Did God restore Israel in 1948?

[WilliamL]

31 minutes ago, dad2 said:

Revelation spells that out in months and days and years. The Great Tribulation is the last half of the 7 years. Many call the seven years the tribulation or wrath period. You can call it whatever you like as long as you believe it.

I call it pure bunk, because it is based upon presumptions without scriptural evidence, only mere suppositions..

32 minutes ago, dad2 said:

What should be posted is the details and results of your decades long quest, not the patting yourself on the back.

Since you called "nonsense" based upon no evidence to back it up, you don't then have the right to claim my "details and results of your decades long quest" must be posted.

Read Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision; the Scientific American "Historical Eclipses," Oct. 1982, pp. 174-75; Julian Morgenstern's "The Three Calendars of Ancient Israel" and "The Gates of Righteousness," Hebrew Union College Annual 1924, pp. 13-28 and HUCA 1929 pp. 18-19, 32, 37; and Wacholder and Weisburg "Visibulity of the New Moon in Cuneiform and Rabbinic Sources," HUCA 1971, pp. 227-42; and "Temples," The Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, Scribner's, 1921: 12:242, 245; for a few starters. Then maybe we could discuss what you found, and we could hold an intelligent discussion.

[dad2]

2 hours ago, Keras said:

The ancient historical records and even the traditions and legends, generally do not prove the fulfilment of most of the Bible Prophesies. 

The fact is; that we wait for their fulfilment, for the dramatic and world changing events as Prophesied from Revelation 6:12, to Revelation 19:10. 

WE Christians are the Lords servants, He has told us what will happen. Rev 1:1

Hundreds are history already. That is how we know the rest will happen also

Edited January 22, 2023 by dad2

[dad2]

1 hour ago, WilliamL said:

I call it pure bunk, because it is based upon presumptions without scriptural evidence, only mere suppositions..

No idea what you are talking about. The times given in Rev are clear.

1 hour ago, WilliamL said:

Since you called "nonsense" based upon no evidence to back it up, you don't then have the right to claim my "details and results of your decades long quest" must be posted.

So all smoke no fire. OK. No surprises here.

1 hour ago, WilliamL said:

Read Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision; the Scientific American "Historical Eclipses," Oct. 1982, pp. 174-75; Julian Morgenstern's "The Three Calendars of Ancient Israel" and "The Gates of Righteousness," Hebrew Union College Annual 1924, pp. 13-28 and HUCA 1929 pp. 18-19, 32, 37; and Wacholder and Weisburg "Visibulity of the New Moon in Cuneiform and Rabbinic Sources," HUCA 1971, pp. 227-42; and "Temples," The Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, Scribner's, 1921: 12:242, 245; for a few starters. Then maybe we could discuss what you found, and we could hold an intelligent discussion.

Maybe if you retained something of those books you read you could offer a point or two. Instead, we see a spam reading list of more nonsense.

[truth7t7]

On 1/13/2023 at 3:26 PM, dad2 said:

The last week of Dan 9 is seven years and it is usually called the tribulation. The last part of that is given in months and days also so we know a time is not thousands of years.

Nonsense. Why make stuff up whole of cloth?

Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy "Future" Literal Weeks Explained?

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four Hundred Ninety Years)

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 6:1KJV

It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV

And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV

And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV

2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.

3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal "Future" weeks or 490 days.

When the "Future" call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period in preparing to build.

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the  armies surrounding Jerusalem, this stops the building.

The 70th literal week will see (The Antichrist) revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation starts at this time.

Daniel 9:24-27KJV

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Edited January 23, 2023 by truth7t7

[dad2]

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        Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy "Future" Literal Weeks Explained?

        Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

 

 

    So how does that work? Did Jesus come seven weeks after the ancient commandment?
    Daniel 9:25

    Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks

           

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   Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

        Daniel 6:1KJV

        It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

 

 
    Why would we assume some other number?

    "Verse Daniel 6:1. A hundred and twenty princes — A chief or satrap over every province which belonged to the Medo-Persian empire. Afterwards we find it enlarged to one hundred and twenty-seven provinces, by the victories of Cambyses and Darius Hystaspes"

    https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/acc/daniel-6.html#verse-1

    Even if some princes got to rule more than one province, so what? How would you know?

 

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   Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

    Daniel 10:2-3KJV

    2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.

    3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

 

 

You seem to claim that Daniel did not fast?

 

Edited January 23, 2023 by dad2

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, dad2 said:

 

    So how does that work? Did Jesus come seven weeks after the ancient commandment?
    Daniel 9:25

    Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks

           

 
    Why would we assume some other number?

    "Verse Daniel 6:1. A hundred and twenty princes — A chief or satrap over every province which belonged to the Medo-Persian empire. Afterwards we find it enlarged to one hundred and twenty-seven provinces, by the victories of Cambyses and Darius Hystaspes"

    https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/acc/daniel-6.html#verse-1

    Even if some princes got to rule more than one province, so what? How would you know?

 

 

You seem to claim that Daniel did not fast?

 

Your response doesn't represent my claims made

There will be a "Future" command to build in Jerusalem as my post clearly showed

If Daniel meant 490 years, he would have written (Four Hundred Ninety Years) he didn't, he wrote (Seventy Weeks)

Jesus Is The Lord

[dad2]

30 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Your response doesn't represent my claims made

There will be a "Future" command to build in Jerusalem as my post clearly showed

If Daniel meant 490 years, he would have written (Four Hundred Ninety Years) he didn't, he wrote (Seventy Weeks)

Jesus Is The Lord

I see. So Messiah gets cut off then?

[truth7t7]

50 minutes ago, dad2 said:

I see. So Messiah gets cut off then?

My original response answers your question, when armies surround a future Jerusalem, the building to Messiah is stopped/cut off

Edited January 23, 2023 by truth7t7

[dad2]

4 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

My original response answers your question, when armies surround a future Jerusalem, the building to Messiah is stopped/cut off

It says He is killed, not a building actually.

 

Daniel 9:26

 

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself kjv

 

Daniel 9:26

 

After the sixty-two ‘sevens,' the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing   niv

 

Daniel 9:26

 

Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing   nas

 

Daniel 9:26

 

At the end of the sixty-two weeks, the Chosen Leader will be killed and left with nothing  cev

 

Daniel 9:26

 

"After this period of sixty-two sets of seven, the Anointed One will be killed  nlt

 

 

etc etc etc

 

You made up the building thing.

 

 

 

 

 

[truth7t7]

7 minutes ago, dad2 said:

You made up the building thing.

Your claim is "False", the Jews will build in the "Future" unto their awaited upon (Messiah the Prince) as seen below, Messiah is cut off when armies surround Jerusalem and the building stops, its that simple

Daniel 9:25KJV

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.