God is not a laundry service that wash your sins in two hours and then you become clean and fragrant.

[R. Hartono]

9 hours ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

My sins have been forgiven, they are hidden in Christ, I knew that from day one, when I was birthed in the Spirit, “ Spirit gives birth to spirit “..we still sin of course, we are still in the flesh,..a born again doesn’t choose to sin, plenty of scripture on it, 

If one doesn’t know that their sins have been forgiven by God, when we were birthed in the Spirit, then personally I would be somewhat concerned.... 🙏

A born again has been birthed in the Spirit, the Holy Spirit indwells our spirit, we are being made into the image of Christ, we were chosen for his purpose and his plan..surely you must know that?

 

He saved us and called us to a Holy Life..as per scripture I posted.

A born again knows 100% that they have been birthed in the Spirit, as God testifies to their spirit that they are his child,as he’s indwelling them...my belief and biblical.

Once we are birthed we are then saved from damnation...only God can birth you in the Spirit, it’s a living birth, the Holy Spirit is Alive, he’s not a doctrine.

1 John.9

No- one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him, he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.

This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are.

Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God, nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

 

Gods Spirit indwells our spirit permanently..never ever to leave, it’s called the rebirth/ regenerated/ Spirit gives birth to spirit/ born again...we are children of the most High!

You didnt answer my question.

[kwikphilly]

2 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

It is well established that smoking cause cancer. If you smoke, if you drink to excess, if you eat the wrong foods, that is a choice to be sick. 

My wife comes from extreme poverty in the Philippines. Her parents made a lot of sacrifice to get a good education. Then she left her family and friends to move to Hong Kong to get a better paying job compared to what was available in her country. 

Perhaps my son is the one to talk to. He put a lot of work and effort into getting a degree in Computer Engineering. He has NO sympathy for his fellow students who squandered their opportunity and complain about ending up working for McDonalds. Everyone had all the same opportunities. 

This is the land of opportunity, compared to a third world nation where opportunity is few and far inbetween. The same with my father. He had no money, yet he worked hard - earned scholarships and became a medical doctor. 

People live in poverty because they have a poverty mentality. They get sick because they bring the sickness on themselves. Not that it matters because no matter what happens to us in life: God has a plan for us to prosper and enjoy good health. All things work together for the good of those that love God and are called according to His purpose. 

David clearly tells us that God writes the book of our life at or before conception. We need to become the person God declares us to be. I have seen to many people healed to believe that is God's plan and purpose for us to be sick. God is life and heath and healing. He wants the very best for us. 

This is always the first step to healing is to overcome your negative thinking that accepts the sickness even though that is not God's plan and purpose for us. 

The rain falls on the just and the unjust,it's just life Brother.My dear grandmother never smoked,ate well & was an active person- she did not choose that her cells mutate & become cancerous,my Mom , her brother & sisters never chose to live in poverty ,be beaten,abused & then later abandoned & left to fend for themselves- no they did not even choose to be born to such awful parents

Adam & Even made a terrible choice and that is why we live in this fallen,decaying,dying world full of disease,sin & that rain that falls upon - even the young & the innocents

You see,we are not in control of everything- if we were then no one would be sick,have congenital defects,hunger or thirst..... Do you really think the people in countries that have no access to fresh water choose to die of thirst- or people who starve to death- America is not the only Country on the planet & even though it is a land of great opportunity some don't have the opportunity to better themselves ( according to who's standards btw?)

I've met some very poor,uneducated folks in my day ( Born Again Believers) that were some of the greatest witnesses that walked their Faith &  were more " prosperous" that I could ever hope to be.....they lived day to day,meal to meal Praising God that He Provides all they need,all the time & they were full of unspeakable Joy....

Listen to the Testimony of Nick Vujicuc sometime,he has no arms & no legs and does not think he has anything to complain about.... He is a man of God,Blessed & Highly Favored.He used to keep a pair of shoes in his closet for the day he woke up with legs because he thought like you( I think?maybe I'm being presumptuous) Then he came to realize he is exactly how he is supposed to be- he is not disabled,he is a Living Testimony!!!!

Anyway,I'm not in disagreement with you regarding people that do accept what they needn't accept - like a bad diagnosis but I assure you,we all have a time to be born & a time to die- if it's by disease or hit by a train or a heart attack it's not in our control,it is what God Allows for His Purpose.I was handed a fatal prognosis & Healed,I'm on a 4th go round and waiting to be Healed ..... We shall see what God Has for me,either way " I win"❤️

With love in Christ, Kwik

 

 

Edited September 9, 2022 by kwikphilly

[kwikphilly]

29 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

You didnt answer my question.

She did Brother...she said" we still sin of course,we are still in the flesh...."

No one is saying they sin no more after " poof" Born Again,New Creature in Christ!

What we are saying & what is simply AMAZING( yep,Amazing Grace) is that we ARE Forgiven,despite our carnality & transgression...

There is nothing we do to deserve God's Grace & nothing we don't do that changes the fact we are Forgiven.... We cannot undo how God Sees us,He Sees all of our life from beginning to end( He is Eternal)- like Starise mentioned his pastor said" past ,present & future sins are Forgiven"

Only we are living in this Temporal State,as we do fall from time to time we can easily stay stuck in guilt over it.... We just have to not repeat,it's a process of recognize,remorse,repent & Rejoice because we are Forgiven

Now Starise brought up a very good point regarding willfully sinning.... But again,his spirit is grumbling & groaning..... The flesh is bound,the enemy cannot touch his spirit ! God Will remove that taste for whatever it is the flesh desires by Renewing the mind to the Mind of Christ---- it's a process,we all are a work in progress ❤️

[Marathoner]

We are thankful for what the Lord gives to us, remembering that whatever befalls us is according to the will and purpose of God. 

I never asked the Lord to heal me of a single thing. I didn't ask Him for a home; I didn't ask Him for a family, and I didn't ask Him to make me wealthy (or poor). Here's what I asked of the Lord:

"Lord, tell me what it is I must do. Serving You is the greatest honor a man could ever aspire to in this life, and You have blessed me beyond measure. You have revealed Yourself to me!"

I was poor, and I didn't worry about the next meal. I was alone, but I wasn't lonely. I was afflicted but not forgotten, and I waited upon the Lord alone. I trust Him even though He slays me.

I asked Him for nothing except death so when He raised me up from ruin, I was speechless. I was destitute so when He gave me an income, I was astonished. I wandered without a home for 20 years so when my Lord gave me a house and said, It is yours, I wept. I was an outcast and outsider for all of my days until the Lord declared, Behold, you have more mothers, brothers, and sisters than you can number. I was stunned.

The Lord straightened my spine, correcting a deformity I was born with.

The Lord restored my eyesight and the muscles in my legs which atrophied from muscular dystrophy, something else I was born with. Muscular dystrophy was the cause of both.

The Lord did all of these things according to His good pleasure, but I'll tell you the truth: I could still be destitute, homeless, and afflicted and still sing praises to His name. The greatest gift my Lord Jesus Christ gave to me is Himself. I am more than content... He has blessed me beyond measure!

Edited September 9, 2022 by Marathoner

[JohnR7]

1 hour ago, kwikphilly said:

she did not choose that her cells mutate & become cancerous

According to the Law of Attraction, people: she did. I respect that you do not agree with me.  ESP in consideration that there is weak scientific evidence that our thinking controls our health as much as it does. 

[JohnR7]

7 hours ago, Dan Knight said:

Jesus said that the man who beat on his chest in frustration of.his sinful life is better off than the guy who said " at least I ain't as bad as that guy."

Yes, exactly, and I think about this often. None of us are worthy. All praise, honor and glory goes to the power of the grace of God working in us. 

[JohnR7]

3 hours ago, ayin jade said:

Those born with a genetic defect do not choose to be sick or have cancer.

This was the responsibility of the parents.  I do respect as a pediatrician my dad did not burden parents with guilt over the sickness of their children.  Some of the worst grief I felt was over my failure as a parent in regard to my son. God collects every one of the tears I shed for him, and they are more powerful than we can imagine. 

A lot of this has to do with the expression of the DNA. The timing for the on off switches. This gets pretty complicated. 

We know that there is an issue with children born to alcoholics and drug addicts. There does seem to be a factor that mothers need to take good care of themselves if they want to have a healthy baby. People are very quick to tell the expecting mother that she has to go to the doctor and take good care of herself IF she wants a healthy baby. 

[JohnR7]

2 hours ago, kwikphilly said:

You see,we are not in control of everything

God is in control of everything, and we are to trust in Him. We are to love God with all of our heart, mind, soul and strength. 

[Marathoner]

Parents are not responsible for the genes they pass on to their children.

My late mother was not responsible for the chain repeating error of the PABN1 gene that is responsible for the muscular dystrophy which affects me, affected her, afflicted her father, and so on. 

Parents are not responsible for errors in replication that result in Trisomy 21, which is called Down Syndrome. 

The man born blind from the 9th chapter of John is the definitive refutation of those who ascribe inherited disease to sin on the part of the afflicted or their parents.

The 18th chapter of Ezekiel (specifically, Ezekiel 18:20) declares the word of the Lord regarding sin. The son is not punished for the sin of his father, and the father is not punished for the sin of his son. 

Edited September 10, 2022 by Marathoner
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[Your closest friendnt]

10 hours ago, Marathoner said:

Parents are not responsible for the genes they pass on to their children.

My late mother was not responsible for the chain repeating error of the PABN1 gene that is responsible for the muscular dystrophy which affects me, affected her, afflicted her father, and so on. 

Parents are not responsible for errors in replication that result in Trisomy 21, which is called Down Syndrome. 

The man born blind from the 9th chapter of John is the definitive refutation of those who ascribe inherited disease to sin on the part of the afflicted or their parents.

The 18th chapter of Ezekiel (specifically, Ezekiel 18:20) declares the word of the Lord regarding sin. The son is not punished for the sin of his father, and the father is not punished for the sin of his son. 

Ezekiel announce or proclaimed a change that still to come, that it has not come yet at his time, but at some time in the future it will come...

We need to stretch that the article of the Law that governs what it was in force at the time Ezekiel proclaimed that it was codified in the Law God gave to the people Israel in the dessert of Sinai...

This article of Law it was put in the Law by an agreement between the people of Israel and the Lord God Almighty and it was announce to the people and the people agree to that, to apply to them and to their children.

This is the principle of it, neither the Lord Nor the people can bring a change to that, as the Law including this article was established by the shedding of blood...

To make it simple the Lord could not change, or amend  this article with his own  unilateral desition, and not even with the consent of the people because the Covenant was established with the shedding of blood, and that act has taken place and cannot change...

It can only happens with the end of the Law and with the beginning of a New Law...

So the words of the Prophet with that statement announced one of the terms in the Covenant that was coming to people...but that cannot happen unless the existing Covenant stopped being in effect and the only way that could happen it is with the death of either one of the parties to the Covenant..because the Covenant was between the two Parties, the Israelites and the Lord God Almighty...

So as many other promises came there after, that the Messiah will come from the people of Israel, and he will bring with him a New Law as he was established as a Lawgiver and as a King...the people of Israel they will continue and they will not come to distinction, hypothetically if that happens as they are one of the parties to the Covenant the Covenant cannot be apply to anyone, as none of the heirs will be left alive, besides that the scriptures declares that the people will be asked to follow the one to come as it was foretold my Moses ...more than once and subsequently by other prophets....

Then the only way for the Law to be set aside and to make it possible for the NEW COVENANT , or the NEW LAW, which the Messiah will bring to people, this time the Messiah will bring to people..it will not be an agreement between the people and the Messiah as it was the Covenant of Sinai,  an agreement between the Israelites and the Lord God Almighty...

The only way the Sinai Covenant to be nullified is left to be and make that possible by the death of the other party, by the death of the enforcer of the Covenant of Sinai...and as this could not happen as the Lord God Almighty did not have flesh and blood, it could only happen when the Lord obey the Father to be born in Bethlehem from Mary his mother...

They Leaders of the people did not know that they had put to death the other party to the Sinai Covenant...

That's how when the Sinai Covenant was stopped being in effect when the Leaders put to death the Lord God Almighty in the flesh, when they crucified Jesus on the Cross and they caused the shedding of the blood of the New Covenant, Jesus the Messiah brought to the whole world, the forgiveness of sins in his blood..

 

Edited September 10, 2022 by Your closest friendnt