Chosen to Salvation

[Michael37]

21 minutes ago, David1701 said:

vessels of wrath are made for this purpose,

Because their unresponsive hardness is foreknown and becomes irreversible in time, otherwise the false, pagan, demonic doctrine of fatalism would attend the permanently unsaved rather than the consequential righteous judgment of God.

[David1701]

2 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Because their unresponsive hardness is foreknown and becomes irreversible in time, otherwise the false, pagan, demonic doctrine of fatalism would attend the permanently unsaved rather than the consequential righteous judgment of God.

Everyone's unresponsive hardness is foreknown...

Everyone's unresponsive hardness is irreversible, unless God works a miracle and makes the person born again.

Fatalism is impersonal, unreasoning, unfeeling inevitability.  God's sovereignty in action, working all things according to the counsel of his own will, is very different; however, I'm used to such spurious caricatures.

The righteous judgment of God is based on the fact that sinners sin willingly.  No-one has to force a son of Adam to sin, it comes naturally and it comes certainly.  The amazing thing is that God has chosen to have mercy on some of us rebellious, hard-hearted sinners, rather than give us all what we deserve.

Salvation is of the Lord.  Those who are saved, are saved because God willed it to be so, for us, from before the foundation of the world.  We are saved by grace, through faith and that not of ourselves, so that no-one may boast.  We are saved through faith (i.e. that is the means through which God saves his chosen ones); we are not saved because of our faith.

[Michael37]

25 minutes ago, David1701 said:

Everyone's unresponsive hardness is foreknown...

Everyone's unresponsive hardness is irreversible, unless God works a miracle and makes the person born again.

Fatalism is impersonal, unreasoning, unfeeling inevitability.  God's sovereignty in action, working all things according to the counsel of his own will, is very different; however, I'm used to such spurious caricatures.

The righteous judgment of God is based on the fact that sinners sin willingly.  No-one has to force a son of Adam to sin, it comes naturally and it comes certainly.  The amazing thing is that God has chosen to have mercy on some of us rebellious, hard-hearted sinners, rather than give us all what we deserve.

Salvation is of the Lord.  Those who are saved, are saved because God willed it to be so, for us, from before the foundation of the world.  We are saved by grace, through faith and that not of ourselves, so that no-one may boast.  We are saved through faith (i.e. that is the means through which God saves his chosen ones); we are not saved because of our faith.

Anyone under God's Wrath is bound for destruction, until they are saved from it. If this were not so they would not need to be saved from it. 

 

[David1701]

10 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Anyone under God's Wrath is bound for destruction, until they are saved from it. If this were not so they would not need to be saved from it. 

 

Edit: The elect are not, at any time, bound for destruction.  Our lives certainly deserve destruction (in this we are the same as everyone else), but, the difference is that God has chosen, from the foundation of the world, to have mercy upon us.  He has predestined us for adoption as sons, to be holy and without blame before him in love.

If you deny the above, then you deny the very foundations of the gospel - that salvation is of the Lord, not of man's will or works; that salvation is all of grace, through faith (not because of faith); that Jesus laid down his life for his sheep (from Jews and Gentiles); that he laid down his life for his bride; that he prays for those whom God has given him, not the world in general; that he accomplished eternal redemption, for those for whom he died; that he propitiated the Father, on the cross, for those for whom he died; in short, that he accomplished what he came to do - to save his chosen people (from Jews and Gentiles) from their sins.

Edited January 18, 2023 by David1701
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[FreeGrace]

37 minutes ago, David1701 said:

Edit: The elect are not, at any time, bound for destruction.

In John 6:70,71 Jesus said that Judas was one of the 12 chosen, and yet he was also the "son of perditi0n".  He is now in Hades, awaiting the GWT judgment, where he will be cast into the LOF.