Charismatic gifts such as prophecies and tongues

[Jedi4Yahweh]

1 minute ago, Dave-regenerated said:

No I don't agree with Catholicism because I am not a Catholic.  But you could have just asked me that first in a nice friendly way.

Me asking you for a sources is considered not being nice???

[Not of the World]

Several posters here have posted about their own experiences and I am inclined to believe them.  But let me ask this.  Is it possible for dark spirits to involve themselves in such things?  In other words, how do we know that someone speaking in tongues is inspired by God?  

[Dave-regenerated]

1 minute ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Me asking you for a sources is considered not being nice???

It seemed to me you were insinuating I was Catholic even though I said I wasn't.  

Asking for sources makes sense if you don't know any better I suppose.

[Dave-regenerated]

1 minute ago, Not of the World said:

Several posters here have posted about their own experiences and I am inclined to believe them.  But let me ask this.  Is it possible for dark spirits to involve themselves in such things?  In other words, how do we know that someone speaking in tongues is inspired by God?  

Because it is either 1) fraudulent 2) mistaken 3) demonic

[Jedi4Yahweh]

2 minutes ago, Dave-regenerated said:

It seemed to me you were insinuating I was Catholic even though I said I wasn't.  

Asking for sources makes sense if you don't know any better I suppose.

I never insinuated you where Catholic I just asked if you agreed with Augustine's other catholic based doctrines because Catholics love to quote Augustine as an authoritative source.

Edited October 24, 2022 by Jedi4Yahweh

[Dave-regenerated]

2 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

I never insinuated you where Catholic I just asked if you agreed with Augustine's other catholic based doctrines because Catholics love to quote Augustine as an authoritative source.

No.

[kwikphilly]

37 minutes ago, Not of the World said:

Amazing post, thank you so much!

Always a pleasure- God Bless you- Praising Jesus !!!!

In His Love,Kwik

[Starise]

7 minutes ago, Not of the World said:

Several posters here have posted about their own experiences and I am inclined to believe them.  But let me ask this.  Is it possible for dark spirits to involve themselves in such things?  In other words, how do we know that someone speaking in tongues is inspired by God?  

There was a poster here that posted a connection to the kundalini spirit which is often associated with yoga. Said to be a feminine entity , connecting to some apostate charismatic activity. This is really just a demon called the kundalini spirit that can possess non believers. I believe he was onto something with these ideas. I have seen some of the outward signs of this possession. They resemble the same things we see in some of these charismatic services. I not only think it's possible. I believe it happens on a regular basis. When the man of sin arrives he will duplicate miracles through "lying signs and wonders". We see many of these fake signs even now.

The main way we can know if the things we see are legit or not are if they go by the tee to everything in the bible. No deviation from it at all. 

- Is the leader teaching everything the bible says without adding to or omitting any of it?

-Is God getting the glory in the service, or are these things a distraction FROM God?

- Does it make the service go better, easier to understand, strengthen the message, confirm, or does it create chaos and confusion?

It would be very easy to stage a service where a person has a vision or speaks in an unknown tongue with an accompanying 'confirmation'. This is why I think we look at the teaching end of it first to determine if the foundations are solid.

When Jesus fed the 5000 most of them left after the food ran out. When you have a "miracle" service, MANY people could care less about following God. They just want to be healed. In these kinds of settings people go looking for some kind of  manifestation, something that looks supernatural, so Satan gives them what they are looking for.

In my opinion, churches and meetings which are more circumspect and don't have these occurrences on a regular basis are the better choices since you can tell they aren't FOCUSED on these kinds of things. I don't believe this is to be our FOCUS. If it happens according to the bible, then who can argue against it? This is seldom the case. It is truly sad that the most exposure the world has to many things Christian will be from an apostate televangelist on TV.

[Not of the World]

12 minutes ago, Starise said:

There was a poster here that posted a connection to the kundalini spirit which is often associated with yoga. Said to be a feminine entity , connecting to some apostate charismatic activity. This is really just a demon called the kundalini spirit that can possess non believers. I believe he was onto something with these ideas. I have seen some of the outward signs of this possession. They resemble the same things we see in some of these charismatic services. I not only think it's possible. I believe it happens on a regular basis. When the man of sin arrives he will duplicate miracles through "lying signs and wonders". We see many of these fake signs even now.

The main way we can know if the things we see are legit or not are if they go by the tee to everything in the bible. No deviation from it at all. 

- Is the leader teaching everything the bible says without adding to or omitting any of it?

-Is God getting the glory in the service, or are these things a distraction FROM God?

- Does it make the service go better, easier to understand, strengthen the message, confirm, or does it create chaos and confusion?

It would be very easy to stage a service where a person has a vision or speaks in an unknown tongue with an accompanying 'confirmation'. This is why I think we look at the teaching end of it first to determine if the foundations are solid.

When Jesus fed the 5000 most of them left after the food ran out. When you have a "miracle" service, MANY people could care less about following God. They just want to be healed. In these kinds of settings people go looking for some kind of  manifestation, something that looks supernatural, so Satan gives them what they are looking for.

In my opinion, churches and meetings which are more circumspect and don't have these occurrences on a regular basis are the better choices since you can tell they aren't FOCUSED on these kinds of things. I don't believe this is to be our FOCUS. If it happens according to the bible, then who can argue against it? This is seldom the case. It is truly sad that the most exposure the world has to many things Christian will be from an apostate televangelist on TV.

Great post.  I believe that you practice excellent discernment my brother. 

[Jedi4Yahweh]

1 hour ago, Starise said:

There was a poster here that posted a connection to the kundalini spirit which is often associated with yoga. Said to be a feminine entity , connecting to some apostate charismatic activity. This is really just a demon called the kundalini spirit that can possess non believers. I believe he was onto something with these ideas. I have seen some of the outward signs of this possession. They resemble the same things we see in some of these charismatic services. I not only think it's possible. I believe it happens on a regular basis. When the man of sin arrives he will duplicate miracles through "lying signs and wonders". We see many of these fake signs even now.

The main way we can know if the things we see are legit or not are if they go by the tee to everything in the bible. No deviation from it at all. 

- Is the leader teaching everything the bible says without adding to or omitting any of it?

-Is God getting the glory in the service, or are these things a distraction FROM God?

- Does it make the service go better, easier to understand, strengthen the message, confirm, or does it create chaos and confusion?

It would be very easy to stage a service where a person has a vision or speaks in an unknown tongue with an accompanying 'confirmation'. This is why I think we look at the teaching end of it first to determine if the foundations are solid.

When Jesus fed the 5000 most of them left after the food ran out. When you have a "miracle" service, MANY people could care less about following God. They just want to be healed. In these kinds of settings people go looking for some kind of  manifestation, something that looks supernatural, so Satan gives them what they are looking for.

In my opinion, churches and meetings which are more circumspect and don't have these occurrences on a regular basis are the better choices since you can tell they aren't FOCUSED on these kinds of things. I don't believe this is to be our FOCUS. If it happens according to the bible, then who can argue against it? This is seldom the case. It is truly sad that the most exposure the world has to many things Christian will be from an apostate televangelist on TV.

I would be very cautious in making that assumption.  Religious leaders of Jesus's day tried to make that demonic connection to Jesus's miracles.  The Pharisees and Scribes were calling Jesus miracles he performed were from Beelzebub the prince of demons. In essence they were calling the Holy Spirit a demonic spirit.

But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, "It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons." ... And if I cast out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they will be your judges. But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. ... Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. - Mat 12:24, 27-28, 31-32

I think this is a very scary warning that we all need to listen to and take with much caution.  I am not saying that everyone that speaks in an unknown language is of God but we have to use much decrement and caution and not assume just because born again believers are speaking in tounges its a kundalini spirit.

Edited October 24, 2022 by Jedi4Yahweh