Do you believe in the "Miracle at Fatima"?

[missmuffet]

1 minute ago, farouk said:

@missmuffet Some ppl can't tell the big difference between the 'miracle at Fatima' and the miracle at Cana: yet the Cana one is attested by Scripture while the other is not.............

The miracle at Cana was performed by Jesus Christ. Very different. 

[farouk]

5 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

The miracle at Cana was performed by Jesus Christ. Very different. 

@missmuffet Indeed and Scripture assures us it really happened....

[missmuffet]

11 minutes ago, farouk said:

@missmuffet Indeed and Scripture assures us it really happened....

Yes, the miracle in Cana is in the Bible. 

[Dennis1209]

On 12/5/2022 at 8:55 AM, Jayne said:

First, you say you believe it.  Then you question it.  Which is it?

I'm not saying that these children and others did not see what they claimed to.  I am saying what they saw was demonic.  The proof of that is in the message.

Not all Catholics believe the story, but Catholicism is full of the practices commanded by "Mary" and the "angel".  The message has a little bit of truth - that  God and Jesus are unhappy with the sins of mankind. This part is TRUE! The devil is really adept at mixing the truth with lies – bending the truth – putting his spin on it and thereby deceiving the hearts of countless millions of people.  A little truth – a lot of lies.

I did a lot of research on Fatima, the messages, and the doctrines taken from them about 7 years ago.  I found my notes.  Here is a summary of some of the false teachings declared by "Mary" and the "angel".

• LIE #1 = The way to salvation is through devotion to the Immaculate [sinless] Heart of Mary and through mankind sacrificing for others and through reparations and doing penance.  Neither "Mary"  nor the "angel"  at Fatima mentioned the shed blood of Jesus Christ.  In fact, "Mary" said that God wanted everyone to be devoted to her Immaculate [sinless] heart.

 

• LIE #2 = The  "angel" [whom they said looked like a 15 year old boy] said,  "Offer up everything in your power as a sacrifice to the Lord in reparation for the sins by which He is offended, and in supplication for the conversion of sinners . . . More than all else, accept and bear with resignation the sufferings that God may send you."  We can make NO sacrifices for sinners.

 

• LIE #3 = From "Mary".  "Pray the Rosary every day in honor of Our Lady of the Rosary to obtain peace in the world . . . for she alone can save it."  No need to explain the heresy there.

 

• LIE #4 = From "Mary".  "Jesus wishes to establish devotion to my Immaculate Heart in the world. I promise salvation to those who embrace it and their souls will be loved by God as flowers placed by me before His throne."  "Mary" is saying here that Jesus Christ has declared his mother to be born sinless and as  Immaculate - never sinned.   She can promise salvation to no one.

 

• LIE #5 = From "Mary".  "Sacrifice yourselves for sinners and say often whenever you make a sacrifice: 'O Jesus, it is for love of You, for the conversion of sinners, and in reparation for the offenses committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary."

 

• LIE #6 = From "Mary".  "Pray much and make sacrifices for sinners, for many souls go to hell because there is no one to make sacrifices for them."  Jesus Christ is and was and will be the ONLY sacrifice for sin.  The idea of people making sacrifices to save the lost is of the devil.

 

• LIE #7 = From "Mary".  "I will never leave you, my Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and the way that will lead you to God."  The Bible teaches that God is our refuge and strength.  Mary was not Immaculate - not sinless.  She is dead and can lead humanity nowhere.  Not even to God. 

 

• LIE #8  From "Mary".  "Have pity on the Heart of your most Holy Mother. It is covered with thorns with which ungrateful men pierce it at every moment, and there is no one to remove them with an act of reparation."  We have not sinned against Mary, but against the ONLY holy one - God, the Most High.  Mary is not holy.  We owe her no reparations.

 

• LIE #9  From "Mary".  "Do you at least try to console me and announce in my name that I promise to assist at the hour of death with the graces necessary for salvation all those who, on the first Saturday of five consecutive months, go to Confession and receive Holy Communion, recite the Rosary and keep me company for 15 minutes while meditating on the mysteries of the Rosary with the intention of making reparation to me."  Mary can save NO ONE.  She is NOT in charge of God's grace of salvation!!!  And reciting the Rosary and making reparations to Mary will save NO ONE.

There is more.  I will stop here.   It's just so very, very sad that people not only believe this but practice the "commands".  These messages are so obviously demonic.

I agree with your assessment. I researched and read some reporting and eyewitness accounts that are still available. The glistening of the object dancing around in the sky, rain-soaked people being burned and drying out quickly, etc.

The term UFO or flying saucer was not coined in the early 20^th century, and Aviation had yet to make its way to this desolate area. As with the government’s official disclosure that UAPs exist and their official short report. These reeks of a coming great deception people are believing and accepting.

For some time, we have been exposed to myriads of demigods, superhumans, UFOs, alien programs, movies, SETI, crackpot scientists, documentaries flooding the entertainment industry, talk shows, science, and media today. We have been programmed not to react like H.G. Wells’s War of the Worlds broadcast over the airwaves.

In the Tribulation, all the miracles of the Two Witnesses, False Prophet, flying angel, etc., appear to be everyday life. Nothing to see here, citizen of the world; move on.

When scripture mentions something twice, it is to get our attention, for emphasis, not to be missed. In Matthew chapter 24, we are told not once, twice, or three times, but FOUR TIMES not to be deceived.

Evolution theory will be with us until the return of Jesus. Many scientists now admit that DNA is so complex that it could not have evolved independently. It had to be created and engineered by someone, and a new theory had to be developed. The theory gaining traction and acceptance is now called “panspermia.”

Advanced intelligent life seeded the universe in hopes that the seed would find a favorable place to evolve and develop.

There is an end-time application to these events and conditioning, no doubt.

[TheBlade]

"Miracle at Fatima". Were told to test the spirits. Did or could something have happened that day? Yes.. was it of God? No. We will never see Paul or Peter or John let alone Mary. Nothing but nothing goes before Christ. God a God of the living yet are dead/sleeping and with the Father. When He says not to talk to the dead.. that would be also mean all of the 12 or any other that has died and are now with the Father. 

Take Muslims there are not countless stories of them seeing Mary. No its Christ they see for salvation comes from no other. He not Mary is the way the truth and the life. No where are we ever told to talk to Mary to then talk to Jesus. We just don't think of how this effects her. Yeah she like say Paul never ever wanted you to see them but Christ. I am not here to offend. All one has to do is ask the spirit to confess Yeshua as lord to have it confess its by the blood of Jesus we are washed. 

[Waggles]

On 12/6/2022 at 3:25 AM, Not of the World said:

You said that Mary is dead.  Do you believe that all Christians are dead until the resurrection?

yes - that is what scripture teaches.

[Waggles]

On 12/5/2022 at 8:13 PM, Not of the World said:

I do.  Am I wrong to believe that story?

11:13  For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 
2Co 11:14  And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
11:15  So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

2:8  And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming. 
2Thess 2:9  The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,
2:10  and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 

[Not of the World]

On 12/7/2022 at 5:34 PM, Waggles said:

2Thess 2:9  The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,

Thank you.

[Waggles]

What does Our Lady of Fátima have to do with Russia and Ukraine?

On March 15, the Vatican announced that Pope Francis will consecrate Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary during a penance service.

What is the story of Our Lady of Fátima?
Our Lady of Fátima is one of several 20th-century Marian apparitions the Vatican has deemed authentic. In 1917, Mary made six appearances to child shepherds in Fátima, Portugal, which inspired a global surge in devotion to Our Lady of the Rosary. Mary asked 9-year-old Lucia dos Santos and her cousins Francisco and Jacinta Marto, ages 8 and 6, to pray the rosary daily for world peace and the end of World War I.

What does Fátima have to do with Russia?
Asking Mary’s intercession for the conversion of Russia has been a recurrent priority of the church in the last 100 years. At Fátima, Mary asked that Russia be consecrated to her Immaculate Heart. In 1929, she renewed her request in an appearance to Lucia, who was then preparing for life as a religious sister.

On Oct. 13, 1942, in the thick of the Second World War, Pope Pius XII consecrated the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Ten years later, during the Cold War, he specifically consecrated the Russian people to her Immaculate Heart, in the hopes Mary would intercede in bringing about “a true peace, fraternal concord, and the freedom due to all people.” Pope Paul VI renewed this consecration during the Second Vatican Council.

Fatima and Russia

[Waggles]

Fatima (1917) is undoubtedly the most prophetic of modern apparitions. The first and second parts of the secret - which are here published in sequence so as to complete the documentation - refer especially to the frightening vision of hell, devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, the Second World War, and finally the prediction of the immense damage that Russia would do to humanity by abandoning the Christian faith and embracing Communist totalitarianism. 

Our Lady Of Fatima Miracle 

Fatima and Russia’s ‘Errors’

In 1917, World War I was still raging, and the Russian Revolution broke out in October. The Virgin indicated that Russia would be the instrument through which God chastised the world for its sins. Russia, she said, would spread its “errors.” For the most part, Fátima scholars understand the “errors” to be those of Communism. The Virgin predicted that wars and persecutions would be rampant, various nations would be annihilated, good people would be martyred, and the pope would suffer much.

"When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given you by God that He is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine, and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father. "To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of Reparation on the First Saturdays. If My requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, various nations will be annihilated. In the end, My Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to Me, and she will be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world.

I do wonder if "Mary's" concerns have to do with the following prophecy -

Rev 18:2  And he cried with a mighty voice, saying, Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, and is become a habitation of demons, and prison of every unclean spirit, and prison of every unclean and hateful bird. 
3  For by the wine of the wrath of her fornication all the nations are fallen, and the kings of the earth committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth waxed rich by the power of her luxury. 
4  And I heard another voice from heaven, saying Come forth, my people, out of her, that ye have no fellowship with her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues: 
5  for her *sins are heaped up even unto *heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. 
6  Render to her even as she rendered, and redouble to her according to her works: in the cup which she mingled, mingle to her double. 
7  However much she glorified herself, and waxed luxurious, so much give her of torment and mourning: because she saith in her heart [that], I sit as queen, and am no widow, and shall in no wise see mourning. 
8  Therefore in one day shall her plagues come, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire; for strong is the Lord God who judged her. 
9  And the kings of the earth, who committed fornication with her and lived luxuriously, shall weep and wail over her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, 
10  standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Woe, woe, the great city, Babylon, the strong city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.