putting this out there for anyone else who wants to respond.

I guess I still don't fully understand.

Since calling God by the term God is like saying a man named Pete is a man, so I might refer to him as a man. Maybe I don't know all of the terms they use to refer to Pete. Now if I knew Pete well, he might think it's odd I called him a man instead of Pete. A man is a thing he is and God is the Mighty being He is. Far above anyone or anything else.He is God Almighty sometimes referred to with other names like Yahweh. I think of Him the way He referred to Himself " The Great I AM" The Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. Isn't omitting a letter in the description also a form of disrespect because we aren't even using the whole term used to describe what He is?

I guess I'm still missing a part of the puzzle here. 

Him isnt His name either. But we capitalize it out of respect. G-d is done also out of respect. Isnt that enough of a reason?

[Starise]

Oh I get the respect part of it, I just can't see why because it doesn't make sense to me yet.

In the case of "Him", we have English rules that tell us it can signify a title or person of respect. 

What I seem to be reading is that in Deuteronomy 12:3 God tells the Israelite s to destroy alters of false gods and to remove their names inscribed on the stones. 

I get that part of it. It's the second part that doesn't correlate into changing a reference to God for me.Without going back to read the whole chapter, verse 4 seems to be saying God does not want His name to be destroyed in a similar way.

My take away is that this would have been an intentional destruction of His name in order to be compared directly with the prior verse. God was telling them to never intentionally remove His name in a similar way. 

It at least appears to me the scripture was interpreted in such a way as to place a curse on anyone who accidentally removes God's name. Therefore they will not spell His name completely, even in a reference way for fear of accidentally erasing it and being blamed in some way.

So if a handyman is working in a church on a stepladder and his ladder begins to topple and he grabs the first thing he can to support himself. It had better not be anything with the name of God on it, because if that name is somehow damaged or accidentally erased, he could be in for a heap of trouble with God. That is, if he didn't die falling off the ladder.

I will need to go back an look at it again to make sure that's the idea behind it.

Edited August 17, 2022 by Starise

[Your closest friendnt]

19 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

Him isnt His name either. But we capitalize it out of respect. G-d is done also out of respect. Isnt that enough of a reason?

I was addressing a poster whose culture does the spelling in this way, and the only think I had in mind it is what Paul said: that if you are with people who eat vegetables then eat their vegetables...I did not start a new thing...I also type God a few times for that reason, doing it for the other poster. 

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

21 hours ago, Slibhin said:

I assume someone I blocked asked why we spell G-d.

Deuteronomy 12: 3 - 4

3 And you shall tear down their altars, smash their monuments, burn their asherim with fire, cut down the graven images of their gods, and destroy their name from that place. 

4 You shall not do so to the Lord, your God.

It is considered a sign of disrespect as well as a violation of the above commandment to destroy any of G-d's names. Anytime we write one of his names on a medium where it is likely to be erased or destroyed we hyphenate it. Some Jews will also substitute by saying "Hashem" which is not holy. 

Now you have the answer to your question.

It looks like the verse you quoted is about destroying " false " God's, which I believe is commanded by God. Also, it seems a bit of a stretch to suggest that destroying the word God on a piece of paper is a violation of the command you mention. Do you really believe that God is THAT petty? The God I read about in scripture is loving and slow to anger and abounding in mercy. He's not petty and looking for reasons to punish people. 

[Your closest friendnt]

21 hours ago, Slibhin said:

Thank you for the enlarge photo, I did not take a close look before. It was right there infront of me, wondering why I was not curious to take a closer look.

And that does not surprise me now that I think of it, because I have learn that it is not about the poster or my self, and that also it matters but not so much as to take the attention from the post and the issues at hand, and that also must be necessary to do but for a brief period of time...and then back to the post...

Now that you open my eyes in this matter I need to remember that, but if I am careful to write in away that is not gender focus I will stay away from the same thing to happen again. I did not know, and never before had looked at your profile, and I  am using an iPhone...and I am 74years old, and I live in Canada, in Toronto. In the Lawrence-Bathurst district. And I was born to no English speaking parents in a country friendly to Israel and not far away from Israel and that is not Cyprus. So there you are, it was not what at the beginning you thought about but just something out of my ignorance in this matter, going ahead and speaking without first making a proper research in that sensitive matter. 

[Starise]

1 hour ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said:

It looks like the verse you quoted is about destroying " false " God's, which I believe is commanded by God. Also, it seems a bit of a stretch to suggest that destroying the word God on a piece of paper is a violation of the command you mention. Do you really believe that God is THAT petty? The God I read about in scripture is loving and slow to anger and abounding in mercy. He's not petty and looking for reasons to punish people. 

This is the kind of thing that has been perpetuated. Rules and regulations they think make them holy. This is only one of many examples. While I respect all peoples, I will not cater to, grovel, pacify or otherwise support in any way a belief or behavior that veers away from Jesus Christ as the messiah. Some things are not so written in stone. It might seem an innocent thing to change a spelling for the name of God and maybe it is, however it is the mindset behind it that is very concerning. A belief system based on the favor of God that uses rules as a gauge for approval. The rules of course, are set by a religious supposedly holy man who gets to decide what is holy and what isn't. On the surface Judaism looks sort of "Christian like". But Christians know Jesus was the messiah and religious Jews deny him. I would call that about the widest divide possible.

I posted Matthew 23 as an example of what Jesus said to the religious Jews who really haven't changed over the centuries. I can almost feel the frustration in Jesus voice when I read that chapter. Do we as believers feel any of it as well? Or do we fall on the side of making peace possibly at the expense of truth? I say do whatever your conscience leads you to do. 

I fully understand many here have a burden for the religious Jews. I do as well, but remember we don't do the saving. Jesus does that. Trying to 'save' one of them in our own strength probably never gets us anywhere. Apparently they resent it when people try to reason with some of them, so what options are left?

You either literally interpret Isaiah 53 or you don't. Are there two interpretations here? I think not. Anything else is an exercise in denial calisthenics.

 

[Starise]

She just made my point in spades heh heh heh.

 

[JohnR7]

22 hours ago, Starise said:

So if a handyman is working in a church on a stepladder and his ladder begins to topple and he grabs the first thing he can to support himself.

If I fall off a ladder everything is in slow motion and I have all the time I need. I usually land on my feet. Even once my son was under the ladder. I kicked the ladder with my foot and I landed on one side of him and the ladder on the other. We are very fortune he did not get hurt.