Is the U.S. the "Great Whore of Babylon"?

[Biblican]

23 hours ago, missmuffet said:

The Lion in the book of Revelation refers to Jesus Christ. 

The lion that refers to Jesus in Revelation is in Revelation 4:5, He's the Lion of the tribe of Judah.

The lion in Rev. 13 correlates to the lion in Daniel  7:4 that represents the Babylonian empire. 

[missmuffet]

5 minutes ago, Biblican said:

The lion that refers to Jesus in Revelation is in Revelation 4:5, He's the Lion of the tribe of Judah.

The lion in Rev. 13 correlates to the lion in Daniel  7:4 that represents the Babylonian empire. 

There no mention of a lion in Revelation 4:5

Revelation 4:5

And from the throne proceeded lightnings,thunderings, and voices. Seven lamps of fire were burning before the throne, which are the^[seven Spirits of God.

Suit yourself. The Lion in Revelation 13 refers to Jesus Christ. 

[Biblican]

On 11/2/2022 at 11:05 AM, Jedi4Yahweh said:

I believe Mystery Babylon spoken of in Rev 18 is NYC.

Rev 18 says MB is a 'great' merchant CITY that has seaports and does business with the entire world and reigns over the kings of the earth.  The word 'great city' refers to 'mega city' in greek.  NYC is the world's largest mega city and is the wealthiest exporter and importer of goods of all cities in the world.  NYC has been dubbed the "Captial of the World" due to trade alliances and diplomacy with the world.  NYC also is the home of United Nations HQ which reigns over the kings of the earth.  MB is said to be responsible for the blood of the prophets and saints, therefore people assume this is referring to Jews and therefore Jerusalem, but did you know the NYC has more Jews living there than any other city in the world.  Jerusalem is not a merchant city much less a "mega" city and also has no seaports.  Also says MB will be destroyed and will never shine a light in her again nor the voice of the bridegroom be ever heard in her again. No light nor bridegroom. If this is referring to Jerusalem being destroyed this poses a huge problem if Messiah is coming back to rule from Jerusalem when He is the Light of the Nations and He is also called the Bridegroom.  MB is described as a proud Queen (Statue of Liberty) who sits upon the waters, who says I will never see sorrow, and represents many people and nationalities.  NYC is the melting pot of the world, with the world's largest mix of nationalities and ethnicities. Jerusalem has been conquered many times and has seen many sorrows and does sit upon the waters and does not represent many nationalities.  This MB was a mystery city, meaning a city that had not been revealed to John...Jerusalem or Rome was no mystery to John during his day.

I agree. While the United States as a whole is not Babylon, the Babylonian empire had a representative city and New York fits the picture. Before I understood that the winged lion in Daniel represented Babylon, I had a dream that a winged lion was standing behind the Statue of liberty. In the spiritual level, however, Babylon also represents an apostate church  that will allow herself to be carried by the beast. This is why the beast hates her and turns on her in the end. What led people to believe that she was Rome was her colors (Rev. 17:4) which match the colors of the Catholic church, but those colors were first associated with the Jews in  Proverbs 31:21,22.  Also there are seven hills around Jerusalem, not just Rome.

[Biblican]

37 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

There no mention of a lion in Revelation 4:5

Revelation 4:5

And from the throne proceeded lightnings,thunderings, and voices. Seven lamps of fire were burning before the throne, which are the^[seven Spirits of God.

Suit yourself. The Lion in Revelation 13 refers to Jesus Christ. 

Sorry I mistyped, Jesus is the Lion in Rev. 5:5. Ask yourself, the beast in Revelation is the last evil world empire. Why would Jesus be part of it's construction? You can't understand the symbolism in Revelation properly unless you study Daniel. The animals that comprise the beast's body represented three previous world empires in Daniel and the Lion represents Babylon in Daniel. To insist that it represents Jesus isn't logical based on the scriptural evidence.

[missmuffet]

47 minutes ago, Biblican said:

Sorry I mistyped, Jesus is the Lion in Rev. 5:5. Ask yourself, the beast in Revelation is the last evil world empire. Why would Jesus be part of it's construction? You can't understand the symbolism in Revelation properly unless you study Daniel. The animals that comprise the beast's body represented three previous world empires in Daniel and the Lion represents Babylon in Daniel. To insist that it represents Jesus isn't logical based on the scriptural evidence.

Revelation 5:5 It is a description of Christ, "the Lion of the tribe of Judah,the Root of David". The allusion to the lion is a reference to Genesis 49:9-10, where it is predicted that the future ruler of the earth would come from the tribe of Judah,the lion tribe, which is the tribe into which Jesus was born. 

[Michael37]

7 hours ago, missmuffet said:

 

Suit yourself. The Lion in Revelation 13 refers to Jesus Christ. 

False. The beast from the sea is described as having a mouth like a lion. It is simply a metaphorical way of communicating the fierce sound of the Blasphemous Empire Actualising Satanic Tyranny.

[missmuffet]

8 hours ago, Michael37 said:

False. The beast from the sea is described as having a mouth like a lion. It is simply a metaphorical way of communicating the fierce sound of the Blasphemous Empire Actualising Satanic Tyranny.

Suit yourself. 

[Biblican]

22 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Revelation 5:5 It is a description of Christ, "the Lion of the tribe of Judah,the Root of David". The allusion to the lion is a reference to Genesis 49:9-10, where it is predicted that the future ruler of the earth would come from the tribe of Judah,the lion tribe, which is the tribe into which Jesus was born. 

I agree. The Lion of Judah in Rev. 5:5 is Jesus and is prophesized in Genesis as you said. The lion in Rev. 13, is symbolic of Babylon and a world power in the last days  that is part of the last one world government.

[Desopixi Seilynam]

"Mystery Babylon the great, the mother of all harlots and abominations of the earth."
Revelation 17:4-5

They call themselves the mystery schools.

Three city states secretly rule the world;
Vatican City, The City of London and Washington D.C.
They each answer to the same one clandestine king.
In the past his kingship was not very secret,
in the future his kingship will be out in the open, again.

The first beast of Revelation 13 is that clandestine king,
seemingly healed from death in some marvelous world changing way.
 The second beast is the false prophet,
one claiming to be Jesus and yet, venerating, the first beast.

[DPMartin]

On 11/2/2022 at 4:54 AM, Not of the World said:

I've heard some say that it's the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) but I believe that the depraved U.S. culture (Godless, abortion, same-sex relationships, pedophilia, transgenderism, etc.) has a greater and more evil influence upon the world.  

But perhaps I'm misunderstanding the verses.  What are your thoughts, please?

The daughters of Babylon go from Babylon to Persian/Medes to Greece to Rome and the children of Rome as in Europe and England then the US of A. so yea that’s very posable. But the western cultures including Rome have a long history of decadence and debauchery. 

If my memory serves when the Lord would callout Israel and call them whores or that they go a whoring, its usually that they follow after someone else, or other god’s and disregard Him. Like a wife would when she has disdain for her husband. Today’s version would be a leader betraying his people for gain and influences. and He can say that because they had a covenant with Him and they betrayed it, hence betraying the Lord their God.