Daniel 9:24-27: When?

[Diaste]

On 3/10/2023 at 7:09 AM, WilliamL said:

If you had only bothered to go to my cited blog link you would have seen the historical proof.

Since I know the historical proof is that of X Fretensis disobeying Titus, and Titus trying to preserve the Temple and the city, while the warring factions from within Jerusalem were already destroying the city and killing thousands; the cited evidence is incomplete.  

[WilliamL]

9 hours ago, Diaste said:

What I do not understand, and maybe this is the disconnect, is how Daniel 9:24-27 is 70 AD when an A of D occurred 169-167 BC; around 400 years after Daniel 9. Then Jesus prophecy at the Olivet Discourse is a coming A of D, but not 70 AD, future from 70 AD.

So Daniel 9:24-27 skips past 167 BC [the only A of D we know of] to 70 AD. Then the Olivet Discourse also skips 70 AD to some future time.

Daniel 8 covered the era of the 168 BC Abom. of D. In Dan. 9, Gabriel came back to reveal the next events, including the destruction of the Temple and city, neither of which took place under Antiochus. OR is prophesied to occur in the End Times.

9 hours ago, Diaste said:

it sure seems your Blog on this describes enough similarities to Dan 11:29-31 one would think Daniel 9:24-27 is the same as Dan 11:29-31, to wit:

Dan 11

"At the appointed time he will invade the South again, but this time will not be like the first. 30Ships of Kittimg will come against him, and he will lose heart. Then he will turn back and rage against the holy covenant and do damage. So he will return and show favor to those who forsake the holy covenant. 

This passage shows no agreement to the events of the Jewish War. Vespasian never showed any favor to those who forsook the covenant, that is, the rebel Zealots who murdered the legitimate priests of the Temple. Not did he rage against the holy covenant. Not did he ever lose heart. Not did ships of Kittim come against him: those were Roman ships!

[WilliamL]

9 hours ago, Diaste said:

According to Dan 9:27 the duration was 7 years. Submitting to Roman civil authority would survive as long as the empire stood. It's why the war began, rebelling against Roman civil authority. Maybe Vespasian did allow a 7 year term. Where is the evidence of that?

Military martial law lasted the 7 years of the Jewish War: 66-73AD. Civil law was restored immediately afterwards.

 

[Montana Marv]

What did Jesus say.  When you see standing in the holy place... Flee, do not go home. If you on the roof top, flee, If you are in the field, Flee.

In 70 AD, Jerusalem was surrounded.  No place to flee.  No one could be standing in the holy place until after the siege was completed.  And then they were sent into captivity.  No one was working in their field.  It was inhabited by Roman soldiers.

Yet now, they can be on their roof tops, they can be working in their fields.  Where do they flee;  Moab, Edom and Ammon, all East of the Jericho River.  Daniel 11:41

In Christ

Montana Marv

[WilliamL]

On 3/16/2023 at 10:14 PM, Montana Marv said:

What did Jesus say.  When you see standing in the holy place... Flee, do not go home. If you on the roof top, flee, If you are in the field, Flee.

In 70 AD, Jerusalem was surrounded.  No place to flee.  No one could be standing in the holy place until after the siege was completed. 

Jesus prophesied both about the destruction of Jerusalem and its Temple in the Jewish War, and also about the Abomination of Desolation of the End Times. Your reference above is to the latter prophecy. The former prophecy is found in Luke:

Luke 21:20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled."

 

Jesus also prophesied about this destruction of Jerusalem in Matthew 23:34-38, saying "Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation."

 

In the early part of the Jewish War, before Vespasian ever arrived, the Romans surrounded Jerusalem in 66 AD, but then withdrew. According to later Christian historians, at around this time the Jewish Church fled across the Jordan River to the region of Pella.

 

[Uriah]

On 3/20/2023 at 3:29 PM, WilliamL said:

Jesus prophesied both

Wasn't sure how this would turn out, for some reason this was a bit trickier than last time.

Edited March 22, 2023 by Uriah

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