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[com7fy8]

10 hours ago, Dan Knight said:

Jesus did not defeat the devil at the cross, He defeated the devil before the cross. Luke  4:1-13.

Jesus sole purpose on the cross was to save  mankind. Nothing else.

Well, Jesus did die in order to save us. But Hebrews 2:14-15 says "that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death". Yes, He already defeated Satan, but Jesus did not already destroy him. Defeating and destroying can be different things but not totally separate from one another.

"Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage." (in Hebrews 2:14-15)

So, yes Jesus earlier defeated Satan and He said, "I have overcome the world." (in John 16:33) But His death has been included in the process of destroying Satan and delivering people from the slavery of "fear of death".

Also we have Hebrews 4:15 > 

"For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin." (Hebrews 4:15)

Jesus went through all He did on Calvary, partly in order to experience what we can go through in this life, so now He can feel for us and minister to us the grace which had Him doing so well through it all. 

And Jesus on the cross is our example > 

"And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

His death is our example of how we also need to lay our lives down > 

"By this we know love, because He laid His life down for us. And we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren." (1 John 3:16)

And our Apostle Paul says > 

"For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life." (Romans 5:10)

So, yes Jesus died in order to save us, but Paul says "we shall be saved by His life." We have all that is for us "through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead" (in 1 Peter 1:3). So, I see how His life that will save us comes through the life of His resurrection.

Edited October 7, 2022 by com7fy8

[com7fy8]

10 hours ago, Dan Knight said:

NO,NO,NO. I didn't say why did the Father put Jesus thru more than death on the cross. Re-read what I said. 

God knows that I am innocent of your charge against me.

Well, I do not think I was trying to charge you with anything. You said >

11 hours ago, Dan Knight said:

Also, if death is being separate from God,  and Jesus cried out Father why have you forsaken me,  then the penalty would have been paid in full. So why would the Father put him thru anymore? Why did Jesus have to continue to suffer unto death and burial?

Ok, so you do not say our Father put Jesus through more. But you do ask why Jesus had "to continue to suffer unto death and burial." And to this I said >

10 hours ago, com7fy8 said:

Why did our Father put Jesus through more than the death of the cross? My opinion is that Christ's redemptive work for us was finished . . . on the cross. Jesus obeyed our Father, there, pleasing Him to forgive and reconcile with us, because Jesus was "a sweet-smelling aroma" on Calvary > Ephesians 5:2 > sweetly pleasing through it all ! ! !

And so, what He did on the cross is enough.

But it was also God's plan for Jesus to rise from the dead, including to be witnessed during that. So, Jesus was buried and then in a private place, so He could come out and manage who would witness Him.

In any case, "we have been reconciled to God through the death of His Son", we have in Romans 5:10. And here Paul says "we shall be saved by His life."

10 hours ago, Dan Knight said:

NO,NO,NO. I didn't say why did the Father put Jesus thru more than death on the cross. Re-read what I said. 

God knows that I am innocent of your charge against me. 

I don't think I am charging you with anything. I am simply offering what I have learned. And I can see that I possibly have not become clear on what you mean by certain things. So, I am just offering what I have, so you can compare this with what you know you mean 

[com7fy8]

6 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

I forgot that the body can be dissolved by the acid...and nothing  it's going to be left not even a trace of it, like it never existed...

But the molecules of the dissolved body still do exist.

And the molecules become part of the shark, so they become the shark's body!

And God is able to give the shark-eaten person a resurrection body, in any case  He is not limited by whatever happens to our physical bodies. He can retrieve molecules that were once part of our bodies, or He can simply create what is in our resurrected bodies, I would say.

[Starise]

On 10/6/2022 at 1:01 AM, Your closest friendnt said:

Below is part of the quoted post above third paragraph from the end of the post.

The poster said the following in parenthesis. 

("John is having visions and he sees an altar.") 

This is a poor choice of words...John was not having visions they way all of us are having visions when we are trying to connect things and put them in sequence, visions of our mind...

*** Let's post the scriptures and see how it happens because something is not right in the commentary...

Revelation 6:1

*** John writes: I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, “Come!” ² I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.

I really have no idea what you are flagging here? Most who come here are well aware that the entire book of Revelation is a vision from God to John. I don't believe this is in any way up for questioning. No it wasn't a daydream and I didn't think that had to be mentioned.

[Dennis1209]

9 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

The Seals 1-6 are not the Wrath of God, tribulation yes.  God's Wrath does not happen until the 7th seal is opened.  God's wrath is announced at the end of the 6th seal and just before the 7th seal is opened.

[Rev 6:12-17 KJV] 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

[Joe 2:30-31 KJV] 30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

The 7th seal includes all the Trumpet Judgements and Vials of Wrath. The Seventh Seal is the Great Day of God's Wrath, this happens after the Sun is darkened and the Moon turns to blood which were apart of the 6th seal.

 

 

Yes, that very well could be, as we know several views on this. This book (scroll) and the “seals” certainly do not contain any blessings for the remaining earth-dwellers. The seals are the start of anger dispensed, and anger can be stated as “wrath.” Jesus, Himself is issuing this anger upon the earth.

This scroll is a legal document and can only be opened by someone legally qualified and authorized to open it.

I think this scroll represents God’s perfect plan for the redemption of His creation. The “title deed” to the earth that was usurped from Adam. Perhaps they also contain the seven seal judgments, and I see nothing where it is required to be held inside the tribulation period, either.

During this time, I see the church in heaven, as symbolized by John in Rev. 4:1 being caught up. Before this, the church has been mentioned 19 times. Hereafter the church is not mentioned again until the end of Revelation. I see the 24 elders as representatives of the harpazo.

I suspect the seal judgments could commence between the harpazo and the official start of the seven-year tribulation.

I view Rev. 6:2 as being the Antichrist. He will be known, recognized, and accomplished before his ascension as the global man of sin.

No matter what our eschatology is, who is right, wrong, or indifferent, I'm confident everything is unveiling faster than most realize. 

[Starise]

11 hours ago, Sower said:

Luke 7:28

"For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he"

Question, Starise.
Who are those that are the least in the kingdom of God?
Why are they greater than the greatest prophet born of a women?

Matt. 23:10-12

 10 Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ. 11 The greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

Matt 5:18-20

18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.…

Luke 22:24-30

 

24 Now there was also a dispute among them, as to which of them should be considered the greatest. 25 And He said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them, and those who exercise authority over them are called ‘benefactors.’ 26 But not so among you; on the contrary, he who is greatest among you, let him be as the younger, and he who governs as he who serves. 27 For who is greater, he who sits at the table, or he who serves? Is it not he who sits at the table? Yet I am among you as the One who serves.

28 “But you are those who have continued with Me in My trials. 29 And I bestow upon you a kingdom, just as My Father bestowed one upon Me, 30 that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”

The Jews definitely believed in a hierarchy  with some rabbis seen almost like some view a pope.

Sometimes those in favor of socialism, Marxism or communism will use scriptures in an attempt to confirm that we should all live in the same houses, live the same lifestyles. If we are wealthy we should give all of our extra wealth to others and live like monks. Comment made with some sarcasm, as I really dislike what they are attempting to do to free societies. The problem with those views is they are like pyramid schemes, the man who runs the system is always wealthy and those under him always poor.

And much like the jovial "last" thread here, everyone wants to be first, or in that case last, because last is first...or maybe having the last word is first? I dunno, it gets confusing. 

The disciples were having a disagreement about who would be greatest . They were not kidding because the bible doesn't say that. Grown men having a dispute about who could be head peacock in heaven with Jesus.

Who is least on the kingdom of heaven? I don't believe anyone ever put themselves in the position Jesus did, an eternal God who had no obligation to men, who came to specifically die for men, even what society sees as the lowest of men, take Lazarus for example who would have been seen as a mere beggar trying to live through one more day by many. The kind of person prideful people measure themselves by to think they are somehow better. Jesus HATES pride and all prideful will be brought low. 

Pride thinks it is better, pride looks down on others, pride distances itself and devalues human beings. What if heaven were full of people like this? It would no longer be heaven.

Edited October 7, 2022 by Starise

[Starise]

My view on the end times is it CAN be known to a pretty good extent.  I am not saying that I, at this moment, know all of it.

I am saying it CAN be known enough that we can see the 'birth pangs' of it when it comes.

If we replace scripture with  "he or she thinks this or that" we are getting closer to the answers instead of looking at the differences.

Surely God did not write the bible with the expectation that it would be seen ten different ways?

[Your closest friendnt]

12 hours ago, Sower said:

Luke 7:28

"For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he"

Question, Starise.
Who are those that are the least in the kingdom of God?
Why are they greater than the greatest prophet born of a women?

John the Baptist had one of the most miraculous birth, his birth reminds us of another miraculous birth the birth of Issac...

Both of them they were heirs of a promise..

The promise given to John was that he will see and that he will know and that he will announce to the people who is the promised one from God...John was the chosen one to know that the Messiah will come in his time and that he is that voice in the book of Esaiah who announce his coming...John will know him and will be able to Identify him...

John had the witness of the One who sent him to baptize and he also had the witness of the Heavenly Father at the time of Jesus baptism the voice from Heaven and the witness of the Holy Spirit of the Heavenly Father that was given only to Jesus and identify that only Jesus was from above and not John...

To justify the words of the Heavenly Father that he has only one Son and that Jesus was his only Son and not John.

This is what John said to Jesus: I want what you have, and he said that because he knew what Jesus had something he did not have...and John died knowing about who Jesus was and that he had something to give which he did not have and John died before the Lamb of God was sacrifice for the forgiveness of our sins and the eternal Life that comes with the forgiveness of our sins in the new testament that comes with the Heavenly Inheritance...and the Heavenly Father..

John died in the Covenant of Sinai, the Old Covenant and we who believe in Jesus Christ we died in the new Covenant...

We live and die in Jesus Christ and John lived and die in Abraham.  

What happened after the Cross when Jesus went to where John was with Abraham and John complete his mission by preparing Abraham of Jesus coming to them. And John identify to Abraham that Jesus is the Messiah and Jesus show them the wounds in his hands...

 

[Dan Knight]

1 hour ago, Starise said:

My view on the end times is it CAN be known to a pretty good extent.  I am not saying that I, at this moment, know all of it.

I am saying it CAN be known enough that we can see the 'birth pangs' of it when it comes.

If we replace scripture with  "he or she thinks this or that" we are getting closer to the answers instead of looking at the differences.

Surely God did not write the bible with the expectation that it would be seen ten different ways?

Matt 24:7  (..For nation will rise against nation, . .)

Nation-1484 éthnos (from ethō, "forming a custom, culture") – properly, people joined by practicing similar customs or common culture; 

Usage: a race, people, 

3.race, nation: ἔθνος ἐπί ἔθνος, Matthew 24:7;

speaking of internal problems. Race/ culture wars within a kingdom. Whites against non whites  catholic against Muslim,  American against American.  A coming great divide, such that we cannot stand. 

Matt 24:26- (..but the end is not yet..)

so many in the world are now in the early stages of anxiety/panic. Government heads are throwing around words like holocaust,  end of the world and Armageddon.  Some are threatening to bring these things about, which is funny cause it aint their's to bring about. It is Gods.

Christian Folk have cause to celebrate because,

:8 "All these are the beginning of birth pangs. "

...and we know that...

 

5604 ōdín – properly, the pain of childbirth (travail); (figuratively) the pain necessary to open up (introduce) something new, i.e. to bring in more.

[5604 (ōdín) suggests intense suffering (similar to birth pain) – hence, "to suffer greatly, great pain" (L & N, 1, 24.87) like "a birth-pang, travail-pain; figuratively, extreme suffering" (A-S).]

It is the time that something new will be brought into our lives. 

Rev 21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”^[a] 

 

 

Edited October 7, 2022 by Dan Knight

[Your closest friendnt]

13 hours ago, Sower said:

Luke 7:28

"For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he"

Question, Starise.
Who are those that are the least in the kingdom of God?
Why are they greater than the greatest prophet born of a women?

Jesus mention those who were born from women and he is talking strictly to the Jews at that time as it also to us who are reading the narrative from the bible...

The time Jesus said those things he said it to people who were in the Covenant of Sinai, people not born from above...and John the Son of Zaharias the Priest who baptized Jesus and who at that time had abandoned his Inheritance as the Priest in the Temple which was to do  the offering of the blood of the sacrificial animals in the Temple for the forgiveness of sins...John is found in the desert doing something no Priest has ever done before..

The forgiveness of sins through the baptism of repentance...that was one time baptism...that made people righteous in the eyes of God...without the offering of blood...

Anyway John was not born from above in the name of Jesus Christ on the death of Jesus on the Cross..and he died that way....he was not part of the Kingdom of the born from above while he lived...he enter that Kingdom together with Abraham after he died when Jesus went to them right after his death on the Cross and the scriptures say that they were waiting for him...and were expecting him any time...