Could there be Multiple Raptures?

[The Light]

24 minutes ago, George said:

So do you connect this to the time after a wedding takes place that a man is to be with his wife and not go to war?

No, I did not. But that makes total sense.

[The Light]

1 hour ago, George said:

Actually, it would be the BARLEY harvest -- the firstfruits ... study how that is harvested and when?

Then you have a WHEAT harvest -- which is late summer ... and how that is harvested.

Then you have a FALL harvest of grapes etc ... study each of these and it'll help round out your understanding.

I don't see the barley harvest as the first fruits. I think each harvest has a first fruits. Jesus is considered the first fruits of the dead in Christ. I consider the barley harvest, the dead in Christ. The wheat harvest is the alive Church of which there was a first fruits. The barley and wheat cakes are presented on Pentecost. As far as the tribulum being used in a wheat harvest I don't believe this applies to the Church being in the final 6 years of tribulation. After the wheat harvest part of Israel will have its eyes opened as the fullness of the Gentile will be in. As for the Jews they will realize they have missed the harvest.

Jeremiah 8

20 The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.

Then the fall fruit harvest has another 144,000 first fruits. This is NOT a symbolic number but is actual. If the 144,000 from the 12 tribes across the earth are the first fruits, this harvest is of the 12 tribes, the seed of the Woman, Israel. We can see the harvest at the 6th seal.

Also, Jacob had two brides and had to work 7 more years for the chosen bride.

Gods plan was for Israel to be the first harvest, as God saw the fathers of the Israel as the first fruits of the first harvest. But they served other Gods and therefore would not be the 1st harvest. The Gentiles will be the 1st harvest. 

Hosea 9

10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

The fig tree has two harvests. The first will be the mostly Gentile Church. Then part of Israel will have its blindness removed. It will be the seed of the woman that the dragon goes after when he can't get to the woman as she will be in her place of protection.

Only the nation of Israel that fled to a place of protection and unbelievers will be in the wrath of God as none of God's people are appointed to wrath.

[George]

8 minutes ago, The Light said:

I think each harvest has a first fruits

Can you show that from Scripture?  Just curious.

[George]

13 minutes ago, The Light said:

The fig tree has two harvests.

Most would see this as the beginning of the age when the body of Messiah was entirely Jewish up to Cornelius ... then the end of the age when the fulness of the Gentiles comes in.   However, you're being astute in recognizing that the Fig Tree is the only tree that can produce fruit twice in a single year.  Most people never study the actual harvest of fruits in Israel to understand the deeper implications that may be hidden in plain sight.  😀

[The Light]

6 minutes ago, George said:

Can you show that from Scripture?  Just curious.

1 Corinthians 15

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

Revelation 14

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Jesus is the 1st fruits of those that sleep. And we have another first fruits, the 144,000, which are the first fruits of the harvest at the 6th seal. Here is the harvest that occurs at the 6th seal.

Revelation 14

14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

We can see it is the fall fruits harvest just before the wrath of God.

 

[George]

@The Light I was referring to the different harvest themselves.  I see the discussion touching the idea of multiple harvests ... and you could correlate such a view if you took the idea of different types of harvest (barley and winnowing, wheat and a tribullum, grapes and a sickle) not to mention the four corners that were not harvested to be left for thr poor.

There are other implications that could be at work.

Even grapes ... there are different types of grapes to be harvested in different ways to produce different kinds of wine.  

This was the point I was making.  It's a topic that should be explored in love.  😀

[The Light]

26 minutes ago, George said:

 Most people never study the actual harvest of fruits in Israel to understand the deeper implications that may be hidden in plain sight.  😀

I think many things in scripture are hidden in plain sight. And many things are not hidden at all and yet we fall off the path because we search for answers and the answers are already given.

[Alive]

I do not believe anyone alive today understands the letter of Revelations and since most eschatology is anchored there….most positions are subject to much doubt.

There are precious few things we can know for sure, and even those have to be held loosely.

He ducks for cover.

I agree with George in that these things distract from the mission. Bear fruit as God works in us and be salt and a light.

Edited December 15, 2022 by Alive
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[George]

On 11/13/2022 at 8:05 AM, AdHoc said:

And so, that is how we need the Bible to interpret the Bible. If it is left to men to interpret they come up with the wrong answer. The theologians who did not use the Bible came up with the idea that Adam must have died "spiritually". This is wrong for two reasons:
1. A spirit cannot die. There is no record of it and Luke 20:35-36 says that angels, which are spirits, cannot die
2. Adam dying spiritually presupposes that he had spiritual life. But he did not ever eat of the Tree of Life.

There are some assumption in this post.  No where does it say that Adam did NOT eat of the Tree of Life.  If you notice the Tree of Life in Revelation, it was given 12 kinds of fruit, monthly and continued to produce fruit.  The asssumption is if Adam ate the fruit ONE time he would be eternal ... I think the Scripture seems to indicate it's an ongoing process in eternity.  Why would it give us a clue of 12 kinds of fruit monthly if it wasn't? 

[George]

On 11/19/2022 at 3:05 PM, Vine Abider said:

Also, I tend to think the number in chapter 7 is literal, as it spells-out specifically how many from each tribe; the number in chapter 14 then may be figurative . . . most commentators don't seem to know. But this is just an unsubstantiated hunch. In any case, most all agree it is a number showing ultimate completion times a thousand.

Did Joseph actually ever have a tribe?  Or why is the tribe of Dan missing?  Or better yet, why is Ephraim missing ... when Manasseh is mentioned?  There is more than meets the eye with the passage.