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[Your closest friendnt]

16 minutes ago, Space_Karen said:

 

Great earthquake could mean a big natural disaster or perhaps even nuclear war.

Raising large quantities of dust or vog in the atmosphere.

Producing a black sun / red moon effect.

We all know what an earthquake can do and they earthquakes of different strength and we also have volcano eruptions...

In the relevant text as we can see in other parts that say that the stars will turn in to darkness and will stop giving their light and will fall on the earth...

This cannot be literal, the stars are massive, the earth is just a little dot  besides them...and this is the least to consider...

I may say something that sounds symbolic to the scriptures relevant...

The Mediator between God and man, who reflected the light of God during his sojourning he must die..and the old will be put away...

Jesus who reflect the light of God and also the love of God must shed his blood and die..to turn into blood.

 

[Space_Karen]

15 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

In the relevant text as we can see in other parts that say that the stars will turn in to darkness and will stop giving their light and will fall on the earth...

This cannot be literal, the stars are massive, the earth is just a little dot  besides them...and this is the least to consider...

I may say something that sounds symbolic to the scriptures relevant...

The Mediator between God and man, who reflected the light of God during his sojourning he must die..and the old will be put away...

Jesus who reflect the light of God and also the love of God must shed his blood and die..to turn into blood.

 

 

If you look at photographs taken on the moon.

In many of the pictures, stars are not visible.

Stars "falling" to the earth. Shooting stars. Meteorite storm.

Real world application is a good method for putting scripture into context.

[Your closest friendnt]

1 minute ago, Space_Karen said:

 

If you look at photographs taken on the moon.

In many of the pictures, stars are not visible.

Stars "falling" to the earth. Shooting stars. Meteorite storm.

Real world application is a good method for putting scripture into context.

Those stars are falling as we look at them are not falling stars on earth and are not falling stars at all, they are shouting stars ...and they are bright and they have their light... Peter speaks as those things they have taken place...

And in the same passage Peter said that the powers in Heaven have been shaken... one of the key verses is verse 21. 21 And everyone who calls
    on the name of the Lord will be saved..

This verse is the epitome to establish that those things have happened...Peter asked the people to call upon the name of Jesus to stay away from the Old the Temple worshiped...they have forgiveness of sins in the blood of Jesus why would they need Temple worship. 

Acts 2:19 I will show wonders in the heavens above
    and signs on the earth below,
    blood and fire and billows of smoke.
20 The sun will be turned to darkness
    and the moon to blood
    before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
21 And everyone who calls
    on the name of the Lord will be saved.

[JohnR7]

32 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

In the relevant text as we can see in other parts that say that the stars will turn in to darkness and will stop giving their light and will fall on the earth...

This cannot be literal

Everything is literal and symbolic. This just indicates that there will be a volcanic eruption and the sky will be darkened because of that. I had a dream once about the bottomless pit, and I found out it is an inactive volcano. When they talk about a lake of fire that would indicate a volcano also. Only that would be active. 

[Your closest friendnt]

21 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

Everything is literal and symbolic. This just indicates that there will be a volcanic eruption and the sky will be darkened because of that. I had a dream once about the bottomless pit, and I found out it is an inactive volcano. When they talk about a lake of fire that would indicate a volcano also. Only that would be active. 

Your suggestion has stray away from the mark..I need to talk to you like a man...there is nothing about a volcano in the text...and the scripture says the powers were shaken and the stars stopped giving their lights they turned into darkness...the OLD has given way or replace with the New Covenant..

Jesus said the same thing to Nicodemus. 

And because of what had happened not because of what will happen verse 21.And everyone who calls
    on the name of the Lord will be saved. Peter preached that...I am not examining anyone else...everyone can examine himself...with verse. 21 And everyone who calls
    on the name of the Lord will be saved.

Edited October 10, 2022 by Your closest friendnt

[com7fy8]

6 hours ago, Space_Karen said:

 

Great earthquake could mean a big natural disaster or perhaps even nuclear war.

Raising large quantities of dust or vog in the atmosphere.

Producing a black sun / red moon effect.

Hi, Space Karen 

"they will see the Son of Man coming" > in Matthew 24:30.

"He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him" (in Revelation 1:7)

If there is a major nuclear war, volcanic eruption, or both . . . all the dust of that could block people's view of Jesus up above the earth.

Plus, a lot of nuclear contamination could kill many people, if not almost all on this earth. And a major volcanic cloud could block the sun's light so the earth's temperature would get cold enough to kill many people; and food, without sunlight, could not grow. How then could there be enough humans to be "as the sand of the sea" (Revelation 20:8) to fight in the battle of Armageddon?

Edited October 10, 2022 by com7fy8

[JohnR7]

4 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

there is nothing about a volcano in the text

I am just telling you what I saw. Jesus quotes Isaiah. Are you going to try to say that does not exist also?  There is FIRST the literal, then second the symbolic. That is pretty much the first thing they teach in Bible College on how to interpret the Bible. 

Isaiah 66:24
"As they go forth, they will see the corpses of the men who have rebelled against Me; for their worm will never die, their fire will never be quenched, and they will be a horror to all mankind."

If you ignore the literal, then you are going to come up with all sorts of crazy explanations. Like Dante does in his book the Infernal. 

Inferno (Italian: [iɱˈfɛrno]; Italian for "Hell") is the first part of Italian writer Dante Alighieri's 14th-century epic poem Divine Comedy. It is followed by Purgatorio and Paradiso. The Inferno describes Dante's journey through Hell, guided by the ancient Roman poet Virgil. In the poem, Hell is depicted as nine concentric circles of torment located within the Earth; it is the "realm ... of those who have rejected spiritual values by yielding to bestial appetites or violence, or by perverting their human intellect to fraud or malice against their fellow men

[BibleStudent100]

7 hours ago, Space_Karen said:

This scene is not portrayed in The Passion of Christ, King of Kings or any Christ motion picture that I know of.

Should the scene be included in future films depicting Christ's journey?

I would LOVE to see a movie studio film a motion picture that would show fidelity to the life and times of Jesus.  There would be no need for creative license as there is plenty of fodder to make this a wonderful and faith-strengthening movie.  Maybe this will happen one day!

[Starise]

On 10/9/2022 at 4:58 AM, JohannPretorius said:

Is there such a thing as a Rapture @Starise?

Since the term as coined is often associated with what many call a pre-tribulation rapture which is in itself a misnomer because 'tribulation" has been happening for thousands of years to believers.

Instead they are referring to THE tribulation, or a specific time set, seen as 7 years, and although the term rapture is not mentioned in the bible we do have a taking up than can be explained no other way than what it says. The dead in Christ will rise first at the last trump. Those alive and remaining will be raised right after to be with the Lord. I believe we see something similar happening with the two witnesses.

There is a cut off point, a division between the sheep and the goats. It has to happen sometime, so the taking up is that time when the saved go to be with the Lord and those left are in the unfortunate position to be under the Lord's wrath.

Both rapture and tribulation are terms that have been re coined to mean more specific things to most protestants and what some call fundamentalist Christians.  Both terms have become teaching systems with rigid beliefs that are not scripture supported, or one must put a lot of meaning into short passages that could mean other things. I see the doctrine of the rapture as coming from pre tribbers who MUST fit the taking up to happen before the anti christ shows up, the idea really is we are all taken up before anything bad happens, so they put the timing of it WAY early in my opinion.The rapture doctrine teaches it happens BEFORE the anti christ comes to power. Yet the bible clearly says two significant things against this teaching. A. We are taken at the last trump. And B. The man of sin is revealed BEFORE the Lord comes for us.

They attempt to get around all of this by saying the trumpet is another trumpet ( unsupported claim) or that the bible isn't really saying we will be here when the man of sin arrives...or he is already here. The bible seems to say to me this man of sin is publicly revealed, not hidden in secret, so while he may be here, he hasn't been put on display. We may in fact already have the false prophet. There are two individuals involved in end time events. 

So far as the rapture though, I believe the concept is purely biblical, but the teaching that coins the word isn't. We WILL be taken up.

It can't be disputed a time period setting off a series of apocalyptic events WILL happen. The 7 trumpets and the 7 bowls. The tribulation as coined will take place and I bring it up because it figures big into the 'rapture' taught as a doctrine.

Don't get me wrong, I am probably what many call fundamentalist in my beliefs, but I stop at this one associated with them because I can't read my bible and come away with those conclusions. There are events called the 7 trumpets and events called the 7 bowls. The 7 bowls are wrath intended for the unsaved as we will be gone by then, however the 7 trumpets we are in the midst of.

Edited October 10, 2022 by Starise

[Starise]

20 hours ago, Dan Knight said:

? Elaborate please. I assume "we" are Christian Folk.  How do we restrain?

I think he might be getting this from this text-

2 Thessalonians 2: 6-7

6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the [a]mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.

Some Pre trib logic on this says that since we are filled with the Holy Ghost WE are the ones holding the mystery of lawlessness back. This is often used to explain a pre tribulation rapture, even when the wording is more about an individual and it makes a broad assumption that the text is talking about believers. If this were the case, why doesn't the writers say "us" or "we" since he was talking to believers?

I personally don't think we restrain anything. The armor of God relies 100% on faith in what God is doing and will do. Not in us.

Since we are supposed to be light and salt in the earth, we probably have a very positive effect on society, so I'm not saying our presence has zero effect. We probably are helping to add a salve to this horrible place. The ideas placed on this text are however, not relevant to the actual text. GOD is the one who restrains. To restrain something denotes having control or power over it, so God is either allowing another restrainer to restrain or He Himself is restraining. 

Several commentaries explain that they think it is the Roman government, since those being addressed were already familiar with the ideas expressed. The statements could still be relevant to us because the great apostasy is birthed from Rome and the religion coming from it continues to destroy ideas of true Christianity to this very day.