God is not a laundry service that wash your sins in two hours and then you become clean and fragrant.

[R. Hartono]

Luke 13:5 ...unless you repent you shall all perish.

There's a song singing "Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?". But thats just a myth.

God is not a laundry service that clean your sins with the blood of the Lamb. And then you claim to be holy after singing that song.

Unless we repent how can mankind become such holy ? And repentance means a lifetime obedience.

GALL is found in every human even angels (Greed, Arrogancy, Loathe, Lust). Something may stir it then....bang you Christians sin again. What holiness you try to claim ?

No angels or God banging your head on the wall when you open porns, or smoke, or drink or curse or steal or lie. 

To be called to be choosen and to be faithful, or to sin, its our hearts that choose. 

Some angels in heaven rebelled, they want to remove God and rule heaven. God gives them freedom, to follow their GALL or to be obedient.

Greed : the devil wanted to rule heaven and universe.

Arrogancy : the devil think its smarter then God.

Loathe : the devil wanted to banish God by all means.

Lust : even angels copulated with women of mankind and produced Giants. 

Those rebellious angels thought by combining their power they can smack God down from His throne. They bite their fingers.

Its our hearts decision to guard our heart against our GALL. Its not God's decision. Isnt it ? 

No saints are holy until they reach the finish line and receive the Crown of Life.

Edited September 13, 2022 by R. Hartono

[Who me]

1 hour ago, R. Hartono said:

There's a song singing "Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?". But thats just a myth.

Actually  it is taken from a number of biblical images of God's people being washed clean.

 

Yes salvation is far more than our sins being forgiven.

It starts, as far as we are concerned with our repentance. 

This is a biblical premise  that forgiveness  by God or by us Always starts with repentance.

 

[missmuffet]

What does it mean that the believers will overcome by the blood of the Lamb (Revelation 12:11)?

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ANSWER

Revelation 12:10 calls Satan the “accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night.” The context of the verse describes a cosmic battle between a great red dragon (identified as Satan in Revelation 12:7) and the angelic hosts of heaven. The dragon is hurled to the earth (Revelation 12:9), the authority of the Messiah is locked in place (verse 10), and the believers are victorious:
 

“And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death” (Revelation 12:11, NKJV).

During the tribulation of the end times, Satan’s wrath against God’s’ people, especially Israel (the “woman” of Revelation 12) will intensify. But the believers are promised to overcome. Dr. Charles Ryrie comments on Revelation 12:11: “The believer’s defense against Satan is (1) to bank on the merits of the death of Christ, (2) to be active in witnessing, and (3) to be willing to make any sacrifice, including death” (The Ryrie Study Bible, Moody Press, 1978, p. 1,801).

Down through the centuries, the “great dragon” Satan has despised the mercy, love, grace, and forgiveness that God pours out on believers in Jesus Christ. With relentless, evil determination, the devil hounds us, fixated on destroying our walk with God and chasing us back into a spiritual prison. But, day by day, night by night, believers always overcome him “by the blood of the Lamb” (Revelation 12:11).

Satan’s tireless goal in the life of every Christian is to prevent, disrupt, and cut off his or her relationship with God. He “prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour” (1 Peter 5:8). But the devil’s only real power over believers is to throw our sins and transgressions in our faces. He is the accuser. Thankfully, the sacrifice of Christ has effectively dealt with the problem. It is the blood of Jesus Christ—the blood of the Lamb—that redeems people, setting them free from slavery to sin and Satan’s control.

Scripture gives us vivid pictures of Christ’s redemptive work on the cross. Peter explains that “God paid a ransom” to save us from our old empty way of life. “And it was not paid with mere gold or silver, which lose their value. It was the precious blood of Christ, the sinless, spotless Lamb of God” (1 Peter 1:18–19, NLT). The tribulation saints will have “washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb” (Revelation 7:14). When Jesus Christ died, His precious blood “purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation” (Revelation 5:9). Jesus’ blood was poured out “for the forgiveness of sins” (Matthew 26:28), and it “purifies us from all sin” (1 John 1:7).

Satan tries to condemn us, but we overcome by the blood of the Lamb. “There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death” (Romans 8:1–2). Jesus freed us from the spiritual chains of sin (John 8:35–36; Romans 6:17–22).

The next time Satan tries to hurl past failures in your face, remember that “God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned” (John 3:17–18).

All believers—past, present and future—overcome the accuser by the blood of the Lamb. Jesus Christ’s death is the definitive basis for our victory over the enemy of our souls. The apostle Paul asks, “Who dares accuse us whom God has chosen for his own? No one—for God himself has given us right standing with himself. Who then will condemn us? No one—for Christ Jesus died for us and was raised to life for us, and he is sitting in the place of honor at God’s right hand, pleading for us” (Romans 8:33–34, NLT). Despite everything in the devil’s arsenal that he can throw at us, “in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us” (Romans 8:37).

Paul tells the Colossians, “For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead. You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross. In this way, he disarmed the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross. So don’t let anyone condemn you” (Colossians 2:12–16, NLT).

We must not allow the devil to deceive us with lies and accusations. Every charge he can bring against us is canceled, nailed to the cross, and overcome by the blood of the Lamb. It may seem strange that, in Revelation 12, a raging dragon is overcome by a slain lamb. Lambs are not usually seen as dragon-slayers. But such is the power and efficacy of the death of Christ. Because of Christ’s shed blood on the cross, sin has lost its grip on us. Whenever Satan accuses us, we can sing, “My chains are gone; I’ve been set free.”

Edited August 28, 2022 by missmuffet

[Marathoner]

First, no one in Jesus Christ justifies themselves, @R. Hartono. God Himself justifies us. 

Who will bring charges against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies; who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, but rather, was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us. (Romans 8:33-34 NASB)

Secondly, being washed clean by the blood of Jesus Christ isn't a myth. It's scriptural truth:

If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. (1 John 1:6-7 NASB)

His blood cleanses us from all sin.  

[R. Hartono]

21 hours ago, Who me said:

Yes salvation is far more than our sins being forgiven.

It starts, as far as we are concerned with our repentance. 

This is a biblical premise  that forgiveness  by God or by us Always starts with repentance.

 

 Very true bro.

Nobody was created sinless and no one become literally holy when they accept the sacrifice of Jesus as redemption for sins. People still have a long way to the finish line and they still have to resist their GALL, Greed Arrogancy Loathe and Lust are not simply disappear when they repented. We struggle against our GREED until now.

@missmuffet 

@Marathoner

 

 

[Wayne222]

The blood of Christ does cleanses is if we sin. Not only when we were first saved. Repentance is a daily task. We are told to put on the new man. We have to daily. We put it on. Like our coat. If we sin we have to repent. It's like if we fall in the mud would we go home and get into bed to sleep without washing the mud off ? Never would we. So if we commit sin we confess it and turn away from it. And walk in righteousness. 

[chesed]

1 Jesus, thy blood and righteousness
my beauty are, my glorious dress;
mid flaming worlds, in these arrayed,
with joy shall I lift up my head.

2 Bold shall I stand in that great day;
who can a word against me say?
Fully absolved through these I am
from sin and fear, from guilt and shame.

3 Lord, I believe your precious blood,
which at the very throne of God
pleads for the captives' liberty,
was also shed in love for me.

4 Lord, I believe, were sinners more
than sands upon the ocean shore,
you have for all a ransom paid,
for all a full atonement made.

5 When from the dust of death I rise
to claim my mansion in the skies,
this then shall be all my only plea:
Jesus has lived and died for me.

6 Jesus, be worshiped endlessly!
Your boundless mercy has for me,
for me and all your hands have made,
an everlasting ransom paid.

7 O let the dead now hear thy voice;
Now bid thy banished ones rejoice;
Their beauty this, their glorious dress,
Jesus, thy blood and righteousness.

Nicolaus L. von Zinzendorf (1700-1760)
Translated by John Wesley (1703-1791)

 

 

[Sower]

On 8/28/2022 at 1:24 AM, R. Hartono said:

God is not a laundry service that clean your sins with the blood of the Lamb. And then you claim to be holy.

Actually, the bible says all my sins are already covered by the blood of my savior.

It also says; "If I confess my sins, he is faithful and just to forgive me my  sins and to cleanse me from all unrighteousness"
Instantly, he washes me of all unrighteousness. God is light, his promises are true, Hartono.
This is not a salvation issue, but a relationship promise. Work out your own salvation.With fear and trembling.
for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.  Philippians 2:12-13

 

[Willa]

We were all a part of Satan's kingdom.  When we repented and turned to God, realizing that we couldn't be God pleasing in our own strength but need His help,  God applied Christ's righteousness on our accounts and placed our sinfulness on Christ's account. He died because of our sin.  

2Co 5:21  For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Rom 4:22  That is why his (Abraham's)faith was "counted to him as righteousness."Rom 4:23  But the words "it was counted to him" were not written for his (Abraham's) sake alone,  Rom 4:24  but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in Him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord,  Rom 4:25  Who was delivered up for our trespasses and raised for our justification.

 He paid for us with His blood.  That is called redemption.  Christ bought us back from satan.  He purchased us with His blood.  We are now in God's kingdom, not satan's;  God owns us now.

Rom 4:5  And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,https://www.blueletterbible.org/assets/images/copyChkboxOff.gif

Rom 5 :9  Therefore, since we are now justified (acquitted, made righteous, and brought into right relationship with God) by Christ's blood, how much more [certain is it that] we shall be saved by Him from the indignation and wrath of God.

1Pe 1:18 knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers 1Pe 1:19  but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.

 Rev 5:9. And they sang a new song, saying:
“You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,

We are not saved by being good.  Our salvation is a free gift from God while we were still filthy in sin.  He conferred Christ's righteousness on us and Christ took our sinfulness to the cross.  

Yes we still must die daily, putting to death the old man with his sinful inclination, and put on Christ and walk in His righteousness.  So we focus on spreading God's love and forgiveness and on serving others. When we fall we confess it to God, trust Him to clean us up, and continue to follow Christ.  

If we listen to satan's condemnation or condemn ourselves we quench the Holy Spirit and don't accept God's forgiveness.  That is what hinders our walk.  We hurt ourselves and sometimes others when we fall, but we need to confess our sin to God and to anyone else involved, and the get back to walking with Him.

 

 

[Selah7]

7 hours ago, Wayne222 said:

The blood of Christ does cleanses is if we sin. Not only when we were first saved. Repentance is a daily task. We are told to put on the new man. We have to daily. We put it on. Like our coat. If we sin we have to repent. It's like if we fall in the mud would we go home and get into bed to sleep without washing the mud off ? Never would we. So if we commit sin we confess it and turn away from it. And walk in righteousness. 

Amen, Wayne; thank you.  A truly sincere, repentant, and tearful confession is evident when David prays:

To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David when Nathan the prophet went to him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba. Have mercy upon me, O God, According to Your lovingkindness; According to the multitude of Your tender mercies, Blot out my transgressions. Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity, And cleanse me from my sin. For I acknowledge my transgressions, And my sin is always before me. Against You, You only, have I sinned, And done this evil in Your sight—That You may be found just when You speak, And blameless when You judge. Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me. Behold, You desire truth in the inward parts, And in the hidden part You will make me to know wisdom. Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean; Wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. Make me hear joy and gladness, That the bones You have broken may rejoice. Hide Your face from my sins, And blot out all my iniquities. Create in me a clean heart, O God, And renew a steadfast spirit within me. Do not cast me away from Your presence, And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me. Restore to me the joy of Your salvation, And uphold me by Your generous Spirit. Then I will teach transgressors Your ways, And sinners shall be converted to You. Deliver me from the guilt of bloodshed, O God, The God of my salvation, And my tongue shall sing aloud of Your righteousness. O Lord, open my lips, And my mouth shall show forth Your praise. For You do not desire sacrifice, or else I would give it; You do not delight in burnt offering. The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit, A broken and a contrite heart—These, O God, You will not despise.

- Psalm 51:1-17  

Selah