Catholics Vs. Protestants (I don't get it)

[Michael37]

6 hours ago, NCAP said:

Wood is not the power of God, but those who worship wood are idolaters. Wood "can neither see nor hear nor walk". (Rev. 19:20)

The preaching of the cross was the subject, not a piece of wood nor anything meriting insinuations of idolatry.

1Co 1:18  For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

[Your closest friendnt]

@Not of the World,

Greetings,

at Mathew 27:45 NIV 

45 From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land. 

46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli,[a] lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”). 

* This happens at the time of Jesus death or just before Jesus death for three hours from noon at about three in the afternoon...

What is the significance of this darkness that fall upon the earth? 

Helpful references. 

"JESUS is the LIGHT of the world" 

Bellow are the prophetic words of Zacarias the Priest at the dedication of his son's John in the Temple about six months before Jesus was born. 

**Luke 1:72

72.to show mercy to our ancestors

**Luke 1: 78-79

78. by which the rising sun will come to us from heaven
79. to shine on those living in darkness
    and in the shadow of death,

What the great darkness this sign from God for three hours just before the death of Jesus meant? And why was given to us, for what message?  

Edited October 18, 2022 by Your closest friendnt

[com7fy8]

6 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Attacking their leaders it makes others believe that you are harbouring bitterness in your heart

One thing I like to do is point out how the Bible says every child of God is functioning in Jesus Christ's priesthood. Plus, we are told to pray for "all the saints" 

[com7fy8]

6 hours ago, Tristen said:

As individuals, we will each have to give an account of ourselves to God regarding the sincerity of our personal faith in Christ.

"faith working through love" (in Galatians 5:6)

"the love of Christ which passes knowledge" (in Ephesians 3:19)

"Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies. And if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know." (in 1 Corinthians 8:1-2)

"These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual." (1 Corinthians 2:13)

So, from this I get that God's word is not only giving us ideas to believe, but His words are talking about realities of God and His kingdom . . . which we even can experience in sharing with Him. And have words given to us, about what we are actually experiencing and can enjoy in sharing with God and one another.

There is the love meaning of God's word. My experience now is that any part of God's word can be used somehow to help us discover how God has us love.

But groups can stay with only their ideas and outward practices that even a psychopath predator can copy-cat all the way into being a pastor, of all things. A predator can use their outward show as the predator's camouflage!! There are groups who can evaluate someone only or mainly by what the person is saying and doing, not by actual character of the person. And so, any evil person with some acting ability can fool one's way into being trusted as a pastor or a higher leader.

But God's words are often about actual things of God and how He rules us. For example > 

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

This is talking about the reality of obeying how God in us rules us in His own peace. This is not only an idea, then. And, of all things, you can go into a denominational group and be told all sorts of things about what they believe, but not hear a word about how it is to be personally ruled by God's own peace!

And yet this is part of our basic calling in Jesus > "in one body" we all are called to be submissive to our Father in His own peace. Yet, ones can be wondering so much about what God wants them to do . . . what they are called to . . . but they can be so confused and in question, because they do not simply obey our basic calling to submit how God's peace rules us. If they were to simply obey God in the ruling of His peace in them, then at each moment they would discover what He is calling them to do 

So, a problem I see is how people can give their main attention to arguing and proving ideas, versus first simply submitting to what our Father does with us.

But groups and even high-up leaders seem to have a way of not talking about how God wants to personally share with and guide each of us. Ones even can make it seem like we can not know or do anything unless someone higher tells us what to do and think. And then such leaders can seem distant and impersonal and out of reach . . . the way they represent God to be.

"But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him." (1 Corinthians 6:17)

"for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13)

I see not a word in certain faith statements about how God is this personal with each of His children. And after some ones have gone through even decades of study . . . not a word of this from them. So, in case a group leaves such as this out of their currency, may be they are not really a denomination of what God considers to be money.

[com7fy8]

5 hours ago, Michael37 said:

The preaching of the cross was the subject, not a piece of wood nor anything meriting insinuations of idolatry.

1Co 1:18  For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

 

13 minutes ago, NCAP said:

Crosses save no one. If I thought crosses could save me, I'd be praying to them day and night.

I would say "the cross" is an expression meaning how Jesus died for our sins. So, we do not mean to trust in and worship the wood! But yes follow the example of Jesus, of how He was loving us while on the cross > 

"And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

So, Jesus on Calvary's cross was "a sweet-smelling aroma", so pleasing to our Father, pleasing Him to reconcile with us.

16 minutes ago, NCAP said:

What you need to do is to turn to the one who saved Jesus. He didn't save himself. Someone else did.

Well . . . whatever you mean by this > Jesus was doing what He did on the cross, in order to save us from our sins. Jesus did not sin; so He did not need to be saved from sins, right?

[NCAP]

8 minutes ago, com7fy8 said:

Jesus did not sin; so He did not need to be saved from sins, right?

He needed to be saved from death, right?

7In the days of his flesh, Jesus^a offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence. (Heb. 5:7)

[NCAP]

Let's think for a moment. If Jesus was not saved from death, that means Jesus is still dead. And Christians are without a savior to save them.

Edited October 18, 2022 by NCAP

[Jedi4Yahweh]

17 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

When it comes to the Bible you do not even qualify for the first grade. It would take a lot of work to get you up to a third grade level of understanding.

I never have claimed to be an expert in God's word, but at least I believe and trust his word.  You only believe God's word if science tells you to.

What are your qualifications...other than your son is a computer engineer, which you repeatedly mention as if that makes you more qualified to understand bibical truth.

17 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

A good place to start would be Neil Degrasse Tyson's book on astrophysics. Also, I would recommend Gerald Schroeder.  PhD MIT. Tyson is agnostic. Schroeder is a professor at the Universities in Jerusalem. I realize a lot of Creation Science is garbage, but there are people out there with a little bit of understanding. I used to recommend Frances Collins, who wrote the Language of God. I do not recommend him anymore because he removed the ban on research on high risk virus, and that has payola written all over it for me. He considers himself to be a leading theistic evolutionist. But he has not put that much effort into it - so like most of what he does there are more holes in it than Swiss cheese. While we are on cheese, you may want to check into Cheddar man. 

Ironic that your first choice for explaining biblical answers is your Rabbi Neil DeGrasse Tyson, who clearly denies the God of the bible and his existence.  Speaks volumes about your faith in science, not God's word.  

Neil DeGrasse Tyson:

"God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance."

"The more I look at the universe, the more convinced there is no God."

"I want to put on the table, not why 85% of the National Academy Science rejects God, I want to know why 15% don't?"

"If there is a God, God is either not all powerful or not all good.  He can't be both."

Edited October 18, 2022 by Jedi4Yahweh

[kwikphilly]

3 hours ago, NCAP said:

He needed to be saved from death, right?

7In the days of his flesh, Jesus^a offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence. (Heb. 5:7)

Blessings

Now we all know that Jesus offered up prayers & supplication to our Heavenly Father  while in the flesh,probably even the more for the benefit of those around him.I often think of this because he certainly could have communicated with God the Father silently,especially being God the Son.. . Both fully man & fully God but He Did not ,He Always Lead by example just as we ought to do

Anyway,I get the notion( correct me if I'm wrong,please do) & not just from the above quote of this particular verse of Scripture but from other things you've posted that seem to insinuate that Jesus is not God.... No need to re- quote what this verse says but I'm just asking,what you say?

Please,take no offense,it is not my intention- I'd just like clarification and I'm not one to assume anything no matter how it might sound,easier to simply ask

With love in Christ, Kwik

[Your closest friendnt]

4 hours ago, com7fy8 said:

"faith working through love" (in Galatians 5:6)

"the love of Christ which passes knowledge" (in Ephesians 3:19)

"Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies. And if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know." (in 1 Corinthians 8:1-2)

"These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual." (1 Corinthians 2:13)

So, from this I get that God's word is not only giving us ideas to believe, but His words are talking about realities of God and His kingdom . . . which we even can experience in sharing with Him. And have words given to us, about what we are actually experiencing and can enjoy in sharing with God and one another.

There is the love meaning of God's word. My experience now is that any part of God's word can be used somehow to help us discover how God has us love.

But groups can stay with only their ideas and outward practices that even a psychopath predator can copy-cat all the way into being a pastor, of all things. A predator can use their outward show as the predator's camouflage!! There are groups who can evaluate someone only or mainly by what the person is saying and doing, not by actual character of the person. And so, any evil person with some acting ability can fool one's way into being trusted as a pastor or a higher leader.

But God's words are often about actual things of God and how He rules us. For example > 

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

This is talking about the reality of obeying how God in us rules us in His own peace. This is not only an idea, then. And, of all things, you can go into a denominational group and be told all sorts of things about what they believe, but not hear a word about how it is to be personally ruled by God's own peace!

And yet this is part of our basic calling in Jesus > "in one body" we all are called to be submissive to our Father in His own peace. Yet, ones can be wondering so much about what God wants them to do . . . what they are called to . . . but they can be so confused and in question, because they do not simply obey our basic calling to submit how God's peace rules us. If they were to simply obey God in the ruling of His peace in them, then at each moment they would discover what He is calling them to do 

So, a problem I see is how people can give their main attention to arguing and proving ideas, versus first simply submitting to what our Father does with us.

But groups and even high-up leaders seem to have a way of not talking about how God wants to personally share with and guide each of us. Ones even can make it seem like we can not know or do anything unless someone higher tells us what to do and think. And then such leaders can seem distant and impersonal and out of reach . . . the way they represent God to be.

"But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him." (1 Corinthians 6:17)

"for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13)

I see not a word in certain faith statements about how God is this personal with each of His children. And after some ones have gone through even decades of study . . . not a word of this from them. So, in case a group leaves such as this out of their currency, may be they are not really a denomination of what God considers to be money.

You touch big issues, which are very personal...and very intimate between the believer and Jesus. 

And he has given us the Holy Spirit and how Jesus is manifested in our life through the Holy Spirit...

And we have the gifts of the Holy Spirit...and the gifts are not given in full maturity but there is a continues growth as we see in the parable of the good stewards. 

And we still have the person, the believer, the recipient of the gifts who still has his own mind and his own spiritual perception and his own set mind, and he forgets that because he likes to have the mind of Christ...and there is the struggle inside him...the perceptions of his mind v, the perceptions of the mind of the Holy Spirit or Jesus for that matter...

The believer must see and recognize that this battle exist...and the first thing he is going to see is the perceptions of his mind as it happens with everyone of us...and some have the perceptions of their teachers...and not their own yet...the will say He...She...said that...the people do need leaders but not all the leaders know themselves very well and they speak like a persuasive leader...they are supposed to..and they do not want to be oppressed.. they say the Lord will correct me...but when the Lord is supposed to have correct them they do not come back to informed the people how it happens and they let the people follow them in something they used to but they do not follow or stopped follow anymore, because they have a new way of understanding and doing things...we spiritually mature and change and our mind also matures and changes his mode of operatus.