Witnessing to Jewish people

[Anne2]

On 9/25/2022 at 8:11 AM, JohnD said:

If you want a more contemporary answer, the reason is because of the entire history Christianity being anti-Jewish. In fact badly so. I would even say that Christianity has done more harm to Jews and Judaism over it’s history, than Rome ever could have done to Jews.

Add to this that Christians have, in the name of Jesus, falsely killed Jews, during the Crusades, even under the banner of a cross. So claiming that they were cleansing Jerusalem for Jesus was their motto.

Not Just Jews were killed. The original call came from the eastern Churches against Arab invasion. The entire thing got way out of hand, even Christian churches became threatened.

 

On 9/25/2022 at 8:11 AM, JohnD said:

Also, do note that when Christianity is done properly, it actually must undermine Jews. Christianity is by definition, when done properly, racist. It has to consider Gentiles as replacing Jews. So logically that reason alone will make Jews distrust Christians and if they end up believing the lies about Messianic Jews being “Christian” with the history of Christianity I summarized, you can see the reason for the distrust, although those Jews who distrust a Jew like me are confused as I have noted.

Even more contemporary. Nostra aetate. Written by Father David Neuhaus, 2015

Celebrating 60th anniversary. 

An excerpt as follows from this Pastoral letter Celebrating Nostra aetate.

" In 1955, Latin Patriarch Gori promulgated the Statutes of the Work of Saint James. This foundational document defined the goals of our work:

- to develop Catholic communities;

- to ensure among the faithful a solid Christian spirit sensitive to “the mystery of Israel” (Romans 11:25), steeped in both a Biblical formation and a spirituality sensitive to Jewish-Christian culture;

- to work for the full integration of Jews who have become Catholics in the Church and in Israeli society;

- to continue to sensitize the Church to her Jewish roots;

- to combat all forms of anti-Semitism."

Christians did not just kill Jews, they killed each other. The above work and document began in 1955. I know many like to hate on certain "denominations". But what denomination has since 1955 spoken to the Jewish Christian as Jews?

Long before the contemporary "Messianic" Judaism/ movemnet became popular amongst the wider church, this above documented work had begun. Those involved with the "Helsinki consultation" Are all Jews, from all denominations including Messianic judaism adherants (Mark Kinzer, of the Messianic Jewish Rabbinical council). 

Question? Do some here deny these are all Messianic, Jewish? Or do you see Some as Just "Catholics"or too "catholic friendly"?

Edited October 13, 2022 by Anne2

[JohnD]

10 hours ago, Anne2 said:

This is not what Anne2 said...

I am typing over her quote to demonstrate what happened in previous posts

that allegedly are quotes of mine, but I never said.

Someone did not use the quote mechanism correctly and accidentally ( I presume )

made it appear as though I said what Anne quoted immediately prior to this post.

Must discuss this with mods.

[Anne2]

1 hour ago, JohnD said:

Must discuss this with mods.

What happened?

 

[Omegaman 3.0]

אתר זה הינו באנגלית בלבד  This website is English only.

If for some reason you NEED to post Hebrew, post the translation also.

Oh, and while you are at it, stop bickering!

[Omegaman 3.0]

1 hour ago, JohannPretorius said:

Who's "bickering?"
Pappie, you don't know me, so save the crocodile tears and find out what is your kri'ah and bechirah uyaqonda ngithi?

Okay you know this is an English forum, and you are not complying. I can't imagine how it is that you get kicked off of other forums (sarcasm). You can have a little time off in this thread. If I don't remember in a few days to let you resume posting here, remind me (assuming you actually want to post here). 

. . . and no, I don't understand Hebrew, or Zulu, or Afrikaans, or Dutch, just English. Most here (even Jews) will have a better grip of English than Hebrew whether ancient or modern.

[NCAP]

5 hours ago, JohannPretorius said:

Who's "bickering?"
Pappie, you don't know me, so save the crocodile tears and find out what is your kri'ah and bechirah uyaqonda ngithi?

...

There is a question I would like to ask.
Who are we here...
And who are we at home?

So, who am I? When I'm here, I'm a poster who posts at this forum. When I'm home, I'm still a poster who posts at this forum from time to time.

So, who are you? The following is from your first post at this forum.

"Just joined today and I am going to be upfront by saying that I have been banned from all Christian Forums and Facebook, why?
For quoting scriptures! As it stands written in the Holy Writ, Perfect Tense.
Secondly, I am a Afrikaans speaking brother from South Africa, think in Afrikaans, speak English, hence many people in America sometimes don't understand me and my culture, or, resent the fact that I am from South Africa."

Why would anyone resent the fact that you are from South Africa? You are being from South Africa is not a sound reason to ban you from any Christian forum. But if you are seen as argumentative and maybe disrespectful and intolerant of other people's beliefs (including someone's belief that Jesus is a created existence), that might be grounds for a ban.

Also, addressing any mod as "Pappie" may come across as disrespectful, since first you imply that the mod is ignorant ("You don't know me"), and then imply the reason for that is because the mod is a "crocodile".

[Anne2]

On 10/12/2022 at 5:26 AM, NCAP said:

That's interesting. From their website:

"Rabbi Singer is widely regarded as one of the leading voices countering the efforts of missionaries that target Jews..."

Who are the missionaries that target Jews? What is that supposed to even mean?

One early group would be Jew's for Jesus. The Messianic movement early on had it's own ways of accomplishing this. Then Gentiles (like me) were attracted more than Jew's to the movement.

[TheBlade]

One reason  it can be hard is they are a stubborn, stiff-necked people. Many years ago in Beverly Hills I worked for a Jewish man (lol yeah just this man..good friend owned allot of land there) and one day there was this other Jewish worker that saw the bible in my hands and said "just remember who wrote that". Not God but them  Lol not how God sees it but praise God. 

I read heaven here. We know knowing God and rejecting Jesus Christ.. well bad idea. But I think most are as Christ said "If you were blind you would have no sin. You say you see your sin remains." Most are blind.  Be nice if we saw treated other as He truly sees us. Just one body. No Jews no Messianic so forth so on. He is the head He is the vine and then body, branches. I remember this man that died then was back and was talking about what he saw. He said it was after all that when the lord reminded him by showing him something he saw there and asked him about it as . What blew him away was HERE he saw black, white, red, yellow (races) but there, not once did it ever come into his mind. He was a black man. 

[NCAP]

On 10/16/2022 at 7:12 AM, JohannPretorius said:

Here is the problem, right?

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...or this?

Idolatrous Cities to Be Destroyed

12If, regarding one of the cities the LORD your God is giving you to inhabit, you hear it said 13that wicked men have arisen from among you and have led the people of their city astray, saying, “Let us go and serve other gods” (which you have not known), 14then you must inquire, investigate, and interrogate thoroughly. And if it is established with certainty that this abomination has been committed among you, 15you must surely put the inhabitants of that city to the sword. Devote to destructionc all its people and livestock.

16And you are to gather all its plunder in the middle of the public square, and completely burn the city and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the LORD your God. The city must remain a mound of ruins forever, never to be rebuilt.

17Nothing devoted to destruction shall cling to your hands, so that the LORD will turn from His fierce anger, grant you mercy, show you compassion, and multiply you as He swore to your fathers, 18because you obey the LORD your God, keeping all His commandments I am giving you today and doing what is right in the eyes of the LORD your God. (Deut. 13 BSB)

Thanks for the links!

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Should we or should we not examine the 365?

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15. In Jesus Christ, Son of God made Man, there shone the plentitude of divine revelation. "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners, spoke in times past to the fathers by the prophets last of all, in these days hath spoken to us by His Son" (Heb. i. 1). The sacred books of the Old Testament are exclusively the word of God, and constitute a substantial part of his revelation; they are penetrated by a subdued light, harmonizing with the slow development of revelation, the dawn of the bright day of the redemption. As should be expected in historical and didactic books, they reflect in many particulars the imperfection, the weakness and sinfulness of man. But side by side with innumerable touches of greatness and nobleness, they also record the story of the chosen people, bearers of the Revelation and the Promise, repeatedly straying from God and turning to the world. Eyes not blinded by prejudice or passion will see in this prevarication, as reported by the Biblical history, the luminous splendor of the divine light revealing the saving plan which finally triumphs over every fault and sin. It is precisely in the twilight of this background that one perceives the striking perspective of the divine tutorship of salvation, as it warms, admonishes, strikes, raises and beautifies its elect. Nothing but ignorance and pride could blind one to the treasures hoarded in the Old Testament.

16. Whoever wishes to see banished from church and school the Biblical history and the wise doctrines of the Old Testament, blasphemes the name of God, blasphemes the Almighty's plan of salvation, and makes limited and narrow human thought the judge of God's designs over the history of the world: he denies his faith in the true Christ, such as He appeared in the flesh, the Christ who took His human nature from a people that was to crucify Him; and he understands nothing of that universal tragedy of the Son of God who to His torturer's sacrilege opposed the divine and priestly sacrifice of His redeeming death, and made the new alliance the goal of the old alliance, its realization and its crown.

ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS XI ON THE CHURCH AND THE GERMAN REICH

 

 

[Anne2]

11 hours ago, Slibhin said:

We are indeed very stubborn in the way we actually follow the Tanakh and reject claims that are entirely inconsistent with messianic prophecy. Hashem says, we do. 

Well, Tanakh is one thing, and oral Torah is another Slibhin. 

Concerning prophecy, who is the priest according to Melchzedek? 

Edited October 16, 2022 by Anne2