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[com7fy8]

15 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

To understand better the suggestion you are implying that Paul said that he and all the other disciples when they died and Paul himself also will be together with the dead in Christ...is it not?

And all the other believers of Jesus who were devour by the Lions and those who were burned and those who were left unburied and were eaten by the birds and the wild beast and those eaten by the sharks they all will be found in the group of the dead in Christ... so Jesus Christ is alone in Heaven...what a lonely King...

Jesus is not lonely, in any case. Among other things, after all, Jesus does say, "I am with you always, even to the end of the age," in Matthew 28:20.

Rising means in their resurrection bodies. 

But now they can be spirits present with Jesus, though they have not risen in their bodies.

I note how in Revelation there are "under the altar the souls of them who were slain for the word of God and for the testimony that they held." > in Revelation 6:9-11 > they talk and are told to rest.

So, yes, if children of God have died, they "sleep in Jesus" (in 1 Thessalonians 4:14), as our Apostle Paul says. But sleep can be an image, coming from how a dead body can look asleep. But spiritually they are not limited to their dead bodies. 

And there are a lot of things you can do while you are asleep . . . in your dreams . . . even while walking in your sleep 

[Your closest friendnt]

4 minutes ago, com7fy8 said:

Jesus is not lonely, in any case. Among other things, after all, Jesus does say, "I am with you always, even to the end of the age," in Matthew 28:20.

Rising means in their resurrection bodies. 

But now they can be spirits present with Jesus, though they have not risen in their bodies.

I note how in Revelation there are "under the altar the souls of them who were slain for the word of God and for the testimony that they held." > in Revelation 6:9-11 > they talk and are told to rest.

So, yes, if children of God have died, they "sleep in Jesus" (in 1 Thessalonians 4:14), as our Apostle Paul says. But sleep can be an image, coming from how a dead body can look asleep. But spiritually they are not limited to their dead bodies. 

And there are a lot of things you can do while you are asleep . . . in your dreams . . . even while walking in your sleep 

Paul said they sleep in Jesus? And he was looking forwards to sleep in Jesus..

Jesus instead of saying Lasarus is dead...he said it in a figuratively way.. instead of saying he is dead...

When his disciples did not understand him then Jesus put the record strait and he told them that Lasarus is dead...and his disciples did not argue with him, that he is not dead and that he is sleeping as many are doing these days...

[com7fy8]

12 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

he told them that Lasarus is dead...

Ah-hah!

Yes, they needed to know he was not just asleep. 

But the true meaning of "dead" would be that someone is gone so he or she can not ever return, right?

Being "dead" can mean not conscious in this life. When Jesus was "dead", was He not still alive spiritually??

[Dennis1209]

19 hours ago, Starise said:

Yes lots of people believe this. No this never had a plausible explanation, and in order to explain it we essentially need two resurrections for believers. One immediately at death where a 'soul' goes to heaven while the body still lays in the grave and the second resurrection of the new bodies of these people later on. 

If we were resurrected the first time at death and are in heaven in complete bodies none of the second resurrection would be necessary. Those who hold this view say the 'soul' goes to 'heaven' and then our souls COME BACK to get those old bodies which the Lord remakes into new eternal bodies. 

Probably a more accurate interpretation is, the souls of  saved believers are with the Lord at death in a way and in a state we don't completely understand in a holding pattern until the competed state. This happens when the Lord returns and those old corrupt bodies are raised again into new bodies. It would be much less appealing to say the old bodies AND what we call a soul is at rest until resurrection. Not as appealing but probably closer to accurate. 

Not to confuse the resurrection of believers with the resurrection of the unsaved lost, who as I understand it, won't be revived until at least 1000 years later for judgment. There really are two resurrections. They don't all come forth at the same time. One for the saved and one for the condemned.

The body of a Christian that was "sown in corruption" will be raised new. I don't see a conflict here. God has decided to use the old bodies to remake the new ones. It is a mystery. We are NOT to be in corruption, however we will all be sown in corruption if we die before the Lord returns. We don't exist in corruption. When we exist again we will have perfect bodies. Jesus described Lazarus as sleeping.

 

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Much to ponder, digest, and discuss well above my pay grade. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord if one is saved. Where is Jesus right now, at the right hand of the Father.

In Revelation, martyred souls are under the altar, asking how long. I understand that souls and spirits have a form. Our physical bodies enable us to be animate, giving us mobility and interaction in the 3-D world we were created to operate.

Using the rich man in Hades as an example, he had all his physical senses and emotions. He will not be bodily resurrected until the Great White Throne judgment. Those souls under the alter also have their senses and emotions, agreed?

In the OT, Hades seems to have two compartments, Abraham’s bosom, and torment. Both were confinement and isolation to a particular prescribed area, and in all three examples, they are or seem to be confinement.

Here’s my question for “the answer, man?”  😊

Spirits and souls are ethereal, with no means for animation of movement or physically interacting. Can our souls | and spirits relocate and move at will and interact in a physical sense? Why do we look forward to glorified bodies if these souls are animate and can move and do things?

A dumb mind like mine is a terrible thing to waste.

[Your closest friendnt]

23 minutes ago, com7fy8 said:

Ah-hah!

Yes, they needed to know he was not just asleep. 

But the true meaning of "dead" would be that someone is gone so he or she can not ever return, right?

Being "dead" can mean not conscious in this life. When Jesus was "dead", was He not still alive spiritually??

I like your questions your questions they are questions with substance attempting to sort things out.

The Israelites or the Jews or the descendants of Abraham were separated into main groups not all of them believe in the resurrection as they had perceived it...

One group did not believe in life after death....they believe only in this life and that God it was only for this Life if they were not atheist altogether...

Those who believe in life after death they believe that their Inheritance was to be with Abraham, because Abraham was their Father and they were his children...so at their death Abraham receives his children in his Bossom, in the place where God had given to Abraham for his Inheritance after death waiting for the Messiah...so they all including Abraham can be in the Messiah of God...

From being in Abraham they will then be in the Messiah including Abraham and his children who were with him...

They also were others who may have had other variations of beliefs some believing in Life after death with no chance of a life with God...

[Your closest friendnt]

@com7fy8

Interesting questions...

I am not sure if you understand the division between Abraham  and his chosen seed as in Issac and Jacob and all the household of Jacob and the rest of the world which they were called the "Gentiles"...

***The Lord God Almighty had made a Covenant with Abraham that he will be only his God and the God of his children ... he excluded the rest of the world at that time as he had excluded the other children of Abraham and the Esau the elder of the tweens of Issac and Rebekah...

Because God had a plan from before the foundation of the world to includ them in Jesus Christ...

In the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world concluding their sins...the sins of the whole world...of everyone who ever lived....

As you brought it up earlier that as the children of Abraham were gathered to him after their death to be with their Patriarch into his Bossom, a uniqueness that they had a place only for them selves after their death and they were separated from the dead of the rest of the world...

And so is with Jesus Christ when his children die they are gathered to their Father and Patriarch Jesus Christ and where Jesus is that's where they will be or they will go at the time of their death...

 

[DeighAnn]

50 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

Spirits and souls are ethereal, with no means for animation of movement or physically interacting. Can our souls | and spirits relocate and move at will and interact in a physical sense? Why do we look forward to glorified bodies if these souls are animate and can move and do things?

Have you read anything about those in heaven that made you think the souls didn't have bodies,  and if so what was it?

Have you read anything about those in heaven that made you think the souls had a body?  

Now, compare your lists. 

WHAT does the preponderance of the evidence,  USING only GODS WORDS, PERSUADE you to believe?  



 

[Dan Knight]

1 hour ago, com7fy8 said:

Jesus is not lonely, in any case. Among other things, after all, Jesus does say, "I am with you always, even to the end of the age," in Matthew 28:20.

Rising means in their resurrection bodies. 

But now they can be spirits present with Jesus, though they have not risen in their bodies.

I note how in Revelation there are "under the altar the souls of them who were slain for the word of God and for the testimony that they held." > in Revelation 6:9-11 > they talk and are told to rest.

So, yes, if children of God have died, they "sleep in Jesus" (in 1 Thessalonians 4:14), as our Apostle Paul says. But sleep can be an image, coming from how a dead body can look asleep. But spiritually they are not limited to their dead bodies. 

And there are a lot of things you can do while you are asleep . . . in your dreams . . . even while walking in your sleep 

¹² And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.

¹³ And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,

¹⁴ Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

¹⁵ And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven,

no He is not alone...

nor is He lonely..

Jn 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

[Your closest friendnt]

Just now, Dan Knight said:

¹² And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.

¹³ And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,

¹⁴ Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

¹⁵ And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven,

no He is not alone...

nor is He lonely..

Jn 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

But he must be lonely like a Father who is having other people around him, but he is watching his children being taken away at death instead of being gathered to him..

Abraham was not lonely in this matter because his children were gathered to him and no one can refute that because the Lord God Almighty appeared to them and told them what is to happen to them...that at death will be gathered to Abraham their Patriarch..

[Starise]

11 hours ago, com7fy8 said:

Well, Paul says the dead will rise before the living. And there will be the ones who will have died for Jesus during the great tribulation. So, if they who die in the tribulation will rise first, then there can't be any earlier raising of living saints.

Yes I agree. My point was simply that the dead are raised before the living, whenever that is. 

I don't see an earlier raising of the saints either. My point was that "if" a person is going to believe this there are some loose ends to the theory IMO and why I personally don't share the view.

I personally believe the "whenever" is later on. 

Edited October 6, 2022 by Starise