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Mishnah, Midrash, and More: What are These Jewish Books?
ByDavid Schwartz
Jewish Texts
Jewish Books "On One Foot":

Jewish tradition draws from a number of texts. This source sheet explains many of them, using the recitation of the Shema as an example of how each source works and how Jewish law evolves through the sources.

Tanach

The Tanach is the Hebrew Bible. TaNaCh stands for Torah, Nevi’im (Prophets), and Ketuvim (Writings). The first date that we have from archeology is that the Israelites entered the Land of Israel (under Joshua) around 1200 BCE, because that’s when the pottery changes. Tradition ascribes the Torah as having been dictated by G-d to Moses on Mt. Sinai (around 1240 BCE). Modern scholarship ascribes the Torah to different authors, traceable through the different names used for G-d (the “Documentary Hypothesis”). The Bible was closed around 444 BCE, traditionally by the prophet Ezra.

דברים ו׳:ד׳-ט׳
(ד) שְׁמַ֖ע יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל יְהוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֵ֖ינוּ יְהוָ֥ה ׀ אֶחָֽד׃ (ה) וְאָ֣הַבְתָּ֔ אֵ֖ת יְהוָ֣ה אֱלֹהֶ֑יךָ בְּכָל־לְבָבְךָ֥ וּבְכָל־נַפְשְׁךָ֖ וּבְכָל־מְאֹדֶֽךָ׃ (ו) וְהָי֞וּ הַדְּבָרִ֣ים הָאֵ֗לֶּה אֲשֶׁ֨ר אָנֹכִ֧י מְצַוְּךָ֛ הַיּ֖וֹם עַל־לְבָבֶֽךָ׃ (ז) וְשִׁנַּנְתָּ֣ם לְבָנֶ֔יךָ וְדִבַּרְתָּ֖ בָּ֑ם בְּשִׁבְתְּךָ֤ בְּבֵיתֶ֙ךָ֙ וּבְלֶכְתְּךָ֣ בַדֶּ֔רֶךְ וּֽבְשָׁכְבְּךָ֖ וּבְקוּמֶֽךָ׃ (ח) וּקְשַׁרְתָּ֥ם לְא֖וֹת עַל־יָדֶ֑ךָ וְהָי֥וּ לְטֹטָפֹ֖ת בֵּ֥ין עֵינֶֽיךָ׃ (ט) וּכְתַבְתָּ֛ם עַל־מְזוּזֹ֥ת בֵּיתֶ֖ךָ וּבִשְׁעָרֶֽיךָ׃ (ס)
Deuteronomy 6:4-9
(4) Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD alone. (5) You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might. (6) Take to heart these instructions with which I charge you this day. (7) Impress them upon your children. Recite them when you stay at home and when you are away, when you lie down and when you get up. (8) Bind them as a sign on your hand and let them serve as a symbol on your forehead; (9) inscribe them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.
Rashi’s Commentary on the Tanach

Rashi is an acronym for Rabbi Shimon Ben Yitzchak. He was a French winemaker who lived from 1040-1105. When he wasn’t making wine, he wrote a commentary on the Tanach and the Talmud. Rashi usually tried to explain the “p’shat”, the literal meaning of the text.

רש"י על דברים ו׳:ד׳:א׳
ה' אלהינו ה' אחד. ה' שֶׁהוּא אֱלֹהֵינוּ עַתָּה, וְלֹא אֱלֹהֵי הָאֻמּוֹת, הוּא עָתִיד לִהְיוֹת ה' אֶחָד, שֶׁנֶּאֱמַר (צפ' ח') כִּי אָז אֶהְפֹּךְ אֶל עַמִּים שָׂפָה בְרוּרָה לִקְרֹא כֻלָּם בְּשֵׁם ה', וְנֶאֱמַר (זכריה י"ד) בַּיּוֹם הַהוּא יִהְיֶה ה' אֶחָד וּשְׁמוֹ אֶחָד (ע' ספרי):

Rashi on Deuteronomy 6:4:1
ה׳ אלהינו ה' אחד means, The Lord who is now our God and not the God of the other peoples of the world, G-d will at some future time be the One (sole) ה׳, as it is said, (Zephaniah 3:9) “For then I will turn to the peoples a pure language that they may all call upon the name of the Lord", and it is further said, (Zechariah 14:9) “In that day shall the Lord be One (אחד) and His name One" (cf. Sifrei Devarim 31:10).

Mishnah

Both during and after the time of the Second Temple, there were many discussions about how to apply the laws of the Torah to “modern” times. Around the year 200 CE, Rabbi Judah the Prince organized these discussions into 6 large topics (“orders”), and then 63 sub-topics (“tractates”). In the Seder song “Who Knows One”, this is the answer for “Who knows Six?”.

משנה ברכות א׳:א׳
(א) מֵאֵימָתַי קוֹרִין אֶת שְׁמַע בְּעַרְבִית. מִשָּׁעָה שֶׁהַכֹּהֲנִים נִכְנָסִים לֶאֱכֹל בִּתְרוּמָתָן, עַד סוֹף הָאַשְׁמוּרָה הָרִאשׁוֹנָה, דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר. וַחֲכָמִים אוֹמְרִים, עַד חֲצוֹת. רַבָּן גַּמְלִיאֵל אוֹמֵר, עַד שֶׁיַּעֲלֶה עַמּוּד הַשָּׁחַר. מַעֲשֶׂה שֶׁבָּאוּ בָנָיו מִבֵּית הַמִּשְׁתֶּה, אָמְרוּ לוֹ, לֹא קָרִינוּ אֶת שְׁמַע. אָמַר לָהֶם, אִם לֹא עָלָה עַמּוּד הַשַּׁחַר, חַיָּבִין אַתֶּם לִקְרוֹת. וְלֹא זוֹ בִּלְבַד, אֶלָּא כָּל מַה שֶּׁאָמְרוּ חֲכָמִים עַד חֲצוֹת, מִצְוָתָן עַד שֶׁיַּעֲלֶה עַמּוּד הַשָּׁחַר. הֶקְטֵר חֲלָבִים וְאֵבָרִים, מִצְוָתָן עַד שֶׁיַּעֲלֶה עַמּוּד הַשָּׁחַר. וְכָל הַנֶּאֱכָלִים לְיוֹם אֶחָד, מִצְוָתָן עַד שֶׁיַּעֲלֶה עַמּוּד הַשָּׁחַר. אִם כֵּן, לָמָּה אָמְרוּ חֲכָמִים עַד חֲצוֹת, כְּדֵי לְהַרְחִיק אֶת הָאָדָם מִן הָעֲבֵרָה:

Mishnah Berakhot 1:1
(1) From what time may one recite the Shema in the evening? From the time that the priests enter [their houses] in order to eat their terumah until the end of the first watch, the words of Rabbi Eliezer. The sages say: until midnight. Rabban Gamaliel says: until dawn. Once it happened that his sons came home [late] from a wedding feast and they said to him: we have not yet recited the [evening] Shema. He said to them: if it is not yet dawn you are still obligated to recite. And not in respect to this alone did they so decide, but wherever the sages say “until midnight,” the mitzvah may be performed until dawn. The burning of the fat and the pieces may be performed till dawn. Similarly, all [the offerings] that are to be eaten within one day may be eaten till dawn. Why then did the sages say “until midnight”? In order to keep a man far from transgression.

Pirkei Avot

Pirkei Avot is a collection of quotes from the rabbis of the Mishnah. They lived from the years 300 BCE to 200 CE, and their sayings form a tractate of the Talmud. It’s one of the few tractates of the Mishnah which has no Gemara commenting on it, and it’s the only tractate of the Talmud which is about ethical/moral ways of living but not about Jewish law. Pirkei Avot is traditionally studied after Shabbat Mincha in the summer months (Passover to Rosh Hashanah), so it’s printed in its entirety at that spot in most siddurim.

משנה אבות א׳:א׳
(א) משֶׁה קִבֵּל תּוֹרָה מִסִּינַי, וּמְסָרָהּ לִיהוֹשֻׁעַ, וִיהוֹשֻׁעַ לִזְקֵנִים, וּזְקֵנִים לִנְבִיאִים, וּנְבִיאִים מְסָרוּהָ לְאַנְשֵׁי כְנֶסֶת הַגְּדוֹלָה. הֵם אָמְרוּ שְׁלשָׁה דְבָרִים, הֱווּ מְתוּנִים בַּדִּין, וְהַעֲמִידוּ תַלְמִידִים הַרְבֵּה, וַעֲשׂוּ סְיָג לַתּוֹרָה:

Pirkei Avot 1:1
(1) Moses received the Torah at Sinai and transmitted it to Joshua, Joshua to the elders, and the elders to the prophets, and the prophets to the Men of the Great Assembly. They said three things: Be patient in [the administration of] justice, raise many disciples and make a fence round the Torah.

Midrash

If the Mishnah explained the “how” of the Torah, and Rashi explained the “what” of the Torah, Midrash explains the “so what” of the Torah. Halachic Midrash seeks to explain the deeper meaning of the text, while Aggadic Midrash seeks to explain the missing parts of the stories. For example, what did Cain and Abel talk about in their last conversation? The Torah only says that they talked, so Midrash seeks to fill in the gaps. Classical Midrashic texts were written between 200 CE and 1200 CE. The Mechilta covers Exodus, Sifra is about Leviticus, and Sifrei covers Numbers and Deuteronomy. The Tanchuma covers all 5 books. There’s also Midrash Rabbah, with books covering each book in the Torah and each of the 5 megillot - Esther, Song of Songs, Ruth, Lamentations, and Ecclesiastes. People still write midrashim today.

דברים רבה ב׳:ל״ה
דָּבָר אַחֵר, שְׁמַע יִשְׂרָאֵל. מֵהֵיכָן זָכוּ יִשְׂרָאֵל לִקְרִיאַת שְׁמַע, מִשָּׁעָה שֶׁנָּטָה יַעֲקֹב לְמִיתָה קָרָא לְכָל הַשְּׁבָטִים וְאָמַר לָהֶן שֶׁמָּא מִשֶּׁאֲנִי נִפְטַר מִן הָעוֹלָם אַתֶּם מִשְׁתַּחֲוִים לֵאלוֹהַּ אַחֵר, מִנַּיִן, שֶׁכָּךְ כְּתִיב (בראשית מט, ב): הִקָּבְצוּ וְשִׁמְעוּ בְּנֵי יַעֲקֹב וגו', מַהוּ (בראשית מט, ב): וְשִׁמְעוּ אֶל יִשְׂרָאֵל אֲבִיכֶם, אָמַר לָהֶן, אֵל יִשְׂרָאֵל, אֲבִיכֶם הוּא. אָמְרוּ לוֹ, שְׁמַע יִשְׂרָאֵל ה' אֱלֹהֵינוּ ה' אֶחָד, וְהוּא אוֹמֵר בִּלְחִישָׁה בָּרוּךְ שֵׁם כְּבוֹד מַלְכוּתוֹ לְעוֹלָם וָעֶד. אָמַר רַבִּי לֵוִי וּמַה יִּשְׂרָאֵל אוֹמְרִים עַכְשָׁו, שְׁמַע אָבִינוּ יִשְׂרָאֵל אוֹתוֹ הַדָּבָר שֶׁצִּוִּיתָנוּ נוֹהֵג בָּנוּ ה' אֱלֹהֵינוּ ה' אֶחָד.
Devarim Rabbah 2:35
Another idea: "Listen, O Israel-" from where did Israel merit the [commandment of the] reading of Shema? From the time that Jacob spread out to die, he called to all the tribes and said to them: "Maybe once I pass away, you will bow to another power?" From where [can we learn this]? For so it is written: "Gather and listen, sons of Jacob, [and listen to your father Israel] (Genesis 49)." What is 'and listen to your father Israel (Heb. V'shimu El Yisrael Avichem)'? He said to them: The G-d of Israel is your father (an alternate meaning of 'El Yisrael Avichem')." They said to him: "Listen O Israel, Hashem is our G-d, Hashem is one." And he said in a whisper: "Blessed be the glorious name of His Kingship (ie. G-d) forever." Rabbi Levi said: "And what do Israel say today? 'Listen, our forefather Israel, the same thing that you commanded us still abides among us, Hashem is our G-d, Hashem is one.'"

There are also versions of this story in Sifrei and Tanchuma.

Talmud

After the Mishnah was compiled in the Land of Israel around 200 CE, the rabbis in Israel and Babylonia spent decades and decades analyzing it to figure out exactly how to implement what it said. These discussions became known as “Gemara”. The discussions in Israel were compiled around 400 CE into the Jerusalem Talmud (actually done in Tiberius), while the discussions in Babylonia were compiled around 500 CE into the Babylonian Talmud. This became the better-known Talmud after the Muslim Caliphate in Baghdad allowed that Talmud to spread through its communication networks. Now, when somebody says “The Talmud”, they mean “The Babylonian Talmud”.

ברכות ב׳ א:י״ב
אָמַר מָר מִשָּׁעָה שֶׁהַכֹּהֲנִים נִכְנָסִים לֶאֱכוֹל בִּתְרוּמָתָן. מִכְּדִי כֹּהֲנִים אֵימַת קָא אָכְלִי תְּרוּמָה? — מִשְּׁעַת צֵאת הַכּוֹכָבִים, לִתְנֵי: ״מִשְּׁעַת צֵאת הַכּוֹכָבִים״!
Berakhot 2a:12
The Gemara proceeds to clarify the rest of the mishna. The Master said in the mishna that the beginning of the period when one recites Shema in the evening is when the priests enter to partake of their teruma. However, this does not specify a definitive time. When do the priests enter to partake of their teruma? From the time of the emergence of the stars. If that is the case, then let the tanna teach that the time for the recitation of the evening Shema is from the time of the emergence of the stars.
Rashi’s Commentary on the Talmud

Rashi (France, 1040-1105) not only wrote a commentary on the literal meaning of the Tanach, he also wrote a commentary explaining what 30 of the 39 tractates of the Talmud were talking about (he died before finishing this project). When Daniel Bomberg made the first printed Talmud in 1520 he included Rashi’s commentary, and thereafter Rashi has always been included in printed copies of the Talmud. His commentary is always the part of the page closest to the middle of the book so it’s easy to find. Particularly given that there are traditionally no vowels and very little punctuation in the Talmud, Rashi is indispensable in understanding the Talmud.

רש"י על ברכות ב׳ א:א׳:א׳
מאימתי קורין את שמע בערבין. משעה שהכהנים נכנסים לאכול בתרומתן – כהנים שנטמאו וטבלו והעריב שמשן והגיע עתם לאכול בתרומה:
Rashi on Berakhot 2a:1:1
From what time do we read the shema at night? From the time that the Kohanim (priests) enter to eat their Trumah (holy food). --- Kohanim that became defiled, and then immersed (in the mikvah), and the sun has set [reseting their purity], then they are allowed to eat Trumah.

Mishneh Torah

The Mishneh Torah was written by Maimonides (1135-1204), a.k.a. The Rambam. The Rambam’s main job was physician to the Sultan, and in his spare time he set out to answer the question “What should a Jew do?” He did this mostly by reorganizing the thoughts of the Talmud, but also adding his own knowledge 600 years later. At first the Mishneh Torah was controversial because it took out all of the back-and-forth in the Talmud and just gave a bottom line answer, but this later became seen as a strength.

משנה תורה, הלכות קריאת שמע א׳:ט׳
אֵיזֶה הוּא זְמַן קְרִיאַת שְׁמַע בַּלַּיְלָה. מִצְוָתָהּ מִשְּׁעַת יְצִיאַת הַכּוֹכָבִים עַד חֲצִי הַלַּיְלָה. וְאִם עָבַר וְאִחֵר וְקָרָא עַד שֶׁלֹּא עָלָה עַמּוּד הַשַּׁחַר יָצָא יְדֵי חוֹבָתוֹ שֶׁלֹּא אָמְרוּ עַד חֲצוֹת אֶלָּא כְּדֵי לְהַרְחִיק אָדָם מִן הַפְּשִׁיעָה:
Mishneh Torah, Reading the Shema 1:9
When is the time for reading the Shema? In the evening, the duty is correctly performed if it is read at any time from the first appearance of the stars till midnight. If one however transgressed and delayed, but read the Shema before daybreak, he has discharged the obligation. The Sages fixed midnight as the limit only in order to prevent complete violation.
Shulchan Aruch

The Shulchan Aruch was published by Rabbi Joseph Caro in 1563 as a “Code of Jewish Law”. It updates the Mishneh Torah as a way of explaining what to do in every situation that it could think of. In general it gives Sephardic practice, so the Rema (Rabbi Moses Isserles) wrote a gloss giving the Ashkenazic practice when it was different. There are 4 sections to the Shulchan Aruch:

Orach Chayim - the laws about Jewish time (prayer time and holidays)

Yoreh De’ah - the laws about Jewish living (kashrut, conversion, mourning, Israel)

Even Ha’ezer - the laws about getting married and divorced

Choshen Mishpat - the laws about business, money, and courts

אורח חיים נ״ח:ה׳
אם נאנס ולא קרא ק"ש ערבית עד שעלה עמוד השחר כיון שעדיין לא הנץ החמה קורא ק"ש ויוצא בה ידי חובת קריאת שמע ערבית ואם היה אנוס באותה שעה לצאת לדרך מקום גדודי חיה ולסטים לא יקרא אז ק"ש פעם שנית לצאת בה ידי חובת ק"ש של יום שמאחר שעשה לאותה שעה לילה אי אפשר לחזור ולעשותה יום:
Shulchan Arukh, Orach Chayim 58:5
If one was unavoidably prevented [from reading Shema at the appropriate time], and didn't recite the evening recitation of the Shema until daybreak, since the sun has not yet budded, one may recite the recitation of the Shema and fulfill the obligation of the evening recitation of the Shema. And if one was unavoidably prevented at that time - [for instance] to travel in a place with bands of wild animals and bandits - one should not recite the recitation of the Shema a second time to fulfill the obligation of the daytime recitation of the Shema because once one made that time "night," it's impossible to retract and make it "day."
Mishnah Berurah

The Mishnah Berurah was written by the Chofetz Chayim (Rabbi Israel Meir Kagan) in the late 1800s. It takes the Orach Chayim section of the Shulchan Aruch (laws about prayer, synagogue, Shabbat, and holidays) and explains various ways of thinking about them as of the late 1800s. It tends to lean toward the stricter of the options that it presents when it gives options.

משנה ברורה נ״ח:ה׳
(ה) שהוא רביע היום - ואין חילוק בין ימות הקיץ שהיום ארוך ובין ימות החורף שהיום קצר חשבינן היום לי"ב שעות ולעולם חלק רביע מהיום הוא זמן ק"ש לכך יש ליזהר בימי החורף למהר לקרוא ק"ש מאחר שהיום קצר ורביע היום קצר [ט"ז] ובאמת בימי הקיץ צריך ליזהר טפי דדרך ב"א לעמוד בזמן אחד כמו בימות החורף ואז כבר חלף ועבר ק"ש דכל שהיום גדול יותר זמן ק"ש ממהר לבוא וצריך לגומרה כולה בזמנה והמאחרים קריאת שמע בשביל ציצית או תפילין טועים אלא יקרא ק"ש בברכותיה בזמנה בלא ציצית ותפילין וכשיהיה לו יניחם ויקרא בהם ק"ש או פרשה אחרת או מזמור תהלים. ואפילו אם ספק לו שמא יעבור זמן ק"ש ג"כ אין להמתין על טלית ותפילין דאינו מעכב זה את זה אבל בלא"ה ימתין דכל הקורא ק"ש בלא תפילין כאלו מעיד עדות שקר בעצמו. ויש אנשים שמאחרים זמן ק"ש בשביל תפילה בצבור וג"ז שלא כדין הוא. ועכ"פ יזהרו לקרות שמע בזמנה קודם התפלה ולכוין לצאת בזה וכנ"ל בסוף סי' מ"ו במשנה ברורה עי"ש ואין לאחר הקריאה לבהכ"נ בשביל הזקנים המאחרים לבוא ויצטרכו להתפלל ביחידי כיון שעי"ז יעבור זמן ק"ש ואין אומרים לו לאדם חטא בשביל שיזכה חבירך ובשבת ויו"ט מצוי מאד לעבור זמן ק"ש מפני כמה דברים ע"כ החכם עיניו בראשו לקבץ מנין ולהתפלל קודם או עכ"פ לקרות שמע בזמנו קודם שיעמוד להתפלל עם הצבור וכנ"ל בסוף סימן מ"ו ועי"ש בביאור הגר"א ובבה"ל שם:
Mishnah Berurah 58:5
58:5. If for a good reason one did not read the evening Shema by dawn, since (20) the sun has not yet risen one can read the Shema and fulfill the evening Shema. And if he is in a rush because he is going to a place of wild animals and/or robbers, (21) he should still not read Shema (22) a second time in order to read the day’s Shema, because since he declared it to be night [by reading the evening Shema] he cannot go back (23) and make it day.

MB 20: the sun – And some people are sleeping at that time, therefore at a pressing time it is considered in the time frame of “and when you lie down” but normally, even after the fact, this is not sufficient to fulfill the commandment.

MB 21: he should not read – there are those who disagree, and see the Eliya Raba and the Gr”a.

MB 22: a second time – even after the time where he can recognize his friend at a distance of 4 amot [until sunrise].

MB 23: and make it day – rather he should wait, perhaps he will be able to say it at the proper time.

https://torah.org/learning/mishna-berura-s58/

 

The Truth About The Talmud

          Michael A. Hoffman II in his article titled “The Truth About The Talmud – A Documented Exposé Of Supremacist Rabbinic Hate Literature” published in Rense.Com (http://www.rense.com) wrote the Talmud is Judaism’s holiest book (actually a collection of books). Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): “My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament).”

        The supremacy of the Talmud over the Bible in the Israeli state may also be seen in the case of the black Ethiopian Jews. Ethiopians are very knowledgeable of the Old Testament. However, their religion is so ancient it pre-dates the Scribes’ Talmud, of which the Ethiopians have no knowledge. According to the N.Y. Times of Sept. 29, 1992, p.4:

       “The problem is that Ethiopian Jewish tradition goes no further than the Bible or Torah; the later Talmud and other commentaries that form the basis of modern traditions never came their way.”

         Because they are not traffickers in Talmudic tradition, the black Ethiopian Jews are discriminated against and have been forbidden by the Zionists to perform marriages, funerals and other services in the Israeli state.

        Rabbi Joseph D. Soloveitchik is regarded as one of the most influential rabbis of the 20th century, the “unchallenged leader” of Orthodox Judaism and the top international authority on halakha (Jewish religious law). Soloveitchik was responsible for instructing and ordaining more than 2,000 rabbis, “an entire generation” of Jewish leadership.

         N.Y. Times religion reporter Ari Goldman described the basis of the rabbi’s authority: “Soloveitchik came from a long line of distinguished Talmudic scholars…Until his early 20s, he devoted himself almost exclusively to the study of the Talmud…He came to Yeshiva University’s Elchanan Theological Seminary where he remained the pre-eminent teacher in the Talmud…He held the title of Leib Merkin professor of Talmud…sitting with his feet crossed in front of a table bearing an open volume of the Talmud.” (N.Y. Times, April 10, 1993, p. 38).

      Nowhere does Goldman refer to Soloveitchik’s knowledge of the Bible as the basis for being one of the leading authorities on Jewish law. The rabbi’s credentials are all predicated upon his mastery of the Talmud. Other studies are clearly secondary. Britain’s Jewish Chronicle of March 26, 1993 states that in religious school (yeshiva), Jews are “devoted to the Talmud to the exclusion of everything else.”

The Talmud Nullifies the Bible

        The Jewish Scribes claim the Talmud is partly a collection of traditions Moses gave them in oral form. These had not yet been written down in Jesus’ time. Christ condemned the traditions of the Mishnah (early Talmud) and those who taught it (Scribes and Pharisees), because the Talmud nullifies the teachings of the Holy Bible.

        Shmuel Safrai in The Literature of the Sages Part One (p.164), points out that in chapters 4 and 5 of the Talmud’s Gittin Tractate, the Talmud nullifies the Biblical teaching concerning money-lending: “Hillel decreed the prozbul for the betterment of the world. The prozbul is a legal fiction which allows debts to be collected after the Sabbatical year and it was Hillel’s intention thereby to overcome the fear that money-lenders had of losing their money.”

         The famous warning of Jesus Christ about the tradition of men that voids Scripture (Mark 7:1-13), is in fact, a direct reference to the Talmud, or more specifically, the forerunner of the first part of it, the Mishnah, which existed in oral form during Christ’s lifetime, before being committed to writing. Mark chapter 7, from verse one through thirteen, represents Our Lord’s pointed condemnation of the Mishnah.

       Unfortunately, due to the abysmal ignorance of our day, the widespread “Judeo-Christian” notion is that the Old Testament is the supreme book of Judaism. But this is not so. The Pharisees teach for doctrine the commandments of rabbis, not God.

       The Talmudic commentary on the Bible is their supreme law, and not the Bible itself. That commentary does indeed, as Jesus said, void the laws of God, not uphold them. As students of the Talmud, we know this to be true.

       Jewish scholar Hyam Maccoby, in Judaism on Trial, quotes Rabbi Yehiel ben Joseph: “Further, without the Talmud, we would not be able to understand passages in the Bible…God has handed this authority to the sages and tradition is a necessity as well as scripture. The Sages also made enactments of their own…anyone who does not study the Talmud cannot understand Scripture.”

       There is a tiny Jewish sect which makes considerable effort to eschew Talmud and adhere to the Old Testament alone. These are the Karaites, a group which, historically, has been most hated and severely persecuted by orthodox Jewish rabbinate.

       To the Mishnah the rabbis later added the Gemara (rabbinical commentaries). Together these comprise the Talmud. There are two versions, the Jerusalem Talmud and the Babylonian Talmud.

       The Babylonian Talmud is regarded as the authoritative version: “The authority of the Babylonian Talmud is also greater than that of the Jerusalem Talmud. In cases of doubt the former is decisive.” (R.C. Musaph-Andriesse, From Torah to Kabbalah: A Basic Introduction to the Writings of Judaism, p. 40).

       This study is based on the Jewish-authorized Babylonian Talmud. We have published herein the authenticated sayings of the Jewish Talmud. Look them up for yourself.

       We publish the following irrefutable documentation in the hope of liberating all people, including Jewish people, from the corrosive delusions and racism of this Talmudic hate literature, which is the manual of Orthodox and Hasidic Jews the world over.

      The implementation by Jewish supremacists of Talmudic hate literature has caused untold suffering throughout history and now, in occupied Palestine, it is used as a justification for the mass murder of Palestinian civilians. The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals.
https://hshidayat.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/the-satanic-verses-of-the-jewish-talmud-and-zionism/#:~:text=The Truth About,non-human animals.

Of course, these will be denied.

How many 'Torah's" do they have?
Talmuds?
Rambanic uninspired writings, in fact, everything is uninspired.

.........Hmmm

Shalom
J.

The tanakh is also Moses. Moses law gave a priesthood, a temple and sacrifices to keep his feasts etc. Oral Torah does not do that. Though the claims are not only from Rabbinics. Nowadays Christians speak in the same way. 

[kwikphilly]

11 hours ago, Slibhin said:

We are indeed very stubborn in the way we actually follow the Tanakh and reject claims that are entirely inconsistent with messianic prophecy. Hashem says, we do. 

Hi Slibhin

I had a very dear friend who was not very religious,at his bar mitzvah ( did I spell it correctly?) his grandma gave him a beautiful Book of the Holy Scriptures( Menorah Press)and Tanakh( in English)

How I loved reading those Books,everytime I'd go over his house I would run over to his little library & say " May I"? Oh Slibhin one day my dear friend came over my house with a big gift wrapped box ,to my surprise he gifted his Books to me- I was brought to tears,I said " but they're from your grandma?" And he replied,yes they are sentimental but they mean so much more to you,it does my heart good"

Anyway,The Holy Scriptures are a favorite amongst my many Christian Bibles-I have found very little differences and actually think it is one of the best translations I have

Having said all that I have to ask what you make of Isaiah 53 and especially Isaiah 9:5-6 I remember asking my friend," What does Pele-joez-el-gibbor  Abi-ad-sar-shalom mean"?

When he replied"Wonderful in Council is God the Mighty,Everlasting Father,Ruler of Peace....describing Who the child born unto us is,with the govt upon his shoulder.... And that's Who His Name is Called!

How ,may  I ask is this Promise of the Seed to Come,this Promise of eventual Peace to the Throne of David not describe Jesus of Nazareth?

All I see is Jesus Fulfillment of Isaiah's prophecy in the 53rd Chapter,what do you see?

Thanks for the opportunity for me to ask,I'll understand if youd prefer to answer me personally in pm- as this is really not the Topic at hand.❤️Good to see you

With love in Christ, Kwik

 

[kwikphilly]

2 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Hi Slibhin

I had a very dear friend who was not very religious,at his bar mitzvah ( did I spell it correctly?) his grandma gave him a beautiful Book of the Holy Scriptures( Menorah Press)and Tanakh( in English)

How I loved reading those Books,everytime I'd go over his house I would run over to his little library & say " May I"? Oh Slibhin one day my dear friend came over my house with a big gift wrapped box ,to my surprise he gifted his Books to me- I was brought to tears,I said " but they're from your grandma?" And he replied,yes they are sentimental but they mean so much more to you,it does my heart good"

Anyway,The Holy Scriptures are a favorite amongst my many Christian Bibles-I have found very little differences and actually think it is one of the best translations I have

Having said all that I have to ask what you make of Isaiah 53 and especially Isaiah 9:5-6 I remember asking my friend," What does Pele-joez-el-gibbor  Abi-ad-sar-shalom mean"?

When he replied"Wonderful in Council is God the Mighty,Everlasting Father,Ruler of Peace....describing Who the child born unto us is,with the govt upon his shoulder.... And that's Who His Name is Called!

How ,may  I ask is this Promise of the Seed to Come,this Promise of eventual Peace to the Throne of David not describe Jesus of Nazareth?

All I see is Jesus Fulfillment of Isaiah's prophecy in the 53rd Chapter,what do you see?

Thanks for the opportunity for me to ask,I'll understand if youd prefer to answer me personally in pm- as this is really not the Topic at hand.❤️Good to see you

With love in Christ, Kwik

 

Not to mention the awesome Hebrew Encyclopedia at the back of the book translating from Hebrews to English- the many transliterations are defined wonderfully!!!

[Anne2]

14 minutes ago, Slibhin said:

The suffering servant is Israel. No Jew has ever considered Isaiah 53 a messianic prophecy.

I have said repeatedly if someone can show me how Jesus fulfills Jewish messianic prophecy I'd be in church next Sunday.

I don't care if people believe he fulfills Christian messianic prophecy, you're trying to convince Jewish people he is their Messiah. Our Messianic criteria have not changed one iota in millennia, to my knowledge. What you claim Jesus did is entirely inconsistent with what we consider messianic prophecy. If I am wrong feel free to demonstrate that.

If you want to PM you don't have to wait for me to go first, feel free.

This is another attempt to ask you a question. Which you have never answered. Who is the priest in this prophecy?

Ge 14:18  And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

Ps 110:4  The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

It cannot be a Levite, of the order of Aaron, they were not kings. It is an order which was before Moses.

 

Who are these kings promised to Sarah and Abraham?

Ge 17:6  And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
Ge 17:16  And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.

 

Edited October 16, 2022 by Anne2

[David1701]

9 minutes ago, Slibhin said:

The suffering servant is Israel. No Jew has ever considered Isaiah 53 a messianic prophecy.

I have said repeatedly if someone can show me how Jesus fulfills Jewish messianic prophecy I'd be in church next Sunday.

I don't care if people believe he fulfills Christian messianic prophecy, you're trying to convince Jewish people he is their Messiah. Our Messianic criteria have not changed one iota in millennia, to my knowledge. What you claim Jesus did is entirely inconsistent with what we consider messianic prophecy. If I am wrong feel free to demonstrate that.

If you want to PM you don't have to wait for me to go first, feel free.

Israel does not at all fit the description of the suffering servant, in Is. 53!

Almost all of the earliest believers in Jesus Christ were Jewish!  Of course they believed that he was the fulfilment of Is. 53 (and numerous other prophecies, e.g. Ps. 22).

It's true that most of the Jewish leaders did not believe in him, but that was because of the hardness of their hearts.

[kwikphilly]

11 minutes ago, Slibhin said:

The suffering servant is Israel. No Jew has ever considered Isaiah 53 a messianic prophecy.

I have said repeatedly if someone can show me how Jesus fulfills Jewish messianic prophecy I'd be in church next Sunday.

I don't care if people believe he fulfills Christian messianic prophecy, you're trying to convince Jewish people he is their Messiah. Our Messianic criteria have not changed one iota in millennia, to my knowledge. What you claim Jesus did is entirely inconsistent with what we consider messianic prophecy. If I am wrong feel free to demonstrate that.

If you want to PM you don't have to wait for me to go first, feel free.

Oh okay Slibhin,I will probably pm you tomorrow then- I'd love to talk more about the Jewish " Messianic criteria" to try to understand better because I really don't.

Yes,you've mentioned this many times & I've also mentioned I'm not trying to convince you of anything - I believe we both know that,lol

Would not God's Promises for future be considered Prophecy? Anyway,I'll leave my questions for tomorrow when I can sit quietly- it's a little busy round me at the moment

In His Love, Kwik

[JohnD]

6 hours ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

You stated: "Some non-Catholic Christians dislike the Jews from envy, I suppose. How even in unbelief Jewish people are still God’s chosen people of Earth. Not satisfied with being God’s chosen people of heaven, they concoct such falsehoods as replacement theology which is a lie from the pit of hell."

For as passionate a statement this may be, You have no understanding of God's eternal covenant with His chosen people, from every nation and every tribe.

An unsaved Jew, not predestined to eternal life, is no different than any other unsaved person. It is entirely un- Biblical to take the narrative that somehow national Israel plays some kind of eternal role at this point in time. 

In other words, your belief of having reverence for an unsaved, Christ hating Jews as being God's chosen people  (representing the kingdom of God on earth) officially ended when the curtain was rent in twain. 

I, along with countless other non- Jewish Christians take offense with the notion that we " replaced"  O.T. prophecy to make us the inheritors if God's promises. The fact is, nothing was replaced, only fulfilled in Christ. The unsaved Jews will die in their sins.  The saved Jew ( with no special advantage over any other believer) will inherit the promise of eternal life. We will all be one in Christ, messianic , polish, Italian, whatever, it means nothing in heaven. 

 

 

The Abrahamic covenant was one sided. Unconditional.

Genesis 15:12–20 (YLT)
12 And the sun is about to go in, and deep sleep hath fallen upon Abram, and lo, a terror of great darkness is falling upon him;
13 and He saith to Abram, ‘knowing—know that thy seed is a sojourner in a land not theirs, and they have served them, and they have afflicted them four hundred years,
14 and the nation also whom they serve I judge, and after this they go out with great substance;
15 and thou—thou comest in unto thy fathers in peace; thou art buried in a good old age;
16 and the fourth generation doth turn back hither, for the iniquity of the Amorite is not yet complete.’
17 And it cometh to pass—the sun hath gone in, and thick darkness hath been—and lo, a furnace of smoke, and a lamp of fire, which hath passed over between those pieces.
18 In that day hath Jehovah made with Abram a covenant, saying, ‘To thy seed I have given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Phrat,
19 with the Kenite, and the Kenizzite, and the Kadmonite,
20 and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Rephaim,

Genesis 12:1–3 (YLT)
1 And Jehovah saith unto Abram, ‘Go for thyself, from thy land, and from thy kindred, and from the house of thy father, unto the land which I shew thee.
2 And I make thee become a great nation, and bless thee, and make thy name great; and be thou a blessing.
3 And I bless those blessing thee, and him who is disesteeming thee I curse, and blessed in thee have been all families of the ground.’

This is all party of the first part (God). Abraham and his offspring do not have to meet any conditions.

Now, if you are offended... well, aside from what I think about those who are so easily offended... your offense is from God. Take it up with him.

IN CHRIST...

Galatians 3:28 (YLT)
28 there is not here Jew or Greek, there is not here servant nor freeman, there is not here male and female, for all ye are one in Christ Jesus;

I never indicated otherwise.

So if your wittle feewings got hurwert that's too bad.

The Jews are still God's chosen people of Earth. Believers in Jesus are God's chosen of heaven:\

Galatians 4:21–31 (YLT)
21 Tell me, ye who are willing to be under law, the law do ye not hear?
22 for it hath been written, that Abraham had two sons, one by the maid-servant, and one by the free-woman,
23 but he who is of the maid-servant, according to flesh hath been, and he who is of the free-woman, through the promise;
24 which things are allegorized, for these are the two covenants: one, indeed, from mount Sinai, to servitude bringing forth, which is Hagar;
25 for this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and doth correspond to the Jerusalem that now is, and is in servitude with her children,
26 and the Jerusalem above is the free-woman, which is mother of us all,
27 for it hath been written, ‘Rejoice, O barren, who art not bearing; break forth and cry, thou who art not travailing, because many are the children of the desolate—more than of her having the husband.’
28 And we, brethren, as Isaac, are children of promise,
29 but as then he who was born according to the flesh did persecute him according to the spirit, so also now;
30 but what saith the Writing? ‘Cast forth the maid-servant and her son, for the son of the maid-servant may not be heir with the son of the free-woman;’
31 then, brethren, we are not a maid-servant’s children, but the free-woman’s.

Philippians 3:1–3 (YLT)
1 As to the rest, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord; the same things to write to you to me indeed is not tiresome, and for you is sure;
2 look to the dogs, look to the evil-workers, look to the concision;
3 for we are the circumcision, who by the Spirit are serving God, and glorying in Christ Jesus, and in flesh having no trust.

Being chosen of Earth has no bearing on the afterlife. Jews must be saved from eternal damnation the same as anybody (John 3:18). And the Gospel was first for the Jew then for the Greek (Gentiles). So no one is saying the words you are attempting to put in my mouth.

And as far as replacement theology goes, I did not say ALL Christians believe that lie, but some do. Don't they.

I await your apology.

[JohnD]

3 hours ago, Slibhin said:

The suffering servant is Israel.

 

I have already conceded this point. 

Now, WHICH Yisro'el IS the suffering servant?

The name Israel comes from the words:

Yish  - He

Sarar - Prince

Elohiym - God

The ultimate Prince of  God is Moshiakh Nagiyd.

It can't be Jacob the patriarch (long dead by Isaiah 53)

It can't be the children of Israel (unless Jews are to suffer for the Gentiles)

It can't be the ancient northern kingdom Israel

It can't be the modern state Israel...

must be messianic after all.

The Jews who do not consider it a messianic prophecy (as you declare Slibhin) are avoiding the truth in their / your own scriptures.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

1 hour ago, Slibhin said:

Well so what? The vast majority of Jews rejected him. Why do you give weight to the few apostates who did believe him and no weight to the vast majority who didn't? Because they believe what you believe? What a non-argument.

At what point in history was Israel ever faithful to God?  The majority of Israel has always been apostate even to this day.  Israel from the start has been subversive and rebellious towards God. From the time God brought them out of Egypt till this very day, Israel has been apostate to God.  However, God has always had a small remnant of faithful people that are true to his Word not the majority of Israel. Israel killed all the prophets of God sent to them, your own Tanakh and your prophets testifies of this.  Listen to the words of Stephen a faithful Jew spoke before he was stoned to death by a group of Rabbis.

You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you. Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who announced beforehand the coming of the Righteous One, whom you have now betrayed and murdered - Act 7:51-52 

Yeshua speaking to Jewish Rabbi Leaders:

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord. - Mat 23:34-39 

Edited October 17, 2022 by Jedi4Yahweh

[Jedi4Yahweh]

25 minutes ago, Slibhin said:

Well since I have never read the Bible and don't believe in it I don't care what it says. I would argue Jewish people, (Orthodox anyway) are more faithful now then anytime in history.

It's amazing how quickly some of you turn hostile and attack Jewish people just because we don't fall to our knees and accept your views.

Yet here you are calling Jews who follow Jesus "Apostates".  How is this not as hostile than what you have stated?  Sounds like you have a double standard.

2 hours ago, Slibhin said:

Why do you give weight to the few apostates who did believe him and no weight to the vast majority who didn't? Because they believe what you believe? What a non-argument.

 

Edited October 17, 2022 by Jedi4Yahweh