Is it possible that homosexuality is a birth defect?

[Ghostdog]

the word "retard" is french for slow but people have abused the word so much that its offencive now

[Jayne]

39 minutes ago, believeinHim said:

I believe the verse is, "I am the chief of sinners" not I was born a sinner, But I will have to check versions.

Believe that children and babies are born sinners is in the Apocrphyl texts, Not the New Testament. However, I thought you were opposed to the Apocraphyl texts ! 

You are right.  I am quite opposed to extra-Biblical writings that do not contain the truth.

And....Paul did call himself the"chief of sinners".  He felt horrible for his part in having Christians murdered before he was saved.

I gave you a verse in the New Testament that explained being born a sinner.

Here are two more that another poster gave:

Ephesians 2:3 "We were once by nature children of wrath."

"That which is born of the flesh is flesh" "In the flesh no good thing dwells"  John 3:6 & Romans 7:18

"By nature" and "born of"  - that means born sinful.

That's five verses in total so fat - two from the Old Testament and three from the New Testament.

When do you think people become sinners?

[Dennis1209]

20 hours ago, Not of the World said:

There's a simple solution. Get government out of the marriage business. 

Exactly! Government does not belong in the church or marriage. Our government has far exceeded its Constitutional authority in every aspect of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. 

[Not of the World]

20 minutes ago, Slibhin said:

I'm sure you put your money where your mouth is and don't take any tax deductibles that apply to married couples.

 

[Marathoner]

5 hours ago, Jayne said:

The medical term "mentally retarded" is not what is offensive.

I have a mentally retarded brother.

It when people use the term "retard" as an adjective to mock people that is cruel.

Agreed. Mockery has no place among us. 

As @Ghostdog points out, retard is a French term which means "slow." That's not always the case with neurological affliction. 

"Mentally disabled" isn't rendered in obedience to political correctness; it's a medically accurate phrase which encompasses a broad swathe of neuroatypical conditions. That's all. 

As for myself, I think "retarded" more aptly describes maladies which impact physical growth and development. But then, that's just my opinion on the matter. 

[Omegaman 3.0]

12 hours ago, kwikphilly said:

Hasn't anyone heard- sticks n stones will break my bones but names can never hurt me!?👍

My mom taught me that as a child (except with her is was "words can never hurt me"! I said that to Tommy, the neighborhood bully, and he  picked up a baseball bat and broke my shin!

Actually, I made that last part up. In reality, I took her lesson to heart, and incorporated it into my being. However, not everyone has done that. Some people are it seems, easily hurt by words. There are even some, who seem to make a lifestyle our of being offended. Still, it does no harm to keep their sensitivities in mind. Kindness is a good thing.

[Omegaman 3.0]

7 hours ago, Slibhin said:

I'm sure you put your money where your mouth is and don't take any tax deductibles that apply to married couples.

Avoiding taxes (avoiding, not evading) is the patriotic thing to do. Tax law is not only about raising revenue, it is about incentivizing desirable behaviors.

[Jayne]

19 hours ago, believeinHim said:

Paul is not Jesus. Paul was the chief sinner of the persecution of Christians. Paul may have felt guilty, Thus leading him to make this exclamation. 

Jesus did not condemn, Nor call children sinners. Jesus loved children, and was very fond of them. 

Sister, we are just going to have to agree to disagree.  Myself and another poster have given you six verses that explain that we are sinners from birth.  And there are more.

Yes, Jesus loved children very much. He also loved Paul - a horrible sinner before his salvation experience.  Jesus also loved the rich young ruler - a man who rejected Jesus.

Jesus loves sinners.  Jesus died for the sinners.

Are you thinking that when the Bible says that we are born sinners that I am saying babies are "bad" and that Jesus does not love them?  I'm not.

I'm saying what the Bible says that we are born with an inclination to sin.  We don't sin yet as infants, but the sin nature is there from birth.  And doing the wrong things comes pretty soon.

Let me give you an example.

When I was three years old, my 18 month old brother was in his little developmental walker toddling around following me.  That aggrevated me.  Why?  I had wanted to play with my dolls and my mother said no.  I had to watch my brother while she was cooking or something.  Well, he wheeled around and ran over my toe.  Twice.  It hurt!!  He didn't mean to.  It was an accident.

I was already mad and now my toes were in pain.  So, what did I do?  I reached down and took his little arm, raised it to my mouth, and I bit him as hard as I could!

He starts screaming, my mother looks at his arm and start spanking me, and it turns into a brouhaha.

You see, even at three-years-old, I knew EXACTLY what I was doing and knew it was wrong.

Yet, Jesus loved me.  NOT for biting my brother, but because he created me and died for my sins.

Why did I get mad at my mother and bite my brother?

Because I was born with an inclination to sin.  So says the Bible - many times.

I am not saying that babies are "bad".  I am saying what the Bible says.  Sin is our nature.  It says that over and over.  That's why we need Jesus, who loves us, from birth.

 

 

Edited November 12, 2022 by Jayne

[JohnR7]

On 11/11/2022 at 8:29 PM, Marathoner said:

As for myself, I think "retarded" more aptly describes maladies which impact physical growth and development. But then, that's just my opinion on the matter. 

Change in Terminology: “Mental Retardation” to “Intellectual Disability”

A Rule by the Social Security Administration on 08/01/2013

[JohnR7]

13 hours ago, Jayne said:

Sister, we are just going to have to agree to disagree.  Myself and another poster have given you six verses that explain that we are sinners from birth. 

Most likely six quotes from Paul that misunderstand what he was saying.