Catholics Vs. Protestants (I don't get it)

[NCAP]

34 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Blessings

Anyway,I get the notion( correct me if I'm wrong,please do) & not just from the above quote of this particular verse of Scripture but from other things you've posted that seem to insinuate that Jesus is not God.... No need to re- quote what this verse says but I'm just asking,what you say?

Please,take no offense,it is not my intention- I'd just like clarification and I'm not one to assume anything no matter how it might sound,easier to simply ask

With love in Christ, Kwik

We all get insinuations from scripture itself, and what Jesus himself insinuates. Consider the following:

Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God. (John 20:17 ESV)

Who or what God did he ascend to?

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, kwikphilly said:

Blessings

Now we all know that Jesus offered up prayers & supplication to our Heavenly Father  while in the flesh,probably even the more for the benefit of those around him.I often think of this because he certainly could have communicated with God the Father silently,especially being God the Son.. . Both fully man & fully God but He Did not ,He Always Lead by example just as we ought to do

Anyway,I get the notion( correct me if I'm wrong,please do) & not just from the above quote of this particular verse of Scripture but from other things you've posted that seem to insinuate that Jesus is not God.... No need to re- quote what this verse says but I'm just asking,what you say?

Please,take no offense,it is not my intention- I'd just like clarification and I'm not one to assume anything no matter how it might sound,easier to simply ask

With love in Christ, Kwik

Blessings Kwik, what a powerful post...and what a power to understand that Jesus left us these treasures in the scriptures for his own propose and his own reasons. 

In the example of Thomas, it is not easily understood that this was initiated from God..

And we see that from the result of Thomas inquiry...

We see that the Jesus the disciples met after the resurrection it was not a self proclaimed Jesus and the disciples were not fallen into some trap of the enemy...but were still doubts lingering in some of them or will be manifested on a later day...

And Jesus in his providence he solved these doubts by proving to them and to all of us there after that he was indeed the same Jesus whom they show being crucified and dying on the Cross..whom they left as dead on the Cross and again with the testimony of the Roman coroner who did the autopsy and pronounced Jesus dead on the Cross...

With Thomas Jesus show them his wounds not only of the nails but his wound from the spear of the Coroner of the Roman Empire's army. The wound of his spear to his side...that shows that he was already dead. Or that Jesus had died..Jesus disciples had to witness that so their hope that God will intervene and saved Jesus from the Cross would rest...right there...Jesus was dead...no hope for waiting God to intervene...no hope left for that in their understanding...it was all about this Life...

Jesus positively identified him self to them that he was he, their teacher...beyond any reasonable doubt...and also for us...

Edited October 18, 2022 by Your closest friendnt

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@kwikphilly

What are the reasons or what Jesus wants us to understand from what happened in the Garden of Geothermal the night before his arrest. 

Jesus shows the evidence of a battle going on within him..

And at the end the statement: "not my will but your will be done", and I must drink this cup, there is no other way...

Because we live after everything that took place...it is given to us to understand quite a few things because we are not in the same shoes the disciples were at that time and they fall asleep..

No we should not fall asleep but we should pursue to get a good understanding of what was the importance of the description of the events in the Garden of Gethsemane and even look to see if there is a message their for us...if there some messages for us or some of us that can be found and the Lord wants us to discover, because We are given those descriptions of the events in the Garden for some special reasons of course they are many messages in those events but the question will have to be, what is and if there is a message that can apply to our personal sircumstances. 

And that is very inspiring to know...or to seek to know...

But what is the message that it is in these events without taking into consideration our personal situations...without the bias of our personal situations...which I did not comment yet and I intend to do so in my next post. 

 

Edited October 18, 2022 by Your closest friendnt

[NCAP]

25 minutes ago, NCAP said:

We all get insinuations from scripture itself, and what Jesus himself insinuates. Consider the following:

Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God. (John 20:17 ESV)

Who or what God did he ascend to?

So, maybe "the her" in the account did as she was told and went to his brothers and said:

"Okay guys! Here is the deal: I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God"

And who knows? Maybe the brothers said: "Who is your God?"

And maybe a scribe or Pharisee stepped up at that moment and asked her: "Where is your Father?" (John 8:19)

[kwikphilly]

31 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

@kwikphilly

What are the reasons or what Jesus wants us to understand from what happened in the Garden of Geothermal the night before his arrest. 

Jesus shows the evidence of a battle going on within him..

And at the end the statement: "not my will but your will be done", and I must drink this cup, there is no other way...

Because we live after everything that took place...it is given to us to understand quite a few things because we are not in the same shoes the disciples were at that time and they fall asleep..

No we should not fall asleep but we should pursue to get a good understanding of what was the importance of the description of the events in the Garden of Gethsemane and even look to see if there is a message their for us...if there some messages for us or some of us that can be found and the Lord wants us to discover, because We are given those descriptions of the events in the Garden for some special reasons of course they are many messages in those events but the question will have to be, what is and if there is a message that can apply to our personal sircumstances. 

And that is very inspiring to know...or to seek to know...

But what is the message that it is in these events without taking into consideration our personal situations...without the bias of our personal situations...which I did not comment yet and I intend to do so in my next post. 

 

Hi and many Blessings to you Brother!

Gee,you said a mouthful about how much we can take from that night, oh that difficult night before Jesus arrest in the Garden.... I'm not sure I know where to begin and I surely can Testify as to how I've applied some lessons there in my personal life but I won't,as you have requested.

Jesus took his 3 closest friends with him and what we see is Jesus humanity,Jesus felt & went through every human emotion that any human being would go through facing (& knowing) the horrible torture & death He was about to endure- he was in such a state of dread,sorrow,anguish and even fear that he sweat droplets of blood as He earnestly prayed.

In my opinion He was not begging for another way because He (God the Son)Knew What must be Done in order to pay our debt that we may be Saved BUT He,being human Hoped there could be another way and was crying out His flesh emotions- we learn that God's Will will be Done in any event and we must Trust God

Also,Jesus shows His Disappointment in His Disciples that couldn't even stay awake as Jesus Asked they keep watch- just as we must always " stay awake,"& not succumb to temptation .... We will often be disappointed by friends,family too .And Jesus felt Betrayal that night as well...... But as I said,Jesus was Always the Exemplary Example for us,He Practiced what He Preached for those 3 and a half yrs- did He Respond to His Betrayer will anger,bitterness,resentment and did He Not turn the other cheek when His Captors seized Him?No,He even Told Peter to put down his sword.... This is the Ultimate Example of Trusting God,Loving even your enemy and Obedience .....

Oh my,I could go on & on but I'll stop here- we see the fully human Jesus.... we see the sinless man that willingly sacrificed His Life for us

Praise Jesus,in all His Glory

And as I said earlier,I also Believe Jesus Cried out Loud that Peter,John & James could hear & Testify - for us!

With love in Christ,Kwik

[kwikphilly]

1 hour ago, NCAP said:

We all get insinuations from scripture itself, and what Jesus himself insinuates. Consider the following:

Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God. (John 20:17 ESV)

Who or what God did he ascend to?

Okay,I don't get " insinuations " from Scripture,God's Word is very CLEAR. I didn't ask what God's Word Says nor did I ask you to answer with any question. .. I Know the Answer but it has zero to do with my question

It's a very simple question- do you Believe Jesus is God?

It's a simple yes or no answer

In His Love,Kwik

 

Edited October 18, 2022 by kwikphilly
spelling errors

[NCAP]

2 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Okay,I don't get " insinuations " from Scripture,God's Word is very CLEAR.

Okay, so what you are getting from me are insinuations, or in other words, bad vibes. Right?

Are my posts disturbing to you? Does it bother you that another poster may not think and view things the way you view things?

[other one]

2 minutes ago, NCAP said:

Okay, so what you are getting from me are insinuations, or in other words, bad vibes. Right?

Are my posts disturbing to you? Does it bother you that another poster may not think and view things the way you view things?

I'm not part of this thread so far, but I do mostly read these days.

It may be that people don't really understand what you are writing for it really isn't clear.   When someone asks you a direct question it isn't a good idea to add a lot of other flavor to the answer.   So I would simply like to ask:    "Do you consider Jesus as part of the three part Godhead?"   Considering that the word in both the old and new testaments translated god is used to refer to many different entities from the spiritual or heavenly realm.

Some would simply ask is Jesus God or do you deny Jesus's deity. 

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2 minutes ago, other one said:

I'm not part of this thread so far, but I do mostly read these days.

It may be that people don't really understand what you are writing for it really isn't clear.   When someone asks you a direct question it isn't a good idea to add a lot of other flavor to the answer.   So I would simply like to ask:    "Do you consider Jesus as part of the three part Godhead?"   Considering that the word in both the old and new testaments translated god is used to refer to many different entities from the spiritual or heavenly realm.

Some would simply ask is Jesus God or do you deny Jesus's deity. 

I really can't answer your question because it is not clear to me which God he ascended to. Maybe if you can answer that CLEARLY, that is, who or what God he ascended to, I won't be left trying to figure out what he was talking about.

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16 minutes ago, NCAP said:

Okay, so what you are getting from me are insinuations, or in other words, bad vibes. Right?

Are my posts disturbing to you? Does it bother you that another poster may not think and view things the way you view things?

So here we go,round n round the mulberry bush

Bad vibes? No,no ," vibes" at all- I asked a question & you won't answer it because you must fear your answer will be in opposition of our Statement of Faith,if it was not you'd simply answer.

I don't really care who does & who does not have the same views as I do,however if one denies Jesus Deity it is concerning.